Why does it take DAYS to count votes?

SamSpade

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I mean, BRAZIL had results nationally in a day. Major states like Florida were mostly done before midnight.

I "get" that Arizona had problems with their machines, but gimme a break.

Why does it take an hour for some whole states - and days, even a week - for some major cities?

Please, no snarky comments. I do suspect some of them might be true - if you're going to fix an election, you can't hide your tracks so easily if you do it all upfront. But assuming that anyway - why does it take so long?

Is it all the damned DIFFERENT kinds of ballots, verifying DIFFERENT kinds of rules? I've heard in PA, there's different methods in just about every district.

Even here in Maryland, it was over pretty quick, and they offered me two ways to vote when I went in.

What makes it so much worse than it was, when I was a kid?
 
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GregV814

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well, conscientious shoppers want the biggest bang for their buck.

How many of you really, really believe there hasn't been severe corruption over the past 2-4 years and probably beyond that during elections.

It doesn't matter who votes, its who counts the votes. I don't trust poll workers and election judges, little nebbish blue hair sheet metal faces, guys in $1,000.00 suits with a smile....and I was a judge for 2 elections. The chief judges at both sites were, uhhhh, Democrats who let rules, established rules, fly out the window...shuttle buses from Baltimore City coming to Calvert county??? Why???
 
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Merlin99

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Because they allow all mail in ballots that are postmarked by the end of the day on Election Day. Sometimes the post office takes a few days to get the mail from one place to the other.
 

Ken King

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Because they allow all mail in ballots that are postmarked by the end of the day on Election Day. Sometimes the post office takes a few days to get the mail from one place to the other.
Doesn't need a postmark in many places, just needs to arrive by a given date, and up to 14 days late in Illinois (I think). Also with postmarks, the USPS says they don't "cancel" metered mail which is how many metro areas handle the mail-in ballots.
 

NextJen

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If there is going to be a mail in process at all, all of the ballots should be required to be mailed in/post marked 10 days prior to the actual election. This way there is ‘plenty’ of time for the mailed ballot to get in and be counted by the actual election day. Also, mail in ballots should only be allowed in limited circumstances - not for the general public as a rule.

just my $0.02
 
I mean, BRAZIL had results nationally in a day. Major states like Florida were mostly done before midnight.

I "get" that Arizona had problems with their machines, but gimme a break.

Why does it take an hour for some whole states - and days, even a week - for some major cities?

Please, no snarky comments. I do suspect some of them might be true - if you're going to fix an election, you can't hide your tracks so easily if you do it all upfront. But assuming that anyway - why does it take so long?

Is it all the damned DIFFERENT kinds of ballots, verifying DIFFERENT kinds of rules? I've heard in PA, there's different methods in just about every district.

Even here in Maryland, it was over pretty quick, and they offered me two ways to vote when I went in.

What makes it so much worse than it was, when I was a kid?
The short answers to why it seems to take longer and in some cases does take longer:

(1) There's a lot more drop-off and mail-in voting than there used to be. Generally speaking, there's more involved in counting such (individual) votes than there is in counting election day in-person votes. Further, there is far more free labor available to help count election day in-person votes than there is available to help count early drop-off and mail-in votes. (The voters themselves do a lot of the work when it comes to counting election day in-person votes.)

(2) I think we are more aware of more races - e.g., races from other states or for less significant seats - than we used to be. So we notice that some races take a long time to get called. When we're only paying attention to a few races, there are fewer opportunities for those races to be close enough to take a long time to get called. It's always taken a long time for ALL the votes to get counted. But in the past we didn't notice that as much because most of the races we paid attention to were called early on, even though all the votes hadn't been counted. The races that don't get called because they're too close stand out.


The short answers to why there seems to be such a difference or is such a difference between how long it takes to count votes in different places:

(1) Different places have different rules regarding the process of counting drop-off, mail-in, and early votes. In particular, they have different rules about when that counting (and processing more generally) can begin. In some states, e.g. Colorado and Florida, mail-in votes can be processed and counted long before election day. In other states, e.g. Michigan and Pennsylvania, mail-in votes can't even be processed until election day. So in some states it takes far longer to count (and report) mail-in votes. (That's exacerbated by what I mentioned earlier - the lack of help from the voters themselves when it comes to processing such votes.)

In 2020 the effects of these different rules was quite apparent. In Florida, e.g., the first reported vote totals showed President Biden with a huge lead. But it was still apparent that President Trump was going to win the state, and by a sizable margin, because the huge block of votes that were initially reported - and which favored President Biden - were the early and/or mail-in votes which surely skewed heavily in his favor. As time went on the election day in-person votes would get reported and they'd skew heavily in favor of President Trump, and by enough to easily overcome the early votes. In contrast in Michigan, e.g., the early vote totals showed President Trump with a lead. But it was still apparent, at least to me, that President Biden was likely going to win the state. That's because the opposite was happening. The first votes reported were election day in-person votes which skewed heavily in President Trump's favor and the votes reported later were largely early votes which skewed heavily in President Biden's favor.

(2) How much mail-in and early voting happens no doubt varies significantly between states.

(3) Again, some races aren't close and can be called quite early even though all the votes haven't been counted. We don't notice it taking a while to count all the votes in those races because they've already been called. Other races are much closer, either as reported or in effect. (By 'in effect', I mean not all 0.5% leads are the same. When we take into account where the remaining uncounted votes are, and what kind of votes they are, a 0.5% lead can mean a race is extremely close or it can mean that the winner is already clear.)

You mentioned Florida. They aren't done counting votes in Florida. (They are, though, significantly ahead in counting votes as compared to many other places, in part because of what I pointed out in (1) above.) But the big races that we were likely to be paying attention to weren't close and could be called early. So we tend not to notice that the vote counting isn't finished there. In Nevada and Arizona, e.g., the Senate races are closer - Nevada is especially close (again, taking into account what votes remain uncounted). So those races haven't been called yet and thus we notice that the vote counting continues.


As for Brazil, I don't know what their vote counting rules are and how prevalent mail-in and early voting is there. And how close was the last election took note of?

I will say this, I don't know why Nevada in particular isn't further along in its vote counting. Both Nevada and Arizona allow early processing and counting of mail-in votes. I've seen it reported that, for whatever reason, a huge number of votes were dropped off on election day in Maricopa county (something like a quarter of the total number of votes cast there). That would explain why Arizona still has a lot of votes to count. But what about Nevada? Did something similar happen there?

Lastly, I'd say I'm a little surprised Arizona hasn't been called. With his current lead, and given where the remaining votes are coming from, it seems pretty clear that Mr. Kelly has won that race. Nevada on the other hand is very, very close.


EDIT: I meant to add, since you mentioned Maryland, that Maryland isn't even close to finished counting votes. It appears to have more votes remaining uncounted, on a percentage basis, than Nevada and about the same as Arizona. But the races we might have been paying attention to weren't particularly close and could be called early, so - it seems - we don't notice that it's taking a while to count the votes here.


EDIT: I'm seeing differing reports for the number of votes still uncounted in Maryland. It may be considerably less than in Nevada and Arizona, but it's still a lot of votes - 100k+.
 
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vraiblonde

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Why does it take an hour for some whole states - and days, even a week - for some major cities?

Note that it is ALWAYS Democrat cities that have these problems?

Because, #1, they cheat and need time to see how many votes they need to fudge.

And #2, because they're effing retarded and incapable of having a plan in place so they don't look like the cheating imbeciles they are.
 

stgislander

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Here is what Neil Parrott, the Rep candidate currently ahead in the MD-06 race, posted today about counting.

Today's Update:

This morning at 10AM, at the Board of Elections across the five counties in District 6 – Garrett, Allegany, Washington, Frederick, and Upper Montgomery – began the count of the 30,000 mail-in votes received thus far.

They will count again tomorrow and then count on Saturday as needed to get us much closer to a final result.

This is the normal process for counting in Maryland. Even so, we have lawyers and trained poll watchers at each location to help ensure that the process is clean. This process will not be completed until November 18th, as they can wait for ballots that were mailed on Election Day to arrive, and won't start counting provisional ballots until November 16th. Even then, the elections board says it could go longer in certain counties, and there may be a recount that would delay a final decision.
 

SamSpade

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I still maintain - there’s no excuse for the slowness. Was it on here someone mentioned that in the mid 1800s, they still got it done in 24 hours? And they didn’t have phones, Internet or cars.

I’ve lived in fairly small towns where the whole town voted in maybe three ir four places - bigger ones where it might be a few dozen. They got it done, and from what I see, a LOT of them still do.

I still believe it’s inexcusable.
 
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Ken King

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I still maintain - there’s no excuse for the slowness. Was it on here someone mentioned that in the mid 1800s, they still got it done in 24 hours? And they didn’t have phones, Internet or cars.

I’ve lived in fairly small towns where the whole town voted in maybe three ir four places - bigger ones where it might be a few dozen. They got it done, and from what I see, a LOT of them still do.

I still believe it’s inexcusable.
Given there are 50 different approaches to elections there will be differences in how things are done. Here is a good site to get a basic idea why many might take longer - https://www.ncsl.org/research/elect...g-ends-the-steps-to-complete-an-election.aspx

And remember until certified by the state all tallies are unofficial.
 

BOP

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Because they allow all mail in ballots that are postmarked by the end of the day on Election Day. Sometimes the post office takes a few days to get the mail from one place to the other.
I stroked a check to one of the charities I support, located in California. It was processed a month ago tomorrow, and still hasn't made the arduous 3,000 mile journey.

Oh, and I did stop payment on it.
 

LightRoasted

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well, conscientious shoppers want the biggest bang for their buck.

How many of you really, really believe there hasn't been severe corruption over the past 2-4 years and probably beyond that during elections.

It doesn't matter who votes, its who counts the votes. I don't trust poll workers and election judges, little nebbish blue hair sheet metal faces, guys in $1,000.00 suits with a smile....and I was a judge for 2 elections. The chief judges at both sites were, uhhhh, Democrats who let rules, established rules, fly out the window...shuttle buses from Baltimore City coming to Calvert county??? Why???
I'm beginning to believe that all those election judges I saw Tuesday that wore face masks are democrats. As a matter of fact, I'm thinking those that still wear masks are democrats and that at least makes them easily identifiable.
 
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DaSDGuy

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I still maintain - there’s no excuse for the slowness. Was it on here someone mentioned that in the mid 1800s, they still got it done in 24 hours? And they didn’t have phones, Internet or cars.

I’ve lived in fairly small towns where the whole town voted in maybe three ir four places - bigger ones where it might be a few dozen. They got it done, and from what I see, a LOT of them still do.

I still believe it’s inexcusable.
In the 1800's everybody, and I mean everybody, travelled to their polling location. No mail in ballots. No whiney excuses about how traveling disenfranchises the poor voters. You went to vote or you didnt vote. Its a lot easier to count ballots at the end of the day when you dont have to wait for late ballots.
 

Merlin99

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In the 1800's everybody, and I mean everybody, travelled to their polling location. No mail in ballots. No whiney excuses about how traveling disenfranchises the poor voters. You went to vote or you didnt vote. Its a lot easier to count ballots at the end of the day when you dont have to wait for late ballots.
Some people had to be carried in almost dead to vote, but they did it.
 

spr1975wshs

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2020 is one of the few years I did not vote in person.
BUT, I did carry my ballot to the drop box at the county election board building.
 

GURPS

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Why is it Taking So Long to Count Votes?

2022 Elections, Elections, 2022 Arizona Senate Election, 2022 Nevada Senate Election, Kari Lake, Katie Hobbs, Voting Rights And Voter Fraud, Early Voting

AllSides Summary​

Arizona and Nevada are still counting votes, and results might not be final until next week. Why?

Key Quotes: Clark County, Nevada's registrar of voters said Friday is likely "when we’ll have the majority of the ballots counted." The Maricopa County, Arizona recorder's office described the early ballot-counting process, saying that "we scan the barcode that links to a registered voter. We make sure that’s a valid, registered voter and make sure the voter hasn’t cast a ballot previously, and then we capture the image of that signature affidavit...Once the signature is matched, we can forward that to the bipartisan ballot processing team."

For Context: Too-close-to-call Senate races in both states may decide which party controls the chamber. Ballot-counting issues at Arizona polling centers on Election Day frustrated voters and fueled unfounded theories about fraud.

Where People Agree: A Washington Examiner writer said the delays "are a choice, not an inevitability, and their results are irritating for people of all political persuasions." A Brennan Center for Justice (BCJ) writer said counting mail-in ballots slowly has "disastrous consequences for public trust in elections."

Where People Disagree: Citing misinformation about the counting process, the BCJ writer said blame should be "on the state legislators who failed to address a known source of conspiracy theories." The Examiner writer didn't cite concerns about misinformation, and focused on urging legislators to "look to Florida's system of tabulating votes and model their own systems after it."
 

Kinnakeet

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I mean, BRAZIL had results nationally in a day. Major states like Florida were mostly done before midnight.

I "get" that Arizona had problems with their machines, but gimme a break.

Why does it take an hour for some whole states - and days, even a week - for some major cities?

Please, no snarky comments. I do suspect some of them might be true - if you're going to fix an election, you can't hide your tracks so easily if you do it all upfront. But assuming that anyway - why does it take so long?

Is it all the damned DIFFERENT kinds of ballots, verifying DIFFERENT kinds of rules? I've heard in PA, there's different methods in just about every district.

Even here in Maryland, it was over pretty quick, and they offered me two ways to vote when I went in.

What makes it so much worse than it was, when I was a kid?
Cheat is on AGAIN!
 
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