Where is the ACLU???

[ceo_pte]

Originally posted by vraiblonde
And you, sir, can quit listening to Barbra Streisand and hugging trees.

I really liked that one Vrai... keep cleaning your gun though, you may need it...

 

[jlabsher]

Originally posted by vraiblonde
And you, sir, can quit listening to Barbra Streisand and hugging trees.

no i'm burning the flag and SUVs don't you know nuthin?

That's because they are - duh. What do you want him to call them - freedom fighters?

Several were bonafide organizations which helped immigrants settle here, several were mosques, like the one in Calvert which I believe some on this board wanted to firebomb


That's a much better idea than what YOUR President wanted to do, which was tax the rest of us through the roof so we can provide a decent welfare check to criminals, deadbeats and lunatics.

huh, when, proof?

So what? Please explain to me why you think a homosexual group should be able to hold meetings on company time?

if the christians can why not the heathens?

Here's where your bigotry comes into play. The churches give money, food and help to all kinds of people - unwed mothers, former prostitutes, former drug addicts. They don't discriminate - if you need help, they'll give it to you. Several DC soup kitchens are run by area churches and they refuse you a meal if you're not "like them".

so if you're not like them you don't eat, sounds christian to me? I guess it is better if we use tax dollars that we give to churches to function the same as welfare than giving the money directly to the bums.

Shows what you know, which is NOTHING! HA!

But at least I am aware that I don't know everything.

 

[Christy]

Originally posted by jlabsher
Would the catholic church help pay for an abortion with that federal money?

No, but would planned parenthood pay my room and board, as well as medical bills if I opted for adoption? :shrug: Two totally different services being provided by two totally different organizations. One should not be given preferential treatment over the other.

 

[jlabsher]

Originally posted by Christy
No, but would planned parenthood pay my room and board, as well as medical bills if I opted for adoption? :shrug: Two totally different services being provided by two totally different organizations. One should not be given preferential treatment over the other.

I agree, but when the gubmint wants to give tax $ to catholic charity and not planned parenthood that sounds like preferential treatment.

 

[ylexot]

Actually, what NEITHER of you seem to know that the fed funding was for faith-based substance abuse rehab programs which statistics show are more effective. Well, that's what Bush said in the SOTU. I haven't seen the statistics, but I haven't heard anybody refuting them.

 

[Christy]

Originally posted by jlabsher
I agree, but when the gubmint wants to give tax $ to catholic charity and not planned parenthood that sounds like preferential treatment.

Is Planned Parenthood a charity or a for profit organization? If it were a charity, and it was getting shafted while a church was cashing in I'd have to agree with you. Well sort of. For the sake of this particular argument I am, but, I'm not really big on gov't funding charities in the first place (even churches). I'm more for giving me back more of my hard earned cash, so I could be the one who chooses which organization to fund. :shrug:

 

[vraiblonde]

Originally posted by jlabsher
so if you're not like them you don't eat, sounds christian to me?

Typo - I mean to say they DON'T refuse to feed you if you're not like them.

I agree, but when the gubmint wants to give tax $ to catholic charity and not planned parenthood that sounds like preferential treatment.

Planned Parenthood is a bullsh*t political organization, just like NOW and the NAACP. They're not there to help ANYONE or do anything except promote a leftist agenda and line their own pockets.

Don't believe me?
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/

Please tell me what "spoofing the White House website" and Rush Limbaugh have to do with helping young women make good reproductive choices? All they're interested in is getting women to have as many abortions as possible.

"The so-called Unborn Victims of Violence Act (UVVA) is not intended to protect pregnant women from domestic violence or punish individuals who harm them," said PPFA President Gloria Feldt. "It is part of a deceptive anti-choice strategy to make women's bodies mere vessels by creating legal personhood for the fetus."

I don't think even you, JLab, can make a decent comparison between churches helping the poor and PP aborting unborn children.

 

[vraiblonde]

Originally posted by Christy
Is Planned Parenthood a charity or a for profit organization?

Government Funding and Abortion Income Help Planned Parenthood Make a Killing, According to Organization's Annual Report

 

[vraiblonde]

Originally posted by vraiblonde
Government Funding and Abortion Income Help Planned Parenthood Make a Killing, According to Organization's Annual Report

Christy, make sure you take a few minutes to read the GAO report that's linked at the bottom of the page. You'll lose your mind.

 

[Christy]

Originally posted by vraiblonde
Government Funding and Abortion Income Help Planned Parenthood Make a Killing, According to Organization's Annual Report

With that said, I believe it's the churches that are getting the shaft. What say you jlab? :shrug:

 

[Christy]

Originally posted by vraiblonde
Christy, make sure you take a few minutes to read the GAO report that's linked at the bottom of the page. You'll lose your mind.

$161 million just in 2001. Absofugginlutely ridiculous.

 

[vraiblonde]

Here's another kicker for ya - PP wants you to donate your stocks to them:

http://member.plannedparenthood.org/site/PageServer?pagename=stock_giving

 

[jlabsher]

I scanned the report.

1. $161 M is chump change, DOD spends that every day.

2. A large amount of the money - $60M came from medicare

3. Planned parenthood does more than abortions, they provide contraceptives, HIV testing, education & treatment, well-baby care, cancer screening, etc.

4. PP provided health care to 2.7 million people and education to 1.5 million

5. Of that money, none went to the administrative HQ. Looks like the right to life website was screaming wolf.

All that said, I tried to look at PP website to see if they offer alternatives to abortion (like they say they do) and the website is blocked here at a gov't agency - go figure?!

Of course I don't know the tax status of that agency, the churches and their property are not taxed.

 

[Ken King]

Originally posted by ylexot
Actually, what NEITHER of you seem to know that the fed funding was for faith-based substance abuse rehab programs which statistics show are more effective.

Yeah, that is one of the areas the Faith-Based and Community Initiative program. Here is the target audiance of the aid.

• At-risk youth
• Ex-offenders
• Homeless and hungry
• Substance abusers
• Those with HIV/AIDS
• Welfare-to-work families

I think the program makes perfect sense. These organizations that are now able to get grants are the same ones that we, the people, give money to already. They are the ones we trust to help those like what you would find on the list above.

I think the government should oversee instead of doing the process and get the help out to the front lines where the actual doing gets done.

It was one of the most liberal things Bush has done and the liberals are b!tching about that.

 

[Hessian]

I don't have the time now but I believe that faith based programs for errant teens (camps...homes...etc) has a MUCH better rate at turning around lives than a government institution. Ball park: 80% success vs 15%.

What we need to do is cut all Govt aid to these organizations so that everybody has an equal opportunity to screw up again.(Jlab?)
Seperation is Best for all of us isn't it?