Would Jesus Support War?

[fredcaudle]

you're the one saying that people who say they are good are akin to hitler, stalin, and slavers lol

(incidently, looking at slavery in the south and you'll find that most of them we're good christians (well, according to them)).

You see my point then... no one is good!

Anyone can be "good" compared to Hitler... how about let's say, compared to Jesus? You that good? Even He said, "Why do you call me good?" Really, are we going to put ourselves on that playing level... and if we are, can we really match up?

 

[Xaquin44]

You see my point then... no one is good!

Anyone can be "good" compared to Hitler... how about let's say, compared to Jesus? You that good? Even He said, "Why do you call me good?" Really, are we going to put ourselves on that playing level... and if we are, can we really match up?

.... there is no hope for your post.

we were talking about people in a nation being good people .... in the terms that god will (at some undetermined point) kill them. Can you think of people that don't deserve to die? I can think of many.

thats more along what I was getting at. Good people that don't deserve to die listed as members of nations.

 

[fredcaudle]

.... there is no hope for your post.

we were talking about people in a nation being good people .... in the terms that god will (at some undetermined point) kill them. Can you think of people that don't deserve to die? I can think of many.

thats more along what I was getting at. Good people that don't deserve to die listed as members of nations.

Jesus didn't deserve to die either... but He did for you and for me.

People in a nation, put Him on a cross - remember? You point is hopeless -death is inevitable unless you found the "fountain of youth"? Do people deserve to die? That is not even a realistic question - people will die, its inevitable. This is why God poured out His grace in Jesus Christ. And man's response was to murder Him... (and lately not believe what He said)

 

[Xaquin44]

Jesus didn't deserve to die either... but He did for you and for me.

People in a nation, put Him on a cross - remember? You point is hopeless -death is inevitable unless you found the "fountain of youth"? Do people deserve to die? That is not even a realistic question - people will die, its inevitable. This is why God poured out His grace in Jesus Christ. And man's response was to murder Him... (and lately not believe what He said)

yes yes everyone dies .... not everyone dies as part of one fell swoop by god.

and woah woah woah there pal .... 'man' didn't murder Jesus. 'Men' did. I wasn't there, and I don't appreciate being lumped in.

edit: and what do you mean lately, the majority of the world has never believed.

 

[fredcaudle]

yes yes everyone dies .... not everyone dies as part of one fell swoop by god.

and woah woah woah there pal .... 'man' didn't murder Jesus. 'Men' did. I wasn't there, and I don't appreciate being lumped in.

edit: and what do you mean lately, the majority of the world has never believed.

"I wasn't there, and I don't appreciate being lumped in" ??????????? what??????? what??????

"not everyone dies as part of one fell swoop by god." True, believers in Jesus Christ are redeemed and given an eternal inheritance!

 

[fredcaudle]

"I wasn't there, and I don't appreciate being lumped in" ??????????? what??????? what??????

"not everyone dies as part of one fell swoop by god." True, believers in Jesus Christ are redeemed and given an eternal inheritance!

the majority of the world has never believed.

Can you show me a stat on that?????? Have you seen the numbers? They are changing, but this nation would refute what you said when it was founded.

 

[Xaquin44]

"I wasn't there, and I don't appreciate being lumped in" ??????????? what??????? what??????

you said man killed him .... as in mankind presumably ....

 

[fredcaudle]

you said man killed him .... as in mankind presumably ....

yes, mankind. Do you think rejecting Him and poking fun at Him is no different?

 

[Xaquin44]

the majority of the world has never believed.

Can you show me a stat on that?????? Have you seen the numbers? They are changing, but this nation would refute what you said when it was founded.

this from the CIA world factbook

Christians 33.03% (of which Roman Catholics 17.33%, Protestants 5.8%, Orthodox 3.42%, Anglicans 1.23%), Muslims 20.12%, Hindus 13.34%, Buddhists 5.89%, Sikhs 0.39%, Jews 0.23%, other religions 12.61%, non-religious 12.03%, atheists 2.36% (2004 est.)

so 67% don't side with the christian faith.

 

[exnodak]

but those ideals conflict =(

And that is why the Jews despised him. He represented a conflicting point of view. Still, he did not denounce his heritage which included military leaders that advocated a strong defense by a strong military.

The quotes from the New testament by Mark are a model for individuals to follow so that an individual might find redemption. Jesus never represented a model for societies or governments to follow except "That which is Ceasars...". That was because he embraced his Judaic roots on the matter of national defense.

Remember, he was raised in a country under foreign occupation. If he preached that you should stand up and smite your opponent, he would have been crucified much earlier as an insurgent. His message was designed to help the oppressed survive on earth as much as it was to provide redemption in heaven. It was not just holy and wise, it was the smart thing to advise.

 

[Xaquin44]

yes, mankind. Do you think rejecting Him and poking fun at Him is no different?

no different then killing him?

I sure hope so lol.

 

[fredcaudle]

this from the CIA world factbook

Christians 33.03% (of which Roman Catholics 17.33%, Protestants 5.8%, Orthodox 3.42%, Anglicans 1.23%), Muslims 20.12%, Hindus 13.34%, Buddhists 5.89%, Sikhs 0.39%, Jews 0.23%, other religions 12.61%, non-religious 12.03%, atheists 2.36% (2004 est.)

so 67% don't side with the christian faith.

good stats.. Atheists might want to recruit some more people.

67%... the harvest is plentiful but the workers are few... you've motivated me, thank you Xa

 

[itsbob]

Jesus practiced zero-aggression. Not only that, but he practiced pacifism. When his own life was threatened, he did not fight back.

I don't know who the politicians fight wars for, but it is certainly not Jesus.

Is htis the same Jesus that said on his return multitudes of non believers will perish and die a death of all eternity, yet those that follow him will survive and live for all eternity??

NOT much pacifism there. Listen to me, follow me.. or die.. FOREVER!!

 

[fredcaudle]

no different then killing him?

I sure hope so lol.

Hope can be deceiving when it is based on bad assumptions.

Take care, got to go fill the pagans pockets in buying Christmas gifts...

 

[itsbob]

good stats.. Atheists might want to recruit some more people.

67%... the harvest is plentiful but the workers are few... you've motivated me, thank you Xa

Yeah, that's a crapload of tithing being wasted!!

 

[Bavarian]

There was an interesting discussion generated by this via WorldNetDaily via DIGG. Much the same. The main concern I have is that this regards Huckabee who Norris is supporting. Would he work for peace thru strenght, ie, no war because everyone knows the price is too great, or, would he seek to start Armagedeon because of his view that this is good. Many people, myself included, pray that we will be spared the Chastisement. It is a concern, especially when the leader of Iran is also looking for the big war, h thinks will restore his Imam.
Religion and war are a dangerous mix when people wish for the End of the World.

 

[fredcaudle]

Yeah, that's a crapload of tithing being wasted!!

someone must really pee on your wheaties every morning!

You got a gripe with the church and its money... we get it, really.... REALLY, we get it. Trust me, we don't want your money so stand down and go get that guy that keeps peeing on your wheaties.

 

[Xaquin44]

someone must really pee on your wheaties every morning!

You got a gripe with the church and its money... we get it, really.... REALLY, we get it. Trust me, we don't want your money so stand down and go get that guy that keeps peeing on your wheaties.

they don't want your money they want your faith

cause once they have that, they'll have your money and some of your time.

 

[camily]

they don't want your money they want your faith

cause once they have that, they'll have your money and some of your time.

No they don't have your money, God does. It's his to begin with.

 

[ItalianScallion]

Chuck Norris column saying Jesus would support ALL war.

Ecclesiastes 3 v 8, Luke 14 v 31

Well, let's see:
But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.-Matthew 5:38-42
If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. -Luke 6:27-31

True, Vrai. (redundant eh?) Jesus is saying that there are certain times when we should give to others from our abundance. He also says that there is a time when we should fight to protect our home & family. (Exodus 22 v 2, Matthew 12 v 29 & Luke 11 v 21).

"Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord." - Romans 12:19

There is a difference between revenge and protecting our family & self. Revenge is usually done after the wrong & protection is usually done during or before the wrong.

"And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS." - Revelation 19:11-16
No, He wouldn't support ALL war, but He will end ALL war.

Look up war in your concordance and you'll see it a few times. God doesn't like war but He knows it's a necessary evil.