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Chinese Man Marries Himself

Among the many reasons a 39-year-old Chinese man cited for marrying himself was his dissatisfaction with reality.

On the first of January of this year, Liu Ye married a life-sized cutout photo of himself wearing a red bridal gown. The wedding took place in the square of Guanzhou Village before friends and bewildered local villagers.
This was no quickie city hall or Vegas chapel wedding. All procedures of an ancient Chinese wedding were honored, including the bride kowtowing to heaven and earth, to ancestors and to the elderly aged 90 and over. Bride and groom made the traditional rounds of toasting guests during the banquet.


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Woman Marries the Eiffel Tower, Another a Bridge

The title was no lie. Erika (surname: La Tour Eiffel) had married the Parisian landmark the previous year. Revisiting the girders where the ceremony took place, clutching her wedding veil, she gyrated against the structure. She could feel the cold of the Tower meeting the warmth of her body to produce an “equilibrium”. But if object-love really was like human love, then Erika was putting it about a bit, because she was also having a torrid time with the Golden Gate Bridge and the Berlin Wall, fragments of which she called “my boys”; the Eiffel Tower she called “she” – maybe she is a bisexual objectum sexual.

Married to the Eiffel Tower: Strangelove; Location, Location, Location - Times Online
 
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Last But Not Least

Can it get any weirder? Anyone in favor of going back to marriage is between a man and a woman as a picture of how Christ loves his Church?

Ten weirdest marriages » Seduction Labs

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The Dude

The Dude

You mean coitus?
So the point for all this is???

Posting a bunch of news articles that reference people who are off their rocker doesn't say anything about your thread subject.

Considering what you wrote in the last post, I'm guessing you are against same sex marriage, but yet none of the articles you post have anything to do with that.

Just FYI....same sex marriage does not equal marrying goats and cutouts of oneself.
 
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The Dude said:
So the point for all this is???

Posting a bunch of news articles that reference people who are off their rocker doesn't say anything about your thread subject.

Considering what you wrote in the last post, I'm guessing you are against same sex marriage, but yet none of the articles you post have anything to do with that.

Just FYI....same sex marriage does not equal marrying goats and cutouts of oneself.
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The point was when marriage is not between a man a woman, this is the crazy stuff you get. The scared becomes nothing more than a contract. you can marry yourself the neighbors goat, your mother, your brother.

An Evangelist Mark Spence made a joke about this, stop the hate don't discriminate where it went from a same sex couple to four people wanting to marry each other. It looks like its almost come to that.
I am not shocked at the depravity of man, but how quickly this has turned into a reality.
San Francisco Logic




San Francisco Logic
(A scene at City Hall in San Francisco)
-by Joseph M. Sweeney

"Next."
Good morning. We want to apply for a marriage license."
"Names?"
"Tim and Jim Jones."
"Jones? Are you related? I see a resemblance."
"Yes, we're brothers."
"Brothers? You can't get married."
"Why not? Aren't you giving marriage licenses to same gender couples?"
"Yes, thousands. But we haven't had any siblings. That's incest!"
"Incest?" No, we are not gay."
"Not gay? Then why do you want to get married?"
"For the financial benefits, of course. And we do love each other. Besides, we don't have any other prospects."
"But we're issuing marriage licenses to gay and lesbian couples who've been denied equal protection under the law. If you are not gay, you can get married to a woman."
"Wait a minute. A gay man has the same right to marry a woman as I have. But just because I'm straight doesn't mean I want to marry a woman. I want to marry Jim." "And I want to marry Tim, Are you going to discriminate against us just because we are not gay?"
"All right, all right. I'll give you your license. Next."


"Hi. We are here to get married."
"Names?"
"John Smith, Jane James, Robert Green, and June Johnson."
"Who wants to marry whom?"
"We all want to marry each other."
"But there are four of you!"
"That's right. You see, we're all bisexual. I love Jane and Robert, Jane loves me and June, June loves Robert and Jane, and Robert loves June and me. All of us getting married together is the only way that we can express our sexual preferences in a marital relationship."
"But we've only been granting licenses to gay and lesbian couples."
"So you're discriminating against bisexuals!"
"No, it's just that, well, the traditional idea of marriage is that it's just for couples."
"Since when are you standing on tradition?"
"Well, I mean, you have to draw the line somewhere."
"Who says? There's no logical reason to limit marriage to couples. The more the better. Besides, we demand our rights! The mayor says the constitution guarantees equal protection under the law. Give us a marriage license!"
"All right, all right. Next."


"Hello, I'd like a marriage license."
"In what names?"
"David Deets."
"And the other man?"
"That's all. I want to marry myself."
"Marry yourself? What do you mean?"
"Well, my psychiatrist says I have a dual personality, so I want to marry the two together. Maybe I can file a joint income-tax return."
"That does it! I quit!! You people are making a mockery of marriage!!"
 
BuddyLee

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Well, marriage IS a contract.

If you want all that religious stuff, get married in a church.

If you're not into that, the government should have little say on what person you marry so long as it's a person.
 
Larry Gude

Larry Gude

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The Dude said:
So the point for all this is???

Posting a bunch of news articles that reference people who are off their rocker doesn't say anything about your thread subject.
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Exactly. Why even compare traditional marriage to these kooks?

It seems to me that proponents of traditional marriage would better serve their interests promoting the positives of traditional marriage and working to support and make that better rather than, in effect, say:

"See? Traditional marriage is better than marrying your goat!"

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vraiblonde

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Marie said:
The point was when marriage is not between a man a woman, this is the crazy stuff you get.
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None of those stories have anything to do with same-sex marriage, nor are they from the US, nor did they happen after states started to recognize SSM.

Marriage has already been made a mockery of, and the "sanctity" is a joke. That's been going on for at least a generation, long before gays thought they might like to marry their partners. And why do you care, anyway? If someone wants to marry a building in France, how does that affect you or even have anything to do with you?
 
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vraiblonde said:
None of those stories have anything to do with same-sex marriage, nor are they from the US, nor did they happen after states started to recognize SSM.

Marriage has already been made a mockery of, and the "sanctity" is a joke. That's been going on for at least a generation, long before gays thought they might like to marry their partners. And why do you care, anyway? If someone wants to marry a building in France, how does that affect you or even have anything to do with you?
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:yeahthat:

People like Marie will consistently rally against the government controlling their lives...until gay marriage comes up. Then, the government becomes a tool which they can use to control the lives of others.

I love the "well if gays can get married, where does it stop?" argument. Maybe we should just ban marriage altogether, because honestly, where does it stop? No sex either...if people can have sex together, they might decide to have sex in groups or with others of the same sex....where does it stop?

The slippery slope argument is retarded and could literally be applied to any other situation in which human beings interact with one another. Not to mention...ultimately...if the actions of others in no way limit your freedoms, it is <b>none of your business!</b>
 
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MMDad

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BuddyLee said:
Well, marriage IS a contract.

If you want all that religious stuff, get married in a church.

If you're not into that, the government should have little say on what person you marry so long as it's a person.
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:yay: If he/she/it can consent, the Govenrment should get the eff out of it!

As for the "people might marry a goat!" Do goats have a legal abiltiy to consent? Do children? Do abused women? Of course not. But people like Marie decry the Governments infringement on their "rights" but want the Government to enforce their morality.

The last people that I want legislating morality are preverts like Barney Frank or slimy shysters like Steny Hoyer, and the last people I want enforcing morality are biased ideologues like Obama and Eric Holder.

Let's get rid of any government incentives (taxes, etc.) and let people enter into contracts on their own, either through filing a simple form at the courthouse or getting a lawyer to do it. That would allow next of kin, dependent, probate decisions, as well as having something to base divorce decisions on.

The religious ceremony of marriage and the civil commitment contracts should not be mixed up or confused. What I sign on a piece of paper has no impact on my promise before God, so I do not need the Government to enforce that promise for me.
 
This_person

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vraiblonde said:
None of those stories have anything to do with same-sex marriage, nor are they from the US, nor did they happen after states started to recognize SSM.
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True, and a valid point.
Marriage has already been made a mockery of, and the "sanctity" is a joke. That's been going on for at least a generation, long before gays thought they might like to marry their partners.
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Well, I suspect homosexuals wanted to marry long before the sanctity of actual marriage became a joke, but....

Why did it become a joke? What changes in society allowed it to become a joke? In my opinion, it became a joke when divorce laws were so weakened as to make the legal effect of marriage a joke. Thus, by legislation, the government helped mold society into a view of marriage which was far weaker than it had ever been (about 35 years or so ago {or, in your words, "at least a generation"}).

And why do you care, anyway?
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Answered above - if, by legislation, the view society holds of marriage can (and arguably has) changed, then a further dilution of what constitutes marriage would further weaken that view, until such time as the societal view of marriage begins to slip beyond being saved.
If someone wants to marry a building in France, how does that affect you or even have anything to do with you?
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For most of us, it doesn't. How does a woman getting raped in MN affect you or even have anything to do with you? So, why are there rape laws?

How does a Senator from California taking bribes have anything to do with you - you can't vote in California? So, why is bribery and/or extortion illegal?

How does a driver driving drunk on a road you never travel on affect you or have anything to do with you? So, why is driving drunk illegal?

Each of those questions is as logical and has as much point as your question.
 
This_person

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BuddyLee said:
Well, marriage IS a contract.

If you want all that religious stuff, get married in a church.

If you're not into that, the government should have little say on what person you marry so long as it's a person.
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So, what you're saying is that if two people of the same gender want to marry, they already have that ability in whatever version of their church they choose?

Good point.

And, since every single other thing that marriage offers (except the federal tax status) is available by choice and action on the part of those two (or more) individuals, then there's nothing being denied (except the federal tax status) by having the government recognize the marriage?!

All of this is just over tax status?

No, probably not. It probably has more social implications, which is what I personally am against by redefining marriage this way. I have no issue at all providing a civil union, and thus the applicable tax status, personally.
 
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vraiblonde said:
None of those stories have anything to do with same-sex marriage, nor are they from the US, nor did they happen after states started to recognize SSM.

Marriage has already been made a mockery of, and the "sanctity" is a joke. That's been going on for at least a generation, long before gays thought they might like to marry their partners. And why do you care, anyway? If someone wants to marry a building in France, how does that affect you or even have anything to do with you?
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Because marriage is a picture of how Christ loves his church, If its not theologically accurate, then its not marriage. In a real marriage the world looks at how a man loves his wife, and how he honors and protects her and it gets a glimpse of how Christ treats his bride, the church.

Marriage is a covenant between a man and a woman under God and before the eyes of man. There is theology there. God never broke His covenant relationship with his people. When we pervert marriage we pervert that picture of God and His character and nature.

You cant become one flesh or have children with someone of the same sex. It perverts the Biblical pattern of life.

Marriage is an institution of the church and not the state, and its disgusting that we allowed the state to exceed its design and purpose and get involved in areas that it has no say in, like marriage and education and assisting those in need, but that doesn't change what it is.

It only shows the sinfulness of the church and the fact that its not been doing what it should have been for the last 40 years. But when the church is filled with false converts, due to the likes of Charles Finney and his predecessors with his manipulation techniques to get a decision for Christ, and a false modern day gospel. You get a church of 75% or more of self deceived goats playing church and practicing a form of religion based on moralism.

There not slaves to Christ, and there not serving Him. Instead they are more worried about building there personal little empire, there little suburban mega church based on man centered concepts like Bill Hybels and Rick Warren and willing to compromise on the preaching of the word and bringing in entertainment based worship to pacify the goats for 45 minutes.

The culture has invaded the church and for the most part all but replaced it, and thats why churches are dying. People don't want the garbage the church has been selling for the last 40 years. Christians want Gods word proclaimed boldly, clearly and accurately, not sugar coated garbage, from week kneed men that spend there time watching movies and television rather than studying the word of God. They want leaders that live there faith and are willing to get there hands dirty.
“Give us some men, that know and who will declare the truth and who stand with Athanasios and Poly Carp and Calvin and Luther and Whitefield and Edwards, and who will declare from the house tops that the gospel is the power of God unto salvation” Steve Lawson

We have a bunch of Churches in Southern Maryland and if they were obedient in the last year, you should of had at least one person a week, from each of them knock on your door, or ask you on the street if you were to die tomorrow where would you spend eternity? Instead, your probably lucky if anyone ever asked you that or handed you a gospel tract.

Sorry for the complaining on the state of the church, but if it was healthy and alive, we wouldn't even be talking about what marriage is, people would know! The state would not be involved, nor would we have officials promoting what goes against conscious, as they would be afraid to be voted out and would fear being looked upon as deviants themselves, for even considering such a thing.
 
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