Why is society encouraging little girls that "brats" and "b****es" are GOOD things??

[Shakezula]

"Third rate romance, low-rent rendevous..."

It's not rap music that's the problem - I like a rap/hip-hoppy style. It's some of the lyrics that these dirtbags write to accompany the music that's the problem.

It always amazes me that you can turn on BET and listen to some "leader of the black community" talking about how whites have a negative stereotype of blacks and how racist and bad it is, then the next thing up is some rap video protraying black men as ghetto scumbags and black women as sleazy whores.

I just don't get it.

I totally know what you mean about someone saying they are sick of being portrayed in a certain way, then feeding right into it. I was just thinking, yeah really. Rappers should make songs about being successful business men (or women). LOL. But then again I guess some of them do write about that- they write about growing up in da hood and how now they all wear Prada and Gucci and Louis Vuitton.

I understand how it's the lyrics of the songs that upset most people, which is why I pointed out examples of specific things in other genres too, such as fighting and affairs, etc.

I was just thinking about grunge music, too. Remember grunge music? I listened to a ton of it (and still do!). A LOT of those songs were about drugs, being depressed, suicide, etc. (Yet as much of that music as I have in my cd cases, I never once tried any drugs OR tried to commit suicide.) Anyway I wonder why people didn't make such a big deal over that. Maybe they did and I just don't remember.

 

[Shakezula]

BET ain't the problem! It's Womens lib! What a boat load of crap that was!

I think a lot of women take that too far as well... and I think that's part of the reason for the shirts that say "B****".

I get these email forwards all the time from my friends (which I quickly delete), and it's all about how women have the "right" to be b*tchy, and have an attitude, and everyone else better just deal with it and if you don't like it then to hell with you, etc. etc. (But if a GUY has that attitude, he's automatically an a-hole)

Maybe that's part of what bothers me about the whole thing- since when did being a "b**ch" become something to be "proud" of!? why would someone WANT to wear that label?

 

[bresamil]

Anyway I wonder why people didn't make such a big deal over that. Maybe they did and I just don't remember.

You just don't remember. Adults have been concerned with the music of teens for many generations. When I was growing up, my mother didn't want me to own a KISS album because she said it stood for Knights in Satan's Service. Don't forget the uproar over Ozzy's "Suicide Solution". And when Kurt Cobain killed himself someone did a study of how often he mentioned guns in his songs.
What it comes down to is the person listening. Most see music as entertainment, not a message on how to live or die. There are those others however, who have much deeper problems.
Back to the topic at hand - in our house Bratz dolls are called "Tarts". My daughter loves their "stylish" clothes. Luckily I'm the one with the money so she can't dress like them. And I'm careful just how much "attitude" her shirts relay.

 

[mAlice]

http://www.essence.com/essence/inside/0,16109,,00.html

TAKE BACK THE MUSIC: DIRTY DANCING—In part two of the Take Back the Music series, ESSENCE goes behind the scenes to talk to the video girls, their male “costars” and the video directors. Who are the “vixens” that we see poppin’ it so hard in hip-hop videos? And how do these soft-porn mini-movies affect our kids? As pimp culture goes mainstream, are we getting paid or played?
ESSENCE will kick off its first Take Back the Music Week February 21st-February 25th, where readers can call and send letters and e-mails with their thoughts about how Black women are portrayed to the people who can make a change—programming executives at cable networks, radio stations and record companies. Also on February 25th, ESSENCE will cohost its first town-hall meeting

 

[mAlice]

http://www.sohh.com/thewire/read.php?contentID=6778

Spelman women began their fight against negative Rap content in April 2004 when they protested Nelly's scheduled appearance on campus. At the time, the rapper was stirring up controversy for the X-rated images of his video "Tip-Drill." The clip featured Pimp Juice and friends with countless naked women dancing and kissing one another. The video also featured a controversial scene in which Nelly swiped a credit card through the crack of a woman's buttocks. Nelly canceled his appearance on Spelman's campus.

 

[Shakezula]

You just don't remember. Adults have been concerned with the music of teens for many generations. When I was growing up, my mother didn't want me to own a KISS album because she said it stood for Knights in Satan's Service. Don't forget the uproar over Ozzy's "Suicide Solution". And when Kurt Cobain killed himself someone did a study of how often he mentioned guns in his songs.
What it comes down to is the person listening. Most see music as entertainment, not a message on how to live or die. There are those others however, who have much deeper problems.
Back to the topic at hand - in our house Bratz dolls are called "Tarts". My daughter loves their "stylish" clothes. Luckily I'm the one with the money so she can't dress like them. And I'm careful just how much "attitude" her shirts relay.

Yeah I was in highschool at the time of grunge and couldn't have cared less what the news said about music I was listening to. The funny thing was my parents were the ones who got me into it, they listened to it, too.

I agree 100% that there's a big difference between people who listen to something because it's entertaining/interesting, and those who try to emulate what they hear and see. Now to figure out what makes some act on it and others do not... but I guess that's been a question for practically ever.
Anyway good for you for being careful what your children wear as well.

Elaine- that's a really interesting post/link (essense). I should have made a whole separate topic for gangsta rap, huh?

swiping a credit card through an ass crack? For some reason that just makes me laugh- not in a sexual way but in the potty humor way. I hope he did that as a joke and was not taking that in some serious way, LOL.

 

[mAlice]

swiping a credit card through an ass crack? For some reason that just makes me laugh- not in a sexual way but in the potty humor way. I hope he did that as a joke and was not taking that in some serious way, LOL.

My guess would be that it was a metaphor for buying a piece, but that's just a guess.

 

[J.South]

http://www.sohh.com/thewire/read.php?contentID=6778

Spelman women began their fight against negative Rap content in April 2004 when they protested Nelly's scheduled appearance on campus. At the time, the rapper was stirring up controversy for the X-rated images of his video "Tip-Drill." The clip featured Pimp Juice and friends with countless naked women dancing and kissing one another. The video also featured a controversial scene in which Nelly swiped a credit card through the crack of a woman's buttocks. Nelly canceled his appearance on Spelman's campus.

Too bad they decided to protest while he was there for bone marrow drive.

 

[likitysplit]

studio time

Here's what I think of when I imagine a recording studio for rap music....

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-03-04-chimp-attack_x.htm

Disclaimer* I think the Ying-Yang Twins and Bone Thugs in Harmony are kick azz.......

 

[Railroad]

why would someone WANT to wear that label?

Birth control?

 

[mAlice]

Birth control?

It's working!

I'm a self proclaimed b!tch and proud of it.

 

[mAlice]

Too bad they decided to protest while he was there for bone marrow drive.

Too bad he thought it was a good idea to entertain the attendees of a fund raiser with porn.

 

[Nanny Pam]

What has happened to you??? Didn't you used to be some screaming liberal nutball???

"It's all about me" doesn't disturb me. "B****" is juvenile but I can get past it even though I don't care for profanity on clothing. The ones I don't like are the "Pimp" shirts. I saw one chickie the other day wearing a "Pimp Me" t-shirt - she might have been 13. What the hell is her mother thinking???

In general, I don't like anything that degrades women and turns them into sex objects :hollowsoul:. And I think it's a pisspoor message to send to our young girls.

We saw some teenage (13 or 14, maybe) girl in the grocery store WITH her mother. She was wearing a pair of sweat pants that said "ride this" on the ass of the pants! She was on a cell phone talking like a whore. It's not like she was trying to hide what she was saying either.
Some parents! :

 

[crabcake]

We saw some teenage (13 or 14, maybe) girl in the grocery store WITH her mother. She was wearing a pair of sweat pants that said "ride this" on the ass of the pants! She was on a cell phone talking like a whore. It's not like she was trying to hide what she was saying either.
Some parents! :

And you didn't approach the mother and say, "My son will pay $50 to have his way with your daughter; when's she available?"? :shrug:

 

[Shakezula]

We saw some teenage (13 or 14, maybe) girl in the grocery store WITH her mother. She was wearing a pair of sweat pants that said "ride this" on the ass of the pants! She was on a cell phone talking like a whore. It's not like she was trying to hide what she was saying either.
Some parents! :

that seriously just made me go EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWW!!!!!

 

[Nanny Pam]

And you didn't approach the mother and say, "My son will pay $50 to have his way with your daughter; when's she available?"? :shrug:

DAMN~! I wish I would have thought of that!

 

[crabcake]

DAMN~! I wish I would have thought of that!

You're slippin' lady!

 

[likitysplit]

All fun an games

It's all fun and games to the parents over this bullshzit clothing until they get a call from the police saying their daughter has been found with her legs bent back over her head and a bullet hole in her head (cell phone in hand) rotting in a bay somewhere.

I think these little whores need to be treated like a new inmate at Rykers Island for a night........ (while their parent's watch)

They'd be wearing WWJD shirts the next day.

They are all mighty proud to be biatchs until they are backed into an alley somewhere with 6 guys named Tyrone...........

BTW, I don't think Spencers Gift Shop is a suitable place to be buying your 13 year old daughter clothing..........

JMHO

 

[Shakezula]

BTW, I don't think Spencers Gift Shop is a suitable place to be buying your 13 year old daughter clothing..........

JMHO

Hehe, I am not sure who you are referring to, but I was not in there to buy clothing. I was out of town for work, went to the mall to kill some time after dinner. I do have a much younger sister though, and I wouldn't want to see her wearing that stuff, either.

 

[crabcake]

You'd have a lot less $2 teen whores running around if parents were allowed to smack the sh!t outta them when they wore stuff like that. But nooooooooo ... that's "child abuse". If my kid ever comes home wearing that crap, folks will think she's got a pimp from how black and blue she'll be. She'll also 'recover' chained up in her room so she can't narc me out to some judge.