Will the govt shut down?

[BernieP]

they may do the famous "work at risk" that contractors do all the time, where you work without pay so the project doesn't crash, and once they're funded again you get the back pay.


I don't know if you can get unemployment without job termination. This is just a stop work, not a termination.

Can't do that. Either we are funded or we are not.

I say better then 50/50 we are shut down. It's been headed that way, both sides have polled to see who the public would hold at fault.

Core differences between the Administration and the House now. The Senate would compromise but the House and Administration are at odds on to many points and the administration isn't willing to give up any of it's initiativ es.

 

[DEEKAYPEE8569]

More relevant - this is part of the budget that the last congress never got around to before this FY began Oct. 1.

I guess wrapping up 'old business' before moving on to NEW business is true even for Congress. It's just ko-ink-ee-dinkle that the old business; and first "on the schedule" so to speak; is their own pay raises.

Even more off topic.....pay raises for Congress and Congressional staffers??
REALLY? For what?

 

[MMDad]

I guess wrapping up 'old business' before moving on to NEW business is true even for Congress. It's just ko-ink-ee-dinkle that the old business; and first "on the schedule" so to speak; is their own pay raises.

Even more off topic.....pay raises for Congress and Congressional staffers??
REALLY? For what?

By law, Members may not receive an increase greater than the increase in the base pay of GS employees.

The last time the House voted on their pay raise was 4/27/10 for 2011. They voted 402-15 not to get a raise.

The last time the Senate voted on their pay raise was 4/28/10 for 2011. They passed the above house bill by unanimous consent.

The President signed the bill on 5/14/10.

They did the same thing in 2009 for 2010.

The last time Congress got a raise was January 2009.

 

[ylexot]

Can't do that. Either we are funded or we are not.

It depends on the company. Essentially, the company is paying the employees out of their own pockets betting that they are going to get funded for the task in the future. And they are absolutely allowed to do that.

 

[bcp]

I hate to say it but,
I hope the government does shut down. Its about time that the two parties learn that they need to work with each other instead of thinking that the majority party should have all the say.

Maybe a shut down will spur another big seat swap in 2012.

Plus we can always point at obama and comment on the fact that it happened on his watch

 

[PrchJrkr]

Plus we can always point at obama and comment on the fact that it happened on his watch

It's W's fault...

 

[DEEKAYPEE8569]

By law, Members may not receive an increase greater than the increase in the base pay of GS employees.
The last time the House voted on their pay raise was 4/27/10 for 2011. They voted 402-15 not to get a raise.

The last time the Senate voted on their pay raise was 4/28/10 for 2011. They passed the above house bill by unanimous consent.

The President signed the bill on 5/14/10.

They did the same thing in 2009 for 2010.

The last time Congress got a raise was January 2009.

What GS? 1 or 15? Base pay for each is WAAAAY different.

 

[ylexot]

What GS? 1 or 15? Base pay for each is WAAAAY different.

But the percent increase is the same.

 

[DEEKAYPEE8569]

But the percent increase is the same.

I guess I unconsciously skipped over 'increase in.' :shrug:

 

[bcp]

It's W's fault...

Sorry, Im still learning.

Maybe I should enroll in the "Larry School of Political Blame"

 

[Dymphna]

If the government shuts down, government employees cannot go to work. Those diehard types who can't bear to leave their desk, regardless of whether they are getting paid...either because they are crazy, anal, or just dedicated can be arrested for going to work.

There is a law that forbids government agencies from using volunteers. If you aren't getting paid you gotta get out.

 

[SamSpade]

I hate to say it but,
I hope the government does shut down. Its about time that the two parties learn that they need to work with each other instead of thinking that the majority party should have all the say.

Well I hate to say it, but I don't think a shutdown will teach either of them anything. None of them will suffer, but a lot of us federal employees will get sent home without pay. The rumor is we will NOT be reimbursed this time. If that is the case, the only people really affected are us workers.

I haven't got pockets deep enough to weather a furlough for very long. And the story I've heard thus far is, we can't get unemployment from Maryland, either. Just basically, screwed.

 

[bcp]

Well I hate to say it, but I don't think a shutdown will teach either of them anything. None of them will suffer, but a lot of us federal employees will get sent home without pay. The rumor is we will NOT be reimbursed this time. If that is the case, the only people really affected are us workers.

I haven't got pockets deep enough to weather a furlough for very long. And the story I've heard thus far is, we can't get unemployment from Maryland, either. Just basically, screwed.

Ive already been through 2 furloughs with no reimbursment.

but its better than being layed off I suppose.

at least they did the furlough the best way possible here.
We lost the money for the days, it was spread across 7 months worth of pay and we get to pick our days off instead of just being told to go home.

I just look at it like a reduction in pay and two more weeks vacation

 

[LC_Sulla]

Well I hate to say it, but I don't think a shutdown will teach either of them anything. None of them will suffer, but a lot of us federal employees will get sent home without pay. The rumor is we will NOT be reimbursed this time. If that is the case, the only people really affected are us workers.

I haven't got pockets deep enough to weather a furlough for very long. And the story I've heard thus far is, we can't get unemployment from Maryland, either. Just basically, screwed.

You are right. A Gv't shutdown will never hurt a politician.

I could take the Conservative hardline approach with you and say, "Tough nookies. What did you expect? A lifetime of security? This ain't France, you cry baby socialist. It's happened before and you should have planned for it."

Or, as a fellow Gv't employee, I could empathize with you and say, "Gawd, I hope we don't get sent home too. I have family to feed and bills to pay too."

Personally, I hope there's no shutdown because there will be even more work to do when we get back! And a shutdown will put some of our projects behind schedule.

 

[BOP]

If the government shuts down, government employees cannot go to work. Those diehard types who can't bear to leave their desk, regardless of whether they are getting paid...either because they are crazy, anal, or just dedicated can be arrested for going to work.

There is a law that forbids government agencies from using volunteers. If you aren't getting paid you gotta get out.

Source, please.

Thanks.

 

[BOP]

Well I hate to say it, but I don't think a shutdown will teach either of them anything. None of them will suffer, but a lot of us federal employees will get sent home without pay. The rumor is we will NOT be reimbursed this time. If that is the case, the only people really affected are us workers.

I haven't got pockets deep enough to weather a furlough for very long. And the story I've heard thus far is, we can't get unemployment from Maryland, either. Just basically, screwed.

Source?

Thanks.

 

[Dymphna]

Source, please.

Thanks.

U.S. GAO - Antideficiency Act Background

Accepting voluntary services for the United States, or employing personal services not authorized by law, except in cases of emergency involving the safety of human life or the protection of property. 31 U.S.C. § 1342.

Federal Eye - What might a government shutdown look like?

Even if non-essential workers wanted to work without pay, they could face fines of up to $5,000 or up to two years in prison for violating a federal law that prohibits agencies from accepting volunteer labor.

A citizen's guide to a 'government shutdown' - The Week

Could "non-essential" federal employees work anyway?
In a word, no. There won't be money to pay them. And even if they wanted to work without pay, they could be subject to fines of up to $5,000 (or two years in prison) for violating a federal law that forbids volunteer labor,

If government shuts down, bye-bye BlackBerry - Nextgov

The so-called Antideficiency Act prohibits agencies from accepting voluntary labor for services that are not essential -- vital to the protection of life and property -- during a shutdown. Federal officials or employees who violate the rules can be fined up to $5,000 or sent to prison for two years. In other words, it's illegal for employees to work and for agencies to allow work to be done.

 

[BOP]

U.S. GAO - Antideficiency Act Background
Federal Eye - What might a government shutdown look like? A citizen's guide to a 'government shutdown' - The WeekIf government shuts down, bye-bye BlackBerry - Nextgov

Alrighty then. If they tell me to go home, they don't have to tell me twice. Thanks.

 

[SamSpade]

Source?

Thanks.

If I had a source, I wouldn't refer to it as a story I'd heard. My co-workers have said in past furloughs they couldn't get any, and one who was RIF'ed said he couldn't get a dime for months until he could PROVE he was terminated.

Mainly - I absolutely can't confirm that I can, because all the material says, you must furnish proof of termination.

Anyway - the news I saw on TV is that the Republicans are offering a two-week extension with cuts already agreed upon. It should pass unless the other side just wants to fight about it.

 

[Rommey]

They did the same thing in 2009 for 2010.

The last time Congress got a raise was January 2009.

I'm not sure the 27th Amendment would allow a change in pay to happen for 2010, if they got a raise in 2009.