Wow!!! Motorola Xoooooom.......

The TW app gets less and less impressive each day, as more and more networks force the cable provider to remove their networks from the app. Pretty soon it's just going to be a pretty TV Guide app.

There are no doubt legal issues with interpreting existing contracts (between content creators/providers and content distributors). And, the networks are of course going to try to argue that cable companies aren't entitled (under current contracts) to allow users to view their content this way, just as the cable companies are going to argue to the contrary. I'm obviously not familiar with the exact wording and terms of the contracts, but my guess would be that the cable companies are more right.

That said, those legal issues are temporary. Those contracts aren't permanent. As is usually the case, new contracts will take into account the capabilities of new technologies. So, interpretation issues will go away as relevant terms are agreed to by the parties. The networks just want to get paid more. They likely will be able to squeeze out a little extra in exchange for allowing cable companies to provide this flexibility to customers. But, it'll be a win-win for everyone - customers will have greater flexibility at a relatively small marginal cost. I'd guess that early on, they'll be an optional charge that lets end customers choose to have this ability. But, eventually, it will just be part of the package - what's expected from content distributors. This is the direction in which content delivery is going - great flexibility and consolidation (read: cost efficiency) of the pipelines (as regards different content types).

This is what I was talking about a year ago when I spoke of how much these kinds of devices were going to change the way we do things (for the better). Content interaction is improving, and will continue to, and adapting itself to fit people, rather than people having to adapt themselves to fit content interaction (i.e. the delivery of content). These devices are a culmination, of sorts, of a long evolution. They are the realization of what various media delivery/interaction devices/forms - TVs, mp3 players, laptops, phones, book cases, magazine racks, game systems, DVD players, notepads - have always wanted to be. Those things obviously won't all be replaced in the short term, as they still offer some advantages (and some always will to some extent) and most distribution (and revenue) models are currently configured to work with them (and that will take time to change), but we are already seeing the changes. Tablets are revolutionary because, finally, something is 'good enough' with regard to some parameters - relating to the human condition, sensibilities, needs and expectations - to bring it all together and deliver it to us in a way that conforms to us, not vice versa.

Some people thought I was crazy when I said this kind of stuff a year ago, and some probably still do. But, we're seeing it happen (at a pace that even I did not expect), even if many aren't noticing the ground shifting below their feet. Such is the case with revolutions - the majority don't realize what's really going on until they are well under way. Let's see where we're at in 4 or 5 years. The proof of the pudding is in the eating, and most people/industry/entities are still yet to sample this pudding.
 

BigSlam123b

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There are no doubt legal issues with interpreting existing contracts (between content creators/providers and content distributors). And, the networks are of course going to try to argue that cable companies aren't entitled (under current contracts) to allow users to view their content this way, just as the cable companies are going to argue to the contrary. I'm obviously not familiar with the exact wording and terms of the contracts, but my guess would be that the cable companies are more right.

That said, those legal issues are temporary. Those contracts aren't permanent. As is usually the case, new contracts will take into account the capabilities of new technologies. So, interpretation issues will go away as relevant terms are agreed to by the parties. The networks just want to get paid more. They likely will be able to squeeze out a little extra in exchange for allowing cable companies to provide this flexibility to customers. But, it'll be a win-win for everyone - customers will have greater flexibility at a relatively small marginal cost. I'd guess that early on, they'll be an optional charge that lets end customers choose to have this ability. But, eventually, it will just be part of the package - what's expected from content distributors. This is the direction in which content delivery is going - great flexibility and consolidation (read: cost efficiency) of the pipelines (as regards different content types).

This is what I was talking about a year ago when I spoke of how much these kinds of devices were going to change the way we do things (for the better). Content interaction is improving, and will continue to, and adapting itself to fit people, rather than people having to adapt themselves to fit content interaction (i.e. the delivery of content). These devices are a culmination, of sorts, of a long evolution. They are the realization of what various media delivery/interaction devices/forms - TVs, mp3 players, laptops, phones, book cases, magazine racks, game systems, DVD players, notepads - have always wanted to be. Those things obviously won't all be replaced in the short term, as they still offer some advantages (and some always will to some extent) and most distribution (and revenue) models are currently configured to work with them (and that will take time to change), but we are already seeing the changes. Tablets are revolutionary because, finally, something is 'good enough' with regard to some parameters - relating to the human condition, sensibilities, needs and expectations - to bring it all together and deliver it to us in a way that conforms to us, not vice versa.

Some people thought I was crazy when I said this kind of stuff a year ago, and some probably still do. But, we're seeing it happen (at a pace that even I did not expect), even if many aren't noticing the ground shifting below their feet. Such is the case with revolutions - the majority don't realize what's really going on until they are well under way. Let's see where we're at in 4 or 5 years. The proof of the pudding is in the eating, and most people/industry/entities are still yet to sample this pudding.

While your opinion is valid, it is still just an opinion. Hulu is a great example of losing content and not getting it back. Several networks pulled their content off of Hulu a couple of years ago and it never returned. You may be right, or you may not. Only time will tell.


And please keep your response to 2 paragraphs or less.
 

Tell me about it. :lol:



Some assorted commentary on the content distributors - content providers/creators dispute:

TV Everywhere Battle - CNBC

Streaming Live TV - CNBC

Cablevision Channels Its Own Netflix - TheStreet

What You Should Know About iPad App Flab

Top 10 Ways the iPad is Changing Cable

Also, Cablevision over the weekend released its own iPad App, which will allow Optimum subscribers to stream content. At first glance, its app appears to be more comprehensive (with regard to available content) than Time Warner's. I've read that Comcast is working on an app as well.

I would note though that, while these conversations currently refer mostly to iPads, other platforms will at some point work out acceptable cross-device standards, and have enough units in consumers' hands, so that it is appealing enough for providers to develop similar apps for them. I've little sense whether that will be 1 month or 18 months though.
 

BigSlam123b

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Could you post some pictures of the thing on here?

Also did you get the keyboard for it?

I got the case, dock, and keyboard for it. This is the only picture I currently have. I love this thing. I have no complaints about it, only praise.
 

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... with Apple, it's not about a list of features - it's about how well it does what it does. How intuitive it is. The reality that it just works - well. How efficient it is. The fit and finish. The smoothness. The physical sturdiness. The elegance of the industrial design. All sorts of things that are hard to quantify, but easy to appreciate - the things that really matter when the hands meet the devices.

And sometimes this can lead to a future of misery. :cussing: I still detest, and refuse to use unless there's no other option, the trackpad on a laptop computer. I carry a mouse and mouse pad with every one. The reason? My first laptop was (1991) an Apple PowerBook 165c. The trackball, and the arching mouse buttons above and below it on the original PowerBook line (see picture), were, as a touch-typist, implements of such grace and smoothness to me that only such wussy, non-quantifiable terms as grace and smoothness can be used to describe them. The trackball could be rolled with my right or left thumb with a natural, fluid motion from the space bar, either thumb could click just as effortlessly, and I could click and hold with the heel of my right palm while rolling with the thumb! If I weren't so old now I might orgasm just remembering it! :killingme But I suppose the real estate occupied by the bottom of the ball was just too valuable, and Apple dropped it for the trackpad when the newer line of laptops came out. DAM THEIR ROTTEN SOULS TO H-LL!
 

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Baz

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And sometimes this can lead to a future of misery. :cussing: I still detest, and refuse to use unless there's no other option, the trackpad on a laptop computer. I carry a mouse and mouse pad with every one. The reason? My first laptop was (1991) an Apple PowerBook 165c. The trackball, and the arching mouse buttons above and below it on the original PowerBook line (see picture), were, as a touch-typist, implements of such grace and smoothness to me that only such wussy, non-quantifiable terms as grace and smoothness can be used to describe them. The trackball could be rolled with my right or left thumb with a natural, fluid motion from the space bar, either thumb could click just as effortlessly, and I could click and hold with the heel of my right palm while rolling with the thumb! If I weren't so old now I might orgasm just remembering it! :killingme But I suppose the real estate occupied by the bottom of the ball was just too valuable, and Apple dropped it for the trackpad when the newer line of laptops came out. DAM THEIR ROTTEN SOULS TO H-LL!

I love my optical trackball mice.
 

ylexot

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And sometimes this can lead to a future of misery. :cussing: I still detest, and refuse to use unless there's no other option, the trackpad on a laptop computer. I carry a mouse and mouse pad with every one. The reason? My first laptop was (1991) an Apple PowerBook 165c. The trackball, and the arching mouse buttons above and below it on the original PowerBook line (see picture), were, as a touch-typist, implements of such grace and smoothness to me that only such wussy, non-quantifiable terms as grace and smoothness can be used to describe them. The trackball could be rolled with my right or left thumb with a natural, fluid motion from the space bar, either thumb could click just as effortlessly, and I could click and hold with the heel of my right palm while rolling with the thumb! If I weren't so old now I might orgasm just remembering it! :killingme But I suppose the real estate occupied by the bottom of the ball was just too valuable, and Apple dropped it for the trackpad when the newer line of laptops came out. DAM THEIR ROTTEN SOULS TO H-LL!

I fondly remember the trackball that came with a laptop my dad brought home from work. It was separate from the laptop, but could be plugged into/attached to either side (good for righties or lefties). Brilliant design!
 

Baz

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Hey BigSlam, now that you've had your Xoom for a little bit, have you noticed anything that made you think "I'm kinda wishing this thing ran windows instead of android"?

Outside of any Office-specific things, anyways. Just wondering how well-rounded the 3.0 experience is.
 

BigSlam123b

Only happy When It Rains
Hey BigSlam, now that you've had your Xoom for a little bit, have you noticed anything that made you think "I'm kinda wishing this thing ran windows instead of android"?

Outside of any Office-specific things, anyways. Just wondering how well-rounded the 3.0 experience is.

Truthfully I haven't touched my laptop since I got the Xoom. I love it more and more everyday. I use it to create Office documents, edit AutoCad documents, of course surf the web and play games, listen to online music, etc.. As much as I love Win7 I think I love the Xoom more. I really can't think of anything Windows can do that this thing can't, including downloading torrents.
 
Truthfully I haven't touched my laptop since I got the Xoom. I love it more and more everyday. I use it to create Office documents, edit AutoCad documents, of course surf the web and play games, listen to online music, etc.. As much as I love Win7 I think I love the Xoom more. I really can't think of anything Windows can do that this thing can't, including downloading torrents.

That's been my experience as well. As I indicated previously, tablets are revolutionary devices that will change the way we do many, many things. Corporations have been acknowledging (e.g. in conference calls) how they are already eroding demand for laptops. They aren't just play toys (though they do make great play toys).

Every week new apps are coming out (e.g., the Crackle App that Sony released this week) that evince the point - the way we interact with and consume content, and the way we perform many work/educational/organizational/communicative functions, is changing quickly and tablets are making the transformations ever more possible.
 

Baz

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Truthfully I haven't touched my laptop since I got the Xoom. I love it more and more everyday. I use it to create Office documents, edit AutoCad documents, of course surf the web and play games, listen to online music, etc.. As much as I love Win7 I think I love the Xoom more. I really can't think of anything Windows can do that this thing can't, including downloading torrents.

Cool!

While I figured I would really enjoy the whole "tablet experience", I just assumed there would be a thing here or there that Android would hiccup on, that would send me to my desktop to accomplish. I would have been fine with that as long as it wasn't often.

Sounds like that may not be an issue. Thanks! :yay:
 

BigSlam123b

Only happy When It Rains
Cool!

While I figured I would really enjoy the whole "tablet experience", I just assumed there would be a thing here or there that Android would hiccup on, that would send me to my desktop to accomplish. I would have been fine with that as long as it wasn't often.

Sounds like that may not be an issue. Thanks! :yay:

If you go the Tablet route you will definitely be pleased. Android offers so many Apps and services that the PC can't. There are apps for everything. Whether it is streaming your favorite shows/movies, working, or just having fun, this thing fits the bill.
 

Baz

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If you go the Tablet route you will definitely be pleased. Android offers so many Apps and services that the PC can't. There are apps for everything. Whether it is streaming your favorite shows/movies, working, or just having fun, this thing fits the bill.

Looking forward to it. Just read the Transformer will be released on the 26th, which is when I will finally take the plunge.

$399 for 16GB, $499 for 32GB, and $150 for the dock/keyboard.

But why pay an extra $100 for the 32GB model when you can grab a 32GB micro SD card for $60?
 
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And sometimes this can lead to a future of misery. :cussing: I still detest, and refuse to use unless there's no other option, the trackpad on a laptop computer. I carry a mouse and mouse pad with every one. The reason? My first laptop was (1991) an Apple PowerBook 165c.



I have a 165, 185, 185c ....


for web browsing you cannot beat the new 3 inch track pad, (Mac Book Pro 17 inch) and the "hand" gestures for navigation .... :buddies:


and for the record I carry a M$ 5 button mouse for gaming when I boot into windows 7 .... :whistle:
 

Baz

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Well, so much for the 26th, ASUS totally botched this launch. Rumors of the launch date getting pushed back were caused by huge supply shortages in Europe and Asia. Seems ASUS severely underestimated demand. But they insisted it would launch in the U.S. on the 26th.

It did. Kind of.

Supply was so limited, Transformers were only available online. None available in B&M stores. And all available units were apparantly sold out by 3-4am. The only "available" ones are now being sold for close to $600 (16 GB, tablet only) by price gouging resellers. No thanks.

Not only that, but the keyboard dock wasn't available at all. Early May is the rumor for that to be available.

I guess it's good news for ASUS, their product is in high demand. As long as frustrated customers don't give up and buy someone else's tablet.

Bad news for me. :mad:
 

BigSlam123b

Only happy When It Rains
Well, so much for the 26th, ASUS totally botched this launch. Rumors of the launch date getting pushed back were caused by huge supply shortages in Europe and Asia. Seems ASUS severely underestimated demand. But they insisted it would launch in the U.S. on the 26th.

It did. Kind of.

Supply was so limited, Transformers were only available online. None available in B&M stores. And all available units were apparantly sold out by 3-4am. The only "available" ones are now being sold for close to $600 (16 GB, tablet only) by price gouging resellers. No thanks.

Not only that, but the keyboard dock wasn't available at all. Early May is the rumor for that to be available.

I guess it's good news for ASUS, their product is in high demand. As long as frustrated customers don't give up and buy someone else's tablet.

Bad news for me. :mad:

You can always get the Xoom and add the keyboard case when it is released next week. You may be happier in the end, even if you are spending a few more bucks. Just remember that you get what you pay for. Build quality is very important to me and I will choose the solid feeling Xoom over the plastic transformer everytime. Also, keep in mind that the Transformer did forgo some options to save some money in the build, such as a dual flash for the camera. It may not matter to you but it is a hint of possible other shortcuts taken to make the price lower.

Coming Soon - Official Keyboard Folio Case - xda-developers
 

Baz

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You can always get the Xoom and add the keyboard case when it is released next week. You may be happier in the end, even if you are spending a few more bucks. Just remember that you get what you pay for. Build quality is very important to me and I will choose the solid feeling Xoom over the plastic transformer everytime. Also, keep in mind that the Transformer did forgo some options to save some money in the build, such as a dual flash for the camera. It may not matter to you but it is a hint of possible other shortcuts taken to make the price lower.

Coming Soon - Official Keyboard Folio Case - xda-developers

You're right that I could get the Xoom, and I would have one by now if not for the Transformer. But I'm totally sold on what ASUS is putting out with the Transformer.

Even if it didn't have the keyboard dock which effectively turns it into a Honeycomb netbook, I'd still choose it due to the Gorilla glass, IPS screen. I can deal with the textured plastic back and lack of camera flash. I've got a camera that I use for pictures.

I'm just sick of waiting. Especially when the "launch date" gave me the impression I'd be getting one yesterday, not some unspecified time relatively soonish after yesterday.
 
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