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vraiblonde

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OK so if one wants to take a 4 year old to the beach to splash around, where do you guys recommend?


 

LightRoasted

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OK so if one wants to take a 4 year old to the beach to splash around, where do you guys recommend?
There's a bit of beach on Solomons just across from Our Lady Star of the Sea Church by the parking lot near the boat rental place. Many folks go there. Flag Ponds, you can walk to the beach. Calvert Cliffs, 1.8 mile walk to the beach. At each on you can look for fossils and sharks teeth too.
 

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There's a bit of beach on Solomons just across from Our Lady Star of the Sea Church by the parking lot near the boat rental place. Many folks go there. Flag Ponds, you can walk to the beach. Calvert Cliffs, 1.8 mile walk to the beach. At each on you can look for fossils and sharks teeth too.
And it is privately owned and you run the risk of getting yelled at.
 

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And it is privately owned and you run the risk of getting yelled at.
Au contraire, Red colored Rose. No property owner has riparian rights in Maryland. The State of Maryland, the people, owns all the lands, beaches, up to the mean high tide water mark. That is not a normal high tide level. Mean High Water (MHW) is the average of all the high water heights observed over a period of several years. For example, in the United States this period spans 19 years and is referred to as the National Tidal Datum Epoch. So, there are those that can yell all they want, but you, now knowledgeable of the law, can tell them to go pound sand.:)
 

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Au contraire, Red colored Rose. No property owner has riparian rights in Maryland. The State of Maryland, the people, owns all the lands, beaches, up to the mean high tide water mark. That is not a normal high tide level. Mean High Water (MHW) is the average of all the high water heights observed over a period of several years. For example, in the United States this period spans 19 years and is referred to as the National Tidal Datum Epoch. So, there are those that can yell all they want, but you, now knowledgeable of the law, can tell them to go pound sand.:)
Tell that to the man my ex-BIL paid to rent for keeping his Cat there on the beach.
 

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Tell that to the man my ex-BIL paid to rent for keeping his Cat there on the beach.
I am sorry to say, had your ex had knowledge of Maryland riparian law, he would not have paid anything. It is fact and law. Now, a waterfront owner can, and most do, prohibit people from crossing their land to get to a beach. That is within their rights. But once on that beach, only the State can make you leave. An example is the Cove Point neighborhood at the very end of Cove Point Rd. Unless you know someone who lives there to park your car and access the beach, or walk from someplace else and sneak onto it, you are not going to get onto that beach. Unless you land a boat or canoe or swim to it. But once there, on Cove Point beach, absolutely no one can make you leave. As long as you stay within the Mean High Tide Line. Those Cove Point property owner people are pretty protective, and many owners are as-holes, when it come to that beach.
 

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And it is privately owned and you run the risk of getting yelled at.

Lot of "noobs" own property around our island now and many of them mistakenly believe they own their property right to the water's edge and even beyond. When my kids were still here regularly, they got chased off a couple of their favorite play beaches by that kind of idiot property owner. Sure, you can yell back or call the law but who needs all that, right?
 

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Lot of "noobs" own property around our island now and many of them mistakenly believe they own their property right to the water's edge and even beyond. When my kids were still here regularly, they got chased off a couple of their favorite play beaches by that kind of idiot property owner. Sure, you can yell back or call the law but who needs all that, right?

It was a long time ago, so I really don't care. I just visit friends swimming pools now! :lol:
 

Gilligan

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It was a long time ago, so I really don't care. I just visit friends swimming pools now! :lol:

I face the problem of trespassing routinely....we get many boaters landing on the various beaches on the island I manage up in 7D. Some of them think its OK to roam around the island, have a picnic, leave their trash, etc. But we seldom catch them trespassing and cannot do anything about beaching their boats if they stay on the beach.
 

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I face the problem of trespassing routinely....we get many boaters landing on the various beaches on the island I manage up in 7D. Some of them think its OK to roam around the island, have a picnic, leave their trash, etc. But we seldom catch them trespassing and cannot do anything about beaching their boats if they stay on the beach.
It's not Sharkstooth, is it?
 
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I am sorry to say, had your ex had knowledge of Maryland riparian law, he would not have paid anything. It is fact and law. Now, a waterfront owner can, and most do, prohibit people from crossing their land to get to a beach. That is within their rights. But once on that beach, only the State can make you leave. An example is the Cove Point neighborhood at the very end of Cove Point Rd. Unless you know someone who lives there to park your car and access the beach, or walk from someplace else and sneak onto it, you are not going to get onto that beach. Unless you land a boat or canoe or swim to it. But once there, on Cove Point beach, absolutely no one can make you leave. As long as you stay within the Mean High Tide Line. Those Cove Point property owner people are pretty protective, and many owners are as-holes, when it come to that beach.
I agree with all of that, having had access to private beach on Long Island Sound. For years it was common knowledge that if you stay below the MHTL no one can force you to leave.

However..... in their infinite brilliance, there is one town that somehow managed to claim they had control all the way to the water, and won in federal court. I believe it's in court again for reversal.
At issue was the question of whether the land in dispute -- property which was above the mean high water mark -- belonged to the town or the homeowners. The lawsuit was brought in U.S. District Court by Amy Csorny on behalf of herself and her neighbors.

The town board, after reviewing the lawsuit and the property deeds, determined by a 3-2 vote on Tuesday night that the case should be settled in favor of the property owners.

ie, the property owners have successfully prevented access below the mean high tide line. The really stupid thing here? Most of the complaining homeowners are summer residents only for 2-3 months of the year.
 
I face the problem of trespassing routinely....we get many boaters landing on the various beaches on the island I manage up in 7D. Some of them think its OK to roam around the island, have a picnic, leave their trash, etc. But we seldom catch them trespassing and cannot do anything about beaching their boats if they stay on the beach.
You don't need to worry.... I found another beach to use.....
 

LightRoasted

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I agree with all of that, having had access to private beach on Long Island Sound. For years it was common knowledge that if you stay below the MHTL no one can force you to leave.

However..... in their infinite brilliance, there is one town that somehow managed to claim they had control all the way to the water, and won in federal court. I believe it's in court again for reversal.
ie, the property owners have successfully prevented access below the mean high tide line. The really stupid thing here? Most of the complaining homeowners are summer residents only for 2-3 months of the year.
By bad. I forgot to apply the caveat; The law I wrote about was referring to Maryland riparian rights only. I know not how other States handle their riparian rights laws. But here in Maryland, the State trumps all; towns, counties, citizens. Except for Federal property such a PAX and the Navy Rec Center, etc.
 
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By bad. I forgot to apply the caveat; The law I wrote about was referring to Maryland riparian rights only. I know not how other States handle their riparian rights laws. But here in Maryland, the State trumps all; towns, counties, citizens. Except for Federal property such a PAX and the Navy Rec Center, etc.
NP, NY is pretty much the same as MD with those rights. This particular incident is not normal by any means.
 

LightRoasted

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NP, NY is pretty much the same as MD with those rights. This particular incident is not normal by any means.
That story is confusing. Are they referring only to land above the MHTW line? Or the beach as a whole to the water's edge at high or low tide? Seems New York State riparian law would have played a role in this case then since it would trump the Town and property owners.
 
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That story is confusing. Are they referring only to land above the MHTW line? Or the beach as a whole to the water's edge at high or low tide? Seems New York State riparian law would have played a role in this case then since it would trump the Town and property owners.
The property owners claim the beach all the way to the water at low tide. For whatever reason, the courts sided with the homeowners in spite of riparian law. I'm familiar with the property in question, spent a lot of time at that beach. There is a narrow access for vehicles and people, and this section of beach is the only way to get further east. The fishermen, sunbathers and 4-wheelers have been completely cut off from getting to the beach.

Here's the beach, access and area delineation (disputed area) in blue.
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LightRoasted

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The property owners claim the beach all the way to the water at low tide. For whatever reason, the courts sided with the homeowners in spite of riparian law. I'm familiar with the property in question, spent a lot of time at that beach. There is a narrow access for vehicles and people, and this section of beach is the only way to get further east. The fishermen, sunbathers and 4-wheelers have been completely cut off from getting to the beach.

Here's the beach, access and area delineation (disputed area) in blue.
View attachment 137803
Jeez. It seems the reason this decision was made, and what it really boils down to, is a land patent giving ownership all the way to the low tide line. This article explains it better.
 
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