brendar buhl
Doesn't seem Christian
What do you think Jesus meant when he said, "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow me."
Your Cross?
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Our cross are the burdens we bear. We each have trials in our lives. Push through them and keep following Jesus. Each Christian has a calling in God's plan. We need to take up that calling, job, and do it. Keep doing it.
Every Christian has this "cross."
Every Christian has this "cross."
That is in addition to our individual "burdens."
J
JPC, Sr.
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Jesus said it to anyone and everyone so it means whatever you yourself thinks it means.
What do you think it means?
brendar buhl said:
Jesus said it to anyone and everyone so it means whatever you yourself thinks it means.What do you think it means?
brendar buhl
Doesn't seem Christian
2ndAmendment said:
So, God's call and the result of following Christ is a burden? I wonder why Jesus chose to use the term "cross". Jesus also said to follow him because his burden is light.
Penn
Dancing Up A Storm
That saying comes from Matthew 17 : vs 24. Then verses 25 through 28 seem to explain His statement.
vs 25 says: "For whosoever shall save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it"
vs 26 explains further: "For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give for his soul?"
vs 27 an 28 add more rationale to His meanings.
I think He's saying - give up your own worldliness, it will get you nowhere, follow mine and you will receive everlasting life.
JMHO
vs 25 says: "For whosoever shall save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it"
vs 26 explains further: "For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give for his soul?"
vs 27 an 28 add more rationale to His meanings.
I think He's saying - give up your own worldliness, it will get you nowhere, follow mine and you will receive everlasting life.
JMHO
TexasPride77
Eat More Beef, Less Chkn
It is a burden - yes - because you will always been seen in an unfavorable light when trying to spread the Good News of Christ to the secular public. You will be persecuted in a variety of ways...by those who have not accepted Christ as their Lord and Savior. What is right...is not always popular.....what is popular is not always right.brendar buhl said:
It is the one thing which most will identify as being a symbol for the act of personal sacrifice (imo). I think that Jesus understood that people are more reactive to things which are physical in nature - that they can identify with. Simply saying that you need to sacrifice for sake of your salvation - may have been too abstract of a statement for people to understand the importance of the sacrifice itself. Back in the day folks sacrificed animals (lambs, doves, goats) for the atonement of their sins. The cross was a different form of sacrifice....it meant personal sacrifice... no animals...for atonement of sins. It was the individual Christian who is intended to bear the "pain" (inflicted by their peers) for choosing to follow Christ.brendar buhl said:
Another thing of consideration is the fact that the cross was used to punish criminals...because Christ was not a criminal but was crucified anyways...the act of carrying the cross is also a reminder of the trials of Christ. Chist was willing to allow himself to be tempted, tried, disputed, persecuted, and murdered ALL for the sake of saving all of God's children.....of which still wanted signs of miracles to prove Christ was who he said he was....up to the moment of his last breath. So, why not just stone Christ? Why crucify him….give him the worst known form of punishment at the time? I dunno…perhaps the people were so offended that their anger took the best of them…and made them not think clearly. Then again, considering the area and looking at present day happenings…I don’t think that those folks have ever been right in the head.
brendar buhl said:
2A will know the passage that talks about having faith the size of a mustard seed - and being able to move mountains. There is a lot that goes in to that. I think Christ was saying that through your faith, your ability to follow him will be not be a hard job....but not easy. A burden...whether light or heavy...is still a burden. No burden comes without inconvenience and/or pain.
Penn
Dancing Up A Storm
TexasPride77 said:
True enough.
One of His parables mention, or shall I say compare the Kingdom of Heaven and the growth of a grain of mustard seed:
Matthew 13: vs 31-32:
"Another parable He put forth unto them saying: The Kindgom of Heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field:
Which is indeed the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof."
J
JPC, Sr.
Guest
The Preacher!
It really is better if you do not let other people do the thinking for you.
God gave us brains and we are expected to use the brain. What other people think is their business. When you meet your Maker and say well the Bible said this and other people told me it meant that so you did not think for yourself.
The Bible is given to everyone and not for others to tell us what it says. If one knows how to read and write then one has the ability to understand the whole Bible with one's own mentality. Other people like preachers and Priest can help and even guide but ultimately one must make our own decisions and make our own beliefs for ourselves or else you have none.
brendar buhl said:
It really is better if you do not let other people do the thinking for you.God gave us brains and we are expected to use the brain. What other people think is their business. When you meet your Maker and say well the Bible said this and other people told me it meant that so you did not think for yourself.
The Bible is given to everyone and not for others to tell us what it says. If one knows how to read and write then one has the ability to understand the whole Bible with one's own mentality. Other people like preachers and Priest can help and even guide but ultimately one must make our own decisions and make our own beliefs for ourselves or else you have none.
TexasPride77
Eat More Beef, Less Chkn
JPC said:
God gave us community as well. We commune with others who share the same beliefs that we hold to be true. What do you do when you are not sure what to believe? You are only going to get so much understanding from text….and not everyone is as good as you are at reading between the lines. To obtain a greater knowledge of things, we ask questions. In response – you attack those who ask questions and imply that they are ignorant. THEY ARE retard!! Why do you think they are asking questions?? To get a deeper, more meaningful understanding of God’s word. I know, you don’t go to bible study do you? I’d question it if you did….after reading your post….I’d have to think that you didn’t use your own brain.
JPC said:
I half agree…. One will only understand text from the perspective that they see things….if they only see things from that one perspective…they become blind to the possible truth of things. What if their perspective is wrong…a misunderstanding? I guess then we have people actually murdering their children in the name of sacrifice for God. Perhaps we’d even have people who will accept all wording of the Bible as being literal. Again…its all based on a perspective. What if that perspective is wrong? Only way to right the wrong is to ask questions….get the needed understanding. We are all ignorant and NOT all-knowing of the lessons of life…
But then again – we don’t all have the honor of owning the name of JPC do we?
Once we gain a deeper understanding of the meanings of the Bible, then we can (as you said) “make our own decisions and make our own beliefs for ourselves”
Penn
Dancing Up A Storm
JPC said:
God gave us brains and we are expected to use the brain. What other people think is their business. When you meet your Maker and say well the Bible said this and other people told me it meant that so you did not think for yourself.
The Bible is given to everyone and not for others to tell us what it says. If one knows how to read and write then one has the ability to understand the whole Bible with one's own mentality. Other people like preachers and Priest can help and even guide but ultimately one must make our own decisions and make our own beliefs for ourselves or else you have none.
JPC, it seems as though brendar buhl is looking for interpretations, or even opinions, on Bible subject matter, that he or she is having a bit of trouble understanding.
True, opinions are like azz###les, and everybody has one, however, sometimes, maybe what that person simply needs is a germ of an idea, just a whisp, and that may further spur their understanding of a passage in the Bible.
If you truly understand every passage in the Bible, well sir, my hat is off to you. Even the greatest theologians have said they cannot explain every single statement God or Jesus has said in there.
They say, sometimes, there is just no answer to what a particular passage means.
Example: J. Vernon McGee, a noted pastor, radio broadcaster and college professor, who wrote a series of books on the Bible, titled "Through The Bible", came out and flat said "there are passages in the Bible that I simply
cannot explain, and when I get to those, I will tell you just that." (instead of trying to make something up, that I cannot find reference for.)
I read that quote from his Vol IV book, "The Four Gospels, including Acts and Romans."
J
JPC, Sr.
Guest
The Preacher!
I probably was a bit harsh in my post so I can only hope that the point was made without any confusion. For me I have studied many scriptures for many years and I find that asking religious questions to ther people is just giving away one's God given power and God given authority that all human beings already have. The true teachings of religion and from Crist is take up thy own cross (as was asked in the first post here) and that means we take up our own cross and do not be asking others to carry it for us by asking others the questions that one must find out for one self. Asking others for physical directions or for physical help and using the books and teachings of others is fine but the quest to answer our own questions is what our destiny and our birthright is all about. One must find their own answers.
Others here call names and do their secret karma name calling but I respect both the ignorant and the retarded as if they are my own bretheren.
I told and still tell others to use their own mind and their own conscience to find our own answers. Then the ignorance can end and enlightenment can begin. I trust their brains even if they do not.
I do not see that as correct. People ask questions because they do not like their own answers. If some other person tells them that wrong is right then the person can blame the other for that answer. It would be different if one can not read or write and then ask what does God say, but it is a lot less honorable to ask what does 2A say because they will not ask God on their own and 2A gives a more pleasing answer then what what the Bible says.
I have gone to Bible studies before and they are thoroughly irritating. And when I speak up to tell the class what the scriptures say they tend to get irritated too. So I do not like Bible study because they do not factually use the Bible to study but rather they have a person teacher that tells the class what they say the Bible says. Most people just do not want the truth. It could be out of fear, or hypocricy, but it sure is irritating.
It is okay to be wrong, it happens to us all, wrong will often come before getting it right, that is normal healthy growing. If some one knocks my down out of a mistake then it is far easier to forgive then one that does such things out of malice.
We can not run nor hide from such things. People today will have an abortion saying / believing it is the right thing to do. Saying it is right is a sacrifice to God. I say it is equivolent to a sin offering as done in the old Testement. They are wrong but it happens. We must see things for what it is.
There are some groups like the Jesus seminar that are trying to teach the public a more correct truth about the Bible so if one seeks the truth it is possible to find it. It was many years that I thought the Bible was literal and it was a shock to my self to find out the error but now I thank God for curing my own ignorance. I think this is particularly what needs to be taught to have a new revival and bury the old dead way.
It is okay to be wrong. Being wrong is the first step to becoming right.
We have to seek the truth by one self and the truth can be found - in full.
Amen, that is it right there.
TexasPride77 said:
I probably was a bit harsh in my post so I can only hope that the point was made without any confusion. For me I have studied many scriptures for many years and I find that asking religious questions to ther people is just giving away one's God given power and God given authority that all human beings already have. The true teachings of religion and from Crist is take up thy own cross (as was asked in the first post here) and that means we take up our own cross and do not be asking others to carry it for us by asking others the questions that one must find out for one self. Asking others for physical directions or for physical help and using the books and teachings of others is fine but the quest to answer our own questions is what our destiny and our birthright is all about. One must find their own answers.
TexasPride77 said:
Others here call names and do their secret karma name calling but I respect both the ignorant and the retarded as if they are my own bretheren.I told and still tell others to use their own mind and their own conscience to find our own answers. Then the ignorance can end and enlightenment can begin. I trust their brains even if they do not.
TexasPride77 said:
I do not see that as correct. People ask questions because they do not like their own answers. If some other person tells them that wrong is right then the person can blame the other for that answer. It would be different if one can not read or write and then ask what does God say, but it is a lot less honorable to ask what does 2A say because they will not ask God on their own and 2A gives a more pleasing answer then what what the Bible says.
TexasPride77 said:
I have gone to Bible studies before and they are thoroughly irritating. And when I speak up to tell the class what the scriptures say they tend to get irritated too. So I do not like Bible study because they do not factually use the Bible to study but rather they have a person teacher that tells the class what they say the Bible says. Most people just do not want the truth. It could be out of fear, or hypocricy, but it sure is irritating.
TexasPride77 said:
It is okay to be wrong, it happens to us all, wrong will often come before getting it right, that is normal healthy growing. If some one knocks my down out of a mistake then it is far easier to forgive then one that does such things out of malice.
TexasPride77 said:
We can not run nor hide from such things. People today will have an abortion saying / believing it is the right thing to do. Saying it is right is a sacrifice to God. I say it is equivolent to a sin offering as done in the old Testement. They are wrong but it happens. We must see things for what it is.
TexasPride77 said:
There are some groups like the Jesus seminar that are trying to teach the public a more correct truth about the Bible so if one seeks the truth it is possible to find it. It was many years that I thought the Bible was literal and it was a shock to my self to find out the error but now I thank God for curing my own ignorance. I think this is particularly what needs to be taught to have a new revival and bury the old dead way.
TexasPride77 said:
It is okay to be wrong. Being wrong is the first step to becoming right.
TexasPride77 said:
We have to seek the truth by one self and the truth can be found - in full.
TexasPride77 said:
Amen, that is it right there.
TexasPride77
Eat More Beef, Less Chkn
JPC said:
What direction is heaven? I’m trying to get there and I’m lost? I have been reading this map all day but there are so many lines that run this way and that, I’m confused. I just keep going in circles with my life. I need someone to help point me in the right direction or better that – help me understand how to read this map. Can you help me JPC? Oh..sorry it is your policy not to help those lost… Its all right.. I’ll just keep on going in circles while you parade around with your “I’m going to heaven and you’re not cause you havn’t a clue” banner. I’ll respect you more now.
No…don’t mind me… really. The understanding of how to read this may will sink in via osmosis one day. Perhaps I may even run into someone like Moses who will give me a tablet of words which will help me in my quest for salvation. I hear he was a good guy… I dunno if I should trust him though…because he is a man and not God. He could have written the words on the tablet just to deceive me….although I don’t understand for what agenda he would base his motive on. Guess I’ll figure that out when I am burning in hell…..looking up at your banner. Thanks for lending a hand…brother?
It’s a good thing I was not looking for a sandwich, or directions to a shelter so I would have a place to lay my head. I understand - you would have told me that I would have to find those things on my own. Christians should not help one another after all. No, I just need to wait for God to enlighten me somehow so that I would have the knowledge needed to help myself. Then again, I did think that my fellow Christian brothers and sisters were the very blessings that God had sent to help me find the right direction to heaven and stay on course. Naw….that couldn’t be the case. Right JPC………JPC…..***where’d he go???***
***Looking up***
Oh…there you are….with your banner….go figure. Thanks …..umm…..bro?
He called it a cross because Christians then and now are persecuted, made fun of, and even killed. Try to live as a Christian in a Muslim country.brendar buhl said:
His burden is light. I love God. But trials and tribulation that the world heaps on Christians is not easy, therefore a burden or load, but easily bearable through God's strength.
Wrong again.Why do you think there are ministers, pastors, and teachers?JPC said:
By the way, who is Crist? Did you mean Christ? More properly, The Christ, as it is a title and not a name.
It is not bad for the blind to ask for help from those that see. It is not bad for the lame to ask for help from those that can walk. It is not bad for someone who is seeking God to ask those that know Him; some are appointed as teachers. You rely on your own "wisdom" and time after time it is so unwise. You should respect the ignorant and the mentally disabled (retarded is a disrespectful term for someone that says they respect those that have that disability). The ignorant don't know but can learn. The mentally disabled have problems discerning man's wisdom, but God grant them grace that those without that disability rarely find. You are neither ignorant nor mentally handicapped; you just make very poor decisions and do not learn well.JPC said:Asking others for physical directions or for physical help and using the books and teachings of others is fine but the quest to answer our own questions is what our destiny and our birthright is all about. One must find their own answers.
Now that is just a lie. I do not sugar coat anything. I quote the Bible. You, on the other hand, say that everyone goes to heaven. That is absolutely wrong and you have been told so by me and the two pastors at church and they finally told you it was a lie from hell from the pulpit because you would not believe them when they came to you and told you in private.JPC said:I told and still tell others to use their own mind and their own conscience to find our own answers. Then the ignorance can end and enlightenment can begin. I trust their brains even if they do not.
That is because you haven't got the foggiest idea of what the Bible really says and when you speak, what you say could lead someone away from Biblical truth into your fantasy land.JPC said:
You do not like anything or anybody that tells you that you are wrong. You don't know the truth; you only have your fantasies.JPC said:
You never, well rarely, see things the way they are. An abortion is not and is in no way similar to a sin offering to God. Not only that, no sacrifices are needed at all. All sacrifices are worthless; we can do nothing to deserve God's grace; God gave the only sacrifice ever needed for all time when Jesus died on the cross. Christians try live to please God to show our love for God because it is the right thing to do. You hardly ever see anything for what it is.JPC said:
The Jesus seminar is where you got the idea that satan and everyone is going to be saved. That is a lie from the pits of hell. You want to follow their teachings, because they teach what you want to hear. They "tickle" your ears.JPC said:
The Jesus seminar teaches myths and they fit right in with your fantasies. Also notice that those same passages instruct to "preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction." Instruction is most often received when someone asks a question.JPC, Sr., consider yourself reproved and rebuked again.
TexasPride77
Eat More Beef, Less Chkn
I knew it was just a matter of time before 2A tore that apart....lmbo
Penn
Dancing Up A Storm
JPC, I cannot call you a total idiot, no, just an idiot! You have gone and professed a lot of BS, and in the making, you have really pizzed 2nd A off with your rantings.
Me, I tried to mediate just a little, where I said some people have a hard time interpreting or wrapping themselves around what the meaning of some of Christ's sayings are trying to tell us, as Christians.
Sometimes, they merely need the gist of the thought, and they are more than ably equipped to grasp an intention or an idea.
You went totally overboard with your explanations and rationalizations.
Mostly, I'm sorry to see that you seem to live on another planet entirely.
I do wonder who is interpreting that Bible of your's, that you appear to be getting your information from. Because it's not the one I'm reading from.
We are supposed to be helping each other learn, appreciate and comprehend what our Bible is telling us. I do not see much help coming from your corner.
Me, I tried to mediate just a little, where I said some people have a hard time interpreting or wrapping themselves around what the meaning of some of Christ's sayings are trying to tell us, as Christians.
Sometimes, they merely need the gist of the thought, and they are more than ably equipped to grasp an intention or an idea.
You went totally overboard with your explanations and rationalizations.
Mostly, I'm sorry to see that you seem to live on another planet entirely.
I do wonder who is interpreting that Bible of your's, that you appear to be getting your information from. Because it's not the one I'm reading from.
We are supposed to be helping each other learn, appreciate and comprehend what our Bible is telling us. I do not see much help coming from your corner.
brendar buhl
Doesn't seem Christian
Wow. I was really surprised when I got on the computer to find all of this interest in the thread that I had posted. Come to find out, very little of the conversation had to do with the topic.
I will first respond to JPC: For someone who derides others for asking questions you sure do seem to have a lot of answers. In other words if we are to learn everything on our own then there is no need for you to tell us so. Let me figure out for myself that I have to learn everything on my own. Here’s a rhetorical question for you, I don’t want you to answer it lest you violate your own credo. If we are to “bear our own cross without relying on others to help", why did Jesus allow Simon to carry his cross? Aren’t we supposed to be imitators of Christ?
And now to everyone else, I enjoyed reading all of your ideas. I was not asking out of ignorance but rather to broaden my point of view on the matter.
Some of you expressed the classical explanation of the verse which is actually what I’ve been pulling away from lately, the idea that the Christian life is burdensome. It usually goes along with the idea that we need to wait until we pass from this world to the next to experience the “Kingdom of Heaven”. I’m wondering if in some ways we can’t pass from this world, after all John the Baptist preached, “The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand.”
I’ve been thinking lately about my human perspective and what it means to die to self. If I look at the context in the Gospel of Matthew Jesus says this about your “cross” right after he admonishes Peter for "having in mind the things of man instead of the things of God". I think that the “system” of this world (the things of man) is going to kill us. Its substance is the lumber of that cross upon which will hang the frame of our worldly self. I think that bearing our cross is the same dieing to self that Jesus mentioned earlier but now more vividly. But it is no burden, only the trading of the worthless things of this world for those of great value in the Heavenly Kingdom.
I will first respond to JPC: For someone who derides others for asking questions you sure do seem to have a lot of answers. In other words if we are to learn everything on our own then there is no need for you to tell us so. Let me figure out for myself that I have to learn everything on my own. Here’s a rhetorical question for you, I don’t want you to answer it lest you violate your own credo. If we are to “bear our own cross without relying on others to help", why did Jesus allow Simon to carry his cross? Aren’t we supposed to be imitators of Christ?
And now to everyone else, I enjoyed reading all of your ideas. I was not asking out of ignorance but rather to broaden my point of view on the matter.
Some of you expressed the classical explanation of the verse which is actually what I’ve been pulling away from lately, the idea that the Christian life is burdensome. It usually goes along with the idea that we need to wait until we pass from this world to the next to experience the “Kingdom of Heaven”. I’m wondering if in some ways we can’t pass from this world, after all John the Baptist preached, “The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand.”
I’ve been thinking lately about my human perspective and what it means to die to self. If I look at the context in the Gospel of Matthew Jesus says this about your “cross” right after he admonishes Peter for "having in mind the things of man instead of the things of God". I think that the “system” of this world (the things of man) is going to kill us. Its substance is the lumber of that cross upon which will hang the frame of our worldly self. I think that bearing our cross is the same dieing to self that Jesus mentioned earlier but now more vividly. But it is no burden, only the trading of the worthless things of this world for those of great value in the Heavenly Kingdom.
Penn
Dancing Up A Storm
Quoting brendar buhl:
"I’ve been thinking lately about my human perspective and what it means to die to self. If I look at the context in the Gospel of Matthew Jesus says this about your “cross” right after he admonishes Peter for "having in mind the things of man instead of the things of God". I think that the “system” of this world (the things of man) is going to kill us. Its substance is the lumber of that cross upon which will hang the frame of our worldly self. I think that bearing our cross is the same dieing to self that Jesus mentioned earlier but now more vividly. But it is no burden, only the trading of the worthless things of this world for those of great value in the Heavenly Kingdom."<!-- / message -->
That is what I was getting at when I posted Jesus' sayings in Mattew 17 vs 25 and 26.
To paraphrase Verse 26: What good does a man profit if, in the act, he loses his own soul? Or, what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
To me, He's talking about men delving too deep in worldliness, for their own sakes, and in the act, they lose their souls to another.(satan?)
"I’ve been thinking lately about my human perspective and what it means to die to self. If I look at the context in the Gospel of Matthew Jesus says this about your “cross” right after he admonishes Peter for "having in mind the things of man instead of the things of God". I think that the “system” of this world (the things of man) is going to kill us. Its substance is the lumber of that cross upon which will hang the frame of our worldly self. I think that bearing our cross is the same dieing to self that Jesus mentioned earlier but now more vividly. But it is no burden, only the trading of the worthless things of this world for those of great value in the Heavenly Kingdom."<!-- / message -->
That is what I was getting at when I posted Jesus' sayings in Mattew 17 vs 25 and 26.
To paraphrase Verse 26: What good does a man profit if, in the act, he loses his own soul? Or, what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
To me, He's talking about men delving too deep in worldliness, for their own sakes, and in the act, they lose their souls to another.(satan?)
J
JPC, Sr.
Guest
THE Preacher!
Well of course we need to help each other whether one is a Christian or not.
I am saying one must face God alone and thus have a personal relationship with God, and personal means alone and not with some other in the middle.
The Bible says here, Cursed is the man that trusteth in man," at Jerimiah 17:5-8, just click here for the text.
And it is "cursed" if one does otherwise.
TexasPride77 said:
Well of course we need to help each other whether one is a Christian or not. I am saying one must face God alone and thus have a personal relationship with God, and personal means alone and not with some other in the middle.
The Bible says here, Cursed is the man that trusteth in man," at Jerimiah 17:5-8, just click here for the text.
And it is "cursed" if one does otherwise.
J
JPC, Sr.
Guest
The Preacher!
That is the point in seeking out the truth (as Christ said to do) then you too will have the answers - but not some one else's answers posing as your own. That would be a lie. One must make the truth their own.
We do always learn from others, that is fine, but the final answer must be thy own. When a student is in school then one might ask the teacher how to do a math problem -or history or etc., but no one gets away with asking a true teacher just to give them the answers. If it happens then the teacher is not worthy of the student.
I love to answer questions as it does feed the ego, others surely feel the energy too, but it is like an addiction because it can be taken too far. Like teaching is not to be indoctrinating or brain washing.
The cross is more of a spiritual symbol more then a physical commandment. If I had to carry some heavy wooden cross then I would die in the process and I would most certainly sit down and refuse to do it. The point that most people do not know about Jesus carrying the physical cross is that he did it in defiance of the law. Jesus could have said "no" and He could have refused to carry it. I firmly believe He carried it as an act of defiance showing that He not only was not afraid of dying and not afraid or intimidated by their cross so that is why He willingly carried it. In jail no one does some thing willingly that they straight up do not want to do. Jesus could have had some one carry the damned thing all the way up the hill if Jesus has chosen to, but He carried the cross as His own testimony, the other guy that helped Christ carry it must have been amazed at the Christ.
When one commits an act of non violent civil disobediance then taking the punishment in full is the biggest part of the action.
brendar buhl said:
That is the point in seeking out the truth (as Christ said to do) then you too will have the answers - but not some one else's answers posing as your own. That would be a lie. One must make the truth their own.
brendar buhl said:
We do always learn from others, that is fine, but the final answer must be thy own. When a student is in school then one might ask the teacher how to do a math problem -or history or etc., but no one gets away with asking a true teacher just to give them the answers. If it happens then the teacher is not worthy of the student.
brendar buhl said:
I love to answer questions as it does feed the ego, others surely feel the energy too, but it is like an addiction because it can be taken too far. Like teaching is not to be indoctrinating or brain washing.
brendar buhl said:
The cross is more of a spiritual symbol more then a physical commandment. If I had to carry some heavy wooden cross then I would die in the process and I would most certainly sit down and refuse to do it. The point that most people do not know about Jesus carrying the physical cross is that he did it in defiance of the law. Jesus could have said "no" and He could have refused to carry it. I firmly believe He carried it as an act of defiance showing that He not only was not afraid of dying and not afraid or intimidated by their cross so that is why He willingly carried it. In jail no one does some thing willingly that they straight up do not want to do. Jesus could have had some one carry the damned thing all the way up the hill if Jesus has chosen to, but He carried the cross as His own testimony, the other guy that helped Christ carry it must have been amazed at the Christ.When one commits an act of non violent civil disobediance then taking the punishment in full is the biggest part of the action.