Whiny Kids Grow Up to be Conservatives

El_Kabong

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Remember the whiny, insecure kid in nursery school, the one who always thought everyone was out to get him, and was always running to the teacher with complaints? Chances are he grew up to be a conservative.

At least, he did if he was one of 95 kids from the Berkeley area that social scientists have been tracking for the last 20 years. The confident, resilient, self-reliant kids mostly grew up to be liberals.

The study from the Journal of Research Into Personality isn't going to make the UC Berkeley professor who published it any friends on the right. Similar conclusions a few years ago from another academic saw him excoriated on right-wing blogs, and even led to a Congressional investigation into his research funding.

But the new results are worth a look. In the 1960s Jack Block and his wife and fellow professor Jeanne Block (now deceased) began tracking more than 100 nursery school kids as part of a general study of personality. The kids' personalities were rated at the time by teachers and assistants who had known them for months. There's no reason to think political bias skewed the ratings — the investigators were not looking at political orientation back then. Even if they had been, it's unlikely that 3- and 4-year-olds would have had much idea about their political leanings.

A few decades later, Block followed up with more surveys, looking again at personality, and this time at politics, too. The whiny kids tended to grow up conservative, and turned into rigid young adults who hewed closely to traditional gender roles and were uncomfortable with ambiguity.

The confident kids turned out liberal and were still hanging loose, turning into bright, non-conforming adults with wide interests. The girls were still outgoing, but the young men tended to turn a little introspective.

Block admits in his paper that liberal Berkeley is not representative of the whole country. But within his sample, he says, the results hold. He reasons that insecure kids look for the reassurance provided by tradition and authority, and find it in conservative politics. The more confident kids are eager to explore alternatives to the way things are, and find liberal politics more congenial.

In a society that values self-confidence and out-goingness, it's a mostly flattering picture for liberals. It also runs contrary to the American stereotype of wimpy liberals and strong conservatives.

Of course, if you're studying the psychology of politics, you shouldn't be surprised to get a political reaction. Similar work by John T. Jost of Stanford and colleagues in 2003 drew a political backlash. The researchers reviewed 44 years worth of studies into the psychology of conservatism, and concluded that people who are dogmatic, fearful, intolerant of ambiguity and uncertainty, and who crave order and structure are more likely to gravitate to conservatism. Critics branded it the "conservatives are crazy" study and accused the authors of a political bias.

Jost welcomed the new study, saying it lends support to his conclusions. But Jeff Greenberg, a social psychologist at the University of Arizona who was critical of Jost's study, was less impressed.

"I found it to be biased, shoddy work, poor science at best," he said of the Block study. He thinks insecure, defensive, rigid people can as easily gravitate to left-wing ideologies as right-wing ones. He suspects that in Communist China, those kinds of people would likely become fervid party members.

The results do raise some obvious questions. Are nursery school teachers in the conservative heartland cursed with classes filled with little proto-conservative whiners?

Or does an insecure little boy raised in Idaho or Alberta surrounded by conservatives turn instead to liberalism?

Or do the whiny kids grow up conservative along with the majority of their more confident peers, while only the kids with poor impulse control turn liberal?

Part of the answer is that personality is not the only factor that determines political leanings. For instance, there was a .27 correlation between being self-reliant in nursery school and being a liberal as an adult. Another way of saying it is that self-reliance predicts statistically about 7 per cent of the variance between kids who became liberal and those who became conservative. (If every self-reliant kid became a liberal and none became conservatives, it would predict 100 per cent of the variance). Seven per cent is fairly strong for social science, but it still leaves an awful lot of room for other influences, such as friends, family, education, personal experience and plain old intellect.

For conservatives whose feelings are still hurt, there is a more flattering way for them to look at the results. Even if they really did tend to be insecure complainers as kids, they might simply have recognized that the world is a scary, unfair place.

Their grown-up conclusion that the safest thing is to stick to tradition could well be the right one. As for their "rigidity," maybe that's just moral certainty.

The grown-up liberal men, on the other hand, with their introspection and recognition of complexity in the world, could be seen as self-indulgent and ineffectual.

Whether anyone's feelings are hurt or not, the work suggests that personality and emotions play a bigger role in our political leanings than we think. All of us, liberal or conservative, feel as though we've reached our political opinions by carefully weighing the evidence and exercising our best judgment. But it could be that all of that careful reasoning is just after-the-fact self-justification. What if personality forms our political outlook, with reason coming along behind, rationalizing after the fact?

It could be that whom we vote for has less to do with our judgments about tax policy or free trade or health care, and more with the personalities we've been stuck with since we were kids.

Kurt Kleiner is a Toronto-based freelance science writer
 

backagain39

New Member
Remember the whiny, insecure kid in nursery school, the one who always thought everyone was out to get him, and was always running to the teacher with complaints? Chances are he grew up to be a conservative.

At least, he did if he was one of 95 kids from the Berkeley area that social scientists have been tracking for the last 20 years. The confident, resilient, self-reliant kids mostly grew up to be liberals.

The study from the Journal of Research Into Personality isn't going to make the UC Berkeley professor who published it any friends on the right. Similar conclusions a few years ago from another academic saw him excoriated on right-wing blogs, and even led to a Congressional investigation into his research funding.

But the new results are worth a look. In the 1960s Jack Block and his wife and fellow professor Jeanne Block (now deceased) began tracking more than 100 nursery school kids as part of a general study of personality. The kids' personalities were rated at the time by teachers and assistants who had known them for months. There's no reason to think political bias skewed the ratings — the investigators were not looking at political orientation back then. Even if they had been, it's unlikely that 3- and 4-year-olds would have had much idea about their political leanings.

A few decades later, Block followed up with more surveys, looking again at personality, and this time at politics, too. The whiny kids tended to grow up conservative, and turned into rigid young adults who hewed closely to traditional gender roles and were uncomfortable with ambiguity.

The confident kids turned out liberal and were still hanging loose, turning into bright, non-conforming adults with wide interests. The girls were still outgoing, but the young men tended to turn a little introspective.

Block admits in his paper that liberal Berkeley is not representative of the whole country. But within his sample, he says, the results hold. He reasons that insecure kids look for the reassurance provided by tradition and authority, and find it in conservative politics. The more confident kids are eager to explore alternatives to the way things are, and find liberal politics more congenial.

In a society that values self-confidence and out-goingness, it's a mostly flattering picture for liberals. It also runs contrary to the American stereotype of wimpy liberals and strong conservatives.

Of course, if you're studying the psychology of politics, you shouldn't be surprised to get a political reaction. Similar work by John T. Jost of Stanford and colleagues in 2003 drew a political backlash. The researchers reviewed 44 years worth of studies into the psychology of conservatism, and concluded that people who are dogmatic, fearful, intolerant of ambiguity and uncertainty, and who crave order and structure are more likely to gravitate to conservatism. Critics branded it the "conservatives are crazy" study and accused the authors of a political bias.

Jost welcomed the new study, saying it lends support to his conclusions. But Jeff Greenberg, a social psychologist at the University of Arizona who was critical of Jost's study, was less impressed.

"I found it to be biased, shoddy work, poor science at best," he said of the Block study. He thinks insecure, defensive, rigid people can as easily gravitate to left-wing ideologies as right-wing ones. He suspects that in Communist China, those kinds of people would likely become fervid party members.

The results do raise some obvious questions. Are nursery school teachers in the conservative heartland cursed with classes filled with little proto-conservative whiners?

Or does an insecure little boy raised in Idaho or Alberta surrounded by conservatives turn instead to liberalism?

Or do the whiny kids grow up conservative along with the majority of their more confident peers, while only the kids with poor impulse control turn liberal?

Part of the answer is that personality is not the only factor that determines political leanings. For instance, there was a .27 correlation between being self-reliant in nursery school and being a liberal as an adult. Another way of saying it is that self-reliance predicts statistically about 7 per cent of the variance between kids who became liberal and those who became conservative. (If every self-reliant kid became a liberal and none became conservatives, it would predict 100 per cent of the variance). Seven per cent is fairly strong for social science, but it still leaves an awful lot of room for other influences, such as friends, family, education, personal experience and plain old intellect.

For conservatives whose feelings are still hurt, there is a more flattering way for them to look at the results. Even if they really did tend to be insecure complainers as kids, they might simply have recognized that the world is a scary, unfair place.

Their grown-up conclusion that the safest thing is to stick to tradition could well be the right one. As for their "rigidity," maybe that's just moral certainty.

The grown-up liberal men, on the other hand, with their introspection and recognition of complexity in the world, could be seen as self-indulgent and ineffectual.
Whether anyone's feelings are hurt or not, the work suggests that personality and emotions play a bigger role in our political leanings than we think. All of us, liberal or conservative, feel as though we've reached our political opinions by carefully weighing the evidence and exercising our best judgment. But it could be that all of that careful reasoning is just after-the-fact self-justification. What if personality forms our political outlook, with reason coming along behind, rationalizing after the fact?

It could be that whom we vote for has less to do with our judgments about tax policy or free trade or health care, and more with the personalities we've been stuck with since we were kids.

Kurt Kleiner is a Toronto-based freelance science writer


Ineffectual (Synonyms) - helpless, impotent, inadequate, incapable, powerless, weak

So the liberal men turned out to be the helpless, impotent, inadequate, incapable, powerless, weak weirdos correct?.........:evil:
Actually this explains alot...................
 

El_Kabong

New Member
Ineffectual (Synonyms) - helpless, impotent, inadequate, incapable, powerless, weak

So the liberal men turned out to be the helpless, impotent, inadequate, incapable, powerless, weak weirdos correct?.........

I kind of think we're doing pretty well right now.
 

blazinlow89

Big Poppa
Ineffectual (Synonyms) - helpless, impotent, inadequate, incapable, powerless, weak

I kind of think we're doing pretty well right now.

Dont worry daddy Osama will take good care of you, give you a place to live, clothes, food and all the cocaine you can snort only catch is you have to have ten kids and be lazier than ####.

On a side note you new package enzyte has arrived, and viagra will be in shortly.
 
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AK-74me

"Typical White Person"
What did that dude do a study in bizzaro world? Everything he says is just about opposite of reality. Not surprising coming from Berkley though.
 

SamSpade

Well-Known Member
PREMO Member
This is absurd. This is Berkeley for Pete's sake. Growing up conservative in Berkeley is like growing up gay in the Middle East. I can't think of an envrionment more likely to skew the "results".
 

:yeahthat:

The confident, resilient, self-reliant kids mostly grew up to be liberals.

Not even the most ardent liberal is oblivious enough to believe this notion. I was the most confident, resilient, self-reliant kid in school and I espouse the most fiscally conservative ideology of anyone I know. Almost all of the people I went to school with would serve to refute this notion also.

Essentially what that sentence says is:

"The kids that are x, mostly grow up to be y.";

where x and y are the exact opposite of one another.

Being confident, resilient and self-reliant would almost certainly make you unwelcome among most liberals.
 

cwo_ghwebb

No Use for Donk Twits
The post makes sense to Zorro. If you consider he's stated that "The information is the Heritage letter is designed to provoke conservative emotion and lacks credence. Ambiguous statisics prove nothing.", he'd rather believe a 'study' from Berkeley.

As a conservative who was a liberal whacked across the head by reality, I know folks change.
 

Baja28

Obama destroyed America
Block admits in his paper that liberal Berkeley is not representative of the whole country.
Gee, ya think?? :duh:


Whiny Kids Grow Up to be Conservatives. Unlike democrats who never grow up hence their need for the republicans and government to take care of them.
 

El_Kabong

New Member
The post makes sense to Zorro. If you consider he's stated that "The information is the Heritage letter is designed to provoke conservative emotion and lacks credence. Ambiguous statisics prove nothing.", he'd rather believe a 'study' from Berkeley.

As a conservative who was a liberal whacked across the head by reality, I know folks change.


I never said I believed it or not...
Maybe I posted the study just to watch the inevitable parade of pompous, posturing purveyors of platitudes as they flail and howl.

(I've noticed, nobody has provided any information to refute the study. Using neocon logic, that must make it true.)
 

El_Kabong

New Member
Ah, another annoyingboytoy troll!

How is my post any different than those calling Obama a socialist or a Muslim or a terrorist?
It appears conservatives can dish it out but whine when they're on the wrong end of the stick.
If you don't agree with the study, refute it with your experts.
 

Baja28

Obama destroyed America
How is my post any different than those calling Obama a socialist or a Muslim or a terrorist?
It appears conservatives can dish it out but whine when they're on the wrong end of the stick.
If you don't agree with the study, refute it with your experts.

Why waste time on a left wing kook who studies nothing useful to the planet El Kaboob?? :smack:
 

SamSpade

Well-Known Member
PREMO Member
(I've noticed, nobody has provided any information to refute the study.

Why bother? This is about as unscientific a study as I can imagine, completely subjective, and admittedly in an environment that would skew the results substantially.

Second, the study wasn't even begun to study that - so it's flawed to begin with. You don't make scientific conclusions about an experiment that is nothing more than after the fact conclusions. That's not science. It's exactly this kind of thinking that scientific method finally did away with.

Third, this thing is old. I read this thing over two years ago. It was dumb then, too.

Fourth, does anyone think you can measure "whininess"? How do you quantify your results? Is there anything besides sheer conjecture? Was any data collected through the years? I could just as well amass a pile of decades old data *specifically* about leading Democrats and find a thread of some negative commonality - but it's meaningless.

Lastly, the premise itself is ridiculous. You might as well try to tie preference for sports teams by hair color. Why bother to try to refute it? It doesn't merit scrutiny. People do not "grow up" conservative, and it's not genetic. If it were, people could never change their minds.

Using neocon logic, that must make it true.)

I don't get this. Lack of data is classic conspiracy rationale. You have strongly biased conjecture, followed by speculation based on a LACK of data.

Plus I don't see how it falls as a "neocon" area. Neo-cons are a very specific kind of conservatism, even if it's commonly misapplied as a pejorative for the current administration by mouth-breathers who just regurgitate what others tell them.

Finally, if you really just intend to be a bomb-throwing troll, there really isn't any reason to take anything you say seriously, no matter how well you cut and paste.
 

Baja28

Obama destroyed America
If you don't agree with the study, refute it with your experts.
Ok, I refute it. I just called up a bunch of people and they all said liberals are low income, ignorant, imbeciles who want/need the goobermint to take care of them.

There ya have it. Now if you need me, I'll be on Wiki authenticating the findings of my study.

Oh, they also said Obammy is a hybrid. :tommyjones: :baby:

Gawd yall are dummies. :killingme
 

Highlander

ONE NATION UNDER GOD
I never said I believed it or not...
Maybe I posted the study just to watch the inevitable parade of pompous, posturing purveyors of platitudes as they flail and howl.

(I've noticed, nobody has provided any information to refute the study. Using neocon logic, that must make it true.)

What the he11 is wrong with you?
 

El_Kabong

New Member
Finally, if you really just intend to be a bomb-throwing troll, there really isn't any reason to take anything you say seriously, no matter how well you cut and paste.

This from the political faction that quotes Jerome Corsi, Anne Coulter, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Michelle Malkin, etc.
 
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