Why all the fluff?

[Zguy28]

I agree with Radiant1 that it is indeed a meat/milk thing. The preaching of the gospel and prayer in churches is what's most important. Singing is important as well, and how that is done is really a preference, not a doctrinal matter, unless it is against the Scripture.

 

[onel0126]

Interesting. Are you referring to a similarity to the catholic liturgical calender? Do you have any links as examples?

Yes, the most glaring of course is the fact that YOU celebrate Easter EVERY YEAR when the RCC says so!

 

[b23hqb]

Yes, the most glaring of course is the fact that YOU celebrate Easter EVERY YEAR when the RCC says so!

Really presumptuous of you, onel. I believe we both celebrate Easter based on the Sunday after the Paschal full moon, and based on various algorithms developed since 1582, or somewhere in that time frame, to accurately determine the date.

If we both agree on that data, and you want to say it is because the rcc says so based on the Council of Nicaea that essentially set up your church, go for it.

 

[Vince]

Many Protestants like to point out all of the "extras" that Catholics use in our worship. People on this very board have even pointed out candles as being a silly and unnecessary part of the Mass. I have posted a video on here before of a letter from Justin the martyr to the roman ruler in 155ad describing the way the apostles of the apostles worshiped. Basically, the Catholic Mass today.

I have noticed a trend of late among large Protestant churches in SoMD like New Life in LaPlata and Chesapeake Church in Huntingtown. In addition to full on theatrical lights and praise and worship bands the new trend is skits. Mini plays if you will to modernize scriptural events. Why are these necessary? Do we really need to modernize scripture into a modern context? To me it says that the word itself is not good enough or the people listening are not intelligent enough to grasp what is being spoken.

I have met many P&W musicians and aspiring church actors. Most all are self-absorbed individuals that wear their religion on their sleeves.

If you aren't Catholic and don't attend Catholic Mass, why would you care.

 

[onel0126]

Really presumptuous of you, onel. I believe we both celebrate Easter based on the Sunday after the Paschal full moon, and based on various algorithms developed since 1582, or somewhere in that time frame, to accurately determine the date. If we both agree on that data, and you want to say it is because the rcc says so based on the Council of Nicaea that essentially set up your church, go for it.

Presumptuous? Between the CON and the calendar used it is not presumptuous at all. It is indeed an undeniable fact. While we are at it, remind me again who set up your church and when?

 

[onel0126]

If you aren't Catholic and don't attend Catholic Mass, why would you care.

I am Catholic and a daily communicant.

 

[Radiant1]

Interesting. Are you referring to a similarity to the catholic liturgical calender? Do you have any links as examples?

Yes. No, I don't have links. What I have seen are church signs/billboards advertising things I previously had not seen on your more typical non-denominational-type churches such as Advent, Epiphany, Ash Wednesday, Lent, Holy Week, and Pentecost. Good on 'em!

 

[b23hqb]

I am Catholic and a daily communicant.

Now, now. Don't be a self-absorbed individual that wears your religion on your sleeve like you accuse those "P&W musicians and aspiring church actors" of doing in your previous statement.

Don't be so touchy, either. I did not disagree with you on the origination of determining the date of Easter. It generally coincides nicely with the calculations of the passover, for the most part, along with predictable astronomical observations. There are sects of your church that do not follow your pattern, and set Easter according to their timetable, so there is debate on who sets the proper date.

My church formed on the bedrock of Jesus' work on the cross, and built upon by the Acts of the Apostles in starting the local churches around the Med. The pattern they laid down, according to their observations and learnings from Jesus himself, is the Biblical pattern we follow today.

 

[onel0126]

Now, now. Don't be a self-absorbed individual that wears your religion on your sleeve like you accuse those "P&W musicians and aspiring church actors" of doing in your previous statement.

Touchy? He asked if I was Catholic and if I attended Mass. I answered him.

 

[onel0126]

There are sects of your church that do not follow your pattern, and set Easter according to their timetable, so there is debate on who sets the proper date.

There are no sects in Catholicism; there are rites. Sects or cults carry negative connotations within religion.

 

[Vince]

I am Catholic and a daily communicant.

And all the so called "fluff" bothers you? I never actually gave it a second thought. :shrug:

 

[onel0126]

My church formed on the bedrock of Jesus' work on the cross, and built upon by the Acts of the Apostles in starting the local churches around the Med. The pattern they laid down, according to their observations and learnings from Jesus himself, is the Biblical pattern we follow today.

I will again have to find your "assembly's" web page again since you would not afford me that request the other day. But if I remember correctly the worship didn't seem to gel with what is written in the Didache or some of Justin's description of early worship in the late first and early second centuries.

 

[onel0126]

And all the so called "fluff" bothers you? I never actually gave it a second thought. :shrug:

Not in the Catholic Mass. I was referring to others' observations about the Mass.

Compare this with broadway style productions and other silliness that is found in a lot of non-liturgical Protestant services.

 

[Zguy28]

I will again have to find your "assembly's" web page again since you would not afford me that request the other day. But if I remember correctly the worship didn't seem to gel with what is written in the Didache or some of Justin's description of early worship in the late first and early second centuries.

Are the writings of Justin Martyr and the Didache canon?

 

[onel0126]

Are the writings of Justin Martyr and the Didache canon?

Rhetorical question much? I know you know it's not canon. Its simple math really.....2000 years of tradition > 500 years of Protesting. I really can't understand the complete ignoring of the ECF's or apostles of the apostles of the apostles.....

 

[onel0126]

Are the writings of Justin Martyr and the Didache canon?

Actually, now that I think about it some parts are. Certainly transubstantiation is Canon!

 

[b23hqb]

There are no sects in Catholicism; there are rites. Sects or cults carry negative connotations within religion.

Not really, but I guess catholics get to set definitions now? And define what a word completely means? Or just a good catholic like you? I'll agree with your standing on "cults", but not sects. Religions have many sectors within themselves, and only a few of them can, or should, be considered heretical, and those only that deviate from or disregard Biblical theology

So is the Eastern Orthodox sect of catholicism heretical because they do not agree with the date of Easter, the use of icons, or the nature of the Holy Spirit? They are a sector of your church that left in the 1000's because of those differences, along with politics and culture. You're going to call about 225 million or so catholics heretics?

You're taking just a small part of a meaning of a word and making the entire word your definition.

Just sayin'.

 

[onel0126]

Not really, but I guess catholics get to set definitions now? And define what a word completely means? Or just a good catholic like you? I'll agree with your standing on "cults", but not sects. Religions have many sectors within themselves, and only a few of them can, or should, be considered heretical, and those only that deviate from or disregard Biblical theology So is the Eastern Orthodox sect of catholicism heretical because they do not agree with the date of Easter, the use of icons, or the nature of the Holy Spirit? They are a sector of your church that left in the 1000's because of those differences, along with politics and culture. You're going to call about 225 million or so catholics heretics? You're taking just a small part of a meaning of a word and making the entire word your definition. Just sayin'.

I truly was just trying to educate you, really, no malice intended. The Eastern Rites of the CC are in communion with Rome. Not to be be confused with the Orthodox churches of the East however. The Eastern Rites retain their liturgies just like the newly created Anglican Ordinate with their liturgy and their priests being able to be married within the RCC.

 

[b23hqb]

I truly was just trying to educate you, really, no malice intended. The Eastern Rites of the CC are in communion with Rome. Not to be be confused with the Orthodox churches of the East however. The Eastern Rites retain their liturgies just like the newly created Anglican Ordinate with their liturgy and their priests being able to be married within the RCC.

OK. But what about my point - the Eastern Orthodox sect(or) of about 225 million. Are they all heretics by your definition?

 

[onel0126]

OK. But what about my point - the Eastern Orthodox sect(or) of about 225 million. Are they all heretics by your definition?

To be honest, I don't throw around the word heretic often. I'll take Francis' lead and simply say who am into judge. As far as the orthodox not in communion with Rome--small things separate us--Filioque, etc. Pope Francis sure is trying his best, the best in hundreds of years to bring peace. I'm optimistic!