urfullofit
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Re: Re: Re: My question for McKay
Well, fullof it, I think McKay should answer the allegations. I just makes him look bad by trying to avoid it. But I think he'll beat Randall anyway so you're probably right - he doesn't have to.
Again, you're right - I think we're all aware of why McKay won't answer the allegations.
Oz
You're all F'in Mad...
I wouldn't answer them anyway, and I think that's the best political approach to take. It's a Catch-22 question to begin with. If he says "Yes" then that is political suicide. If he says "No" then all of these people who think they know the truth will call him a liar.
His sister left the company at the same time to run Woodburns with him, but no one ever called her a thief.
So, the FACT is that his parents are campaigning for him. The FACT is that he's been the COO of McKays for the last 10 years or so, and they're one of the biggest employers in the County. The fact that his sister has never been accused of anything. The fact that no charges were ever filed, or are pending. The facts answer the question that the rumor created.
If you reason through the facts, then the rumors become nothing more than jealousy being lipped around by a few people who continue to make themselves look silly. If the rumor had legs, St. Mary's Today would be walking it through their headlines.
Meanwhile Tommy is going to campaign himself right into local government, and be a pretty good commissioner for the people of St. Mary's.
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Randall has the momentum right now... I think you old rocky fans are finally coming around and now saying "If i vote for neither in the election Mckay can win, If i vote for Julie he doesn't stand a chance". Remember A no vote is a A vote for Mckay...DO u really want him to win?
What momentum? Do you have polling data to support this claim or is it just what you are being told by the adults working on her campaign? Remember the opinions of those not able to vote mean nothing on the big polling day.
The only thing Randall is inclined to do is to continue with private meetings against the open meeting requirements for commissioner meetings. To continue to think that she is in charge when in fact all she should do is chair the meetings as the at-large member. To continue to give tax money to private entities in excess of 1.2 million dollars. The rainy day and bond rating money is gone from the 2003 budget and the undesignated reserves are declining. Seems the current commissioners (under her dictatorial tutelage) like to spend our tax money or just give it away. They also seem inclined to issue contracts to some officials that exceed their term in office thereby hindering the future commissioners ability to accomplish changes in how the county is managed.
The more I hear and learn about her the more I will be sure to vote for McKay just to get her out of office. That is unless Rocky changes his mind on the write-in campaign then I would readily vote for him. He still has a couple of weeks to do that if he chooses. But one thing for sure is that I will vote and you can bet that I won’t vote for Randall. You can also be sure that I can convince others to realize that she isn’t who we need in that position. Is this what you meant by momentum – sliding backwards?
I disagree. I think honesty in government would be a refreshing change. I don't vote in St. Mary's anymore, but if I did I'd leave the Commissioner President blank or write in Mickey Mouse or something. If Tommy McKay said "Yes, I embezzled that money from my parents" I could respect his honesty. If he said, "I didn't do anything like that" I could respect him addressing the issue. As it stands, he's doing neither and it makes him look like a weasel and a crook in the grandest Clinton/Nixon style. The point now, to me, isn't whether he did or didn't - it's that he won't talk about it.
Not that it will hurt him on election day, but it would sure be nice to have an honest elected official for a change. It's kind of sad, really.
Again, I disagree. Rossignol has his pets and he picks and chooses what he thinks is news, like any other reporter. We all saw what he did to Dave Zylak when Zylak did nothing to deserve it.
Delilah903
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"FOUR OUT OF FIVE"
Vraiblonde,
I agree with you 100%. It would seem that all anybody on this issue wants is an answer to the question.
As far as my not voting being a vote for Julie, I can assure you that will never happen. I will vote for Tommy Boy on November 05, because I don't have a choice. All I can do is make sure that I also vote for Dement, Jarboe, Gass and Gray. At least then I will know there are five other honorable people on the Board to counterbalance having a sleezy president! I am first and foremost a Republican and even though I don't like my choices I would never vote for a Democrat!
Larry Jarboe, Joe Gass, Kenny Dement and Vernon Gray will definitely make excellent Commissioners. They will do everything in their power to make sure that the citizens of St. Mary's have a voice.
I also agree with your evaluation of Rossignol. If he were strictly looking at the facts and not being prejudicial, he would have never endorsed McKay to begin with. But I feel reasonably sure that if we keep an eye on the "St. Mary's Today" rag, we will begin to see more ads for McKays grocery stores.
Vraiblonde,
I agree with you 100%. It would seem that all anybody on this issue wants is an answer to the question.
As far as my not voting being a vote for Julie, I can assure you that will never happen. I will vote for Tommy Boy on November 05, because I don't have a choice. All I can do is make sure that I also vote for Dement, Jarboe, Gass and Gray. At least then I will know there are five other honorable people on the Board to counterbalance having a sleezy president! I am first and foremost a Republican and even though I don't like my choices I would never vote for a Democrat!
Larry Jarboe, Joe Gass, Kenny Dement and Vernon Gray will definitely make excellent Commissioners. They will do everything in their power to make sure that the citizens of St. Mary's have a voice.
I also agree with your evaluation of Rossignol. If he were strictly looking at the facts and not being prejudicial, he would have never endorsed McKay to begin with. But I feel reasonably sure that if we keep an eye on the "St. Mary's Today" rag, we will begin to see more ads for McKays grocery stores.
Jarboe has already made a great Commissioner.
Gass has good potential - not a double dealer or a stinkpot.
Dement is running a popularity contest - not sure what kind of Commissioner he'd make but he seems like a good enough guy.
Vernon Gray, I remember all too well from the First Colony meetings. He would definitely not be getting my vote. We'll just leave it at that.
Gass has good potential - not a double dealer or a stinkpot.
Dement is running a popularity contest - not sure what kind of Commissioner he'd make but he seems like a good enough guy.
Vernon Gray, I remember all too well from the First Colony meetings. He would definitely not be getting my vote. We'll just leave it at that.
tipsy mcgee
Always thirsty
Vrail, though I know Kenny Dement and he is just that, a very nice guy who would give you the shirt off his back, a lot of people, even close friends of his, think his candidacy is somewhat of a joke. Most people just don't believe he has the brain or book smarts to really be a decent commissioner. I don't say that in support of the hearsay or to try to undermine his campaign, but that is what I hear.
I am firm on three votes for commissioner -- Raley, Gass and Jarboe. I am totally on the fence with the commissioner president vote because I don't really like either one. I am also somewhat on the fence with Dement/Anderson because I pretty much despise Joe Anderson and am really not comfortable in giving a vote to Dement if he is not capable.
Did anyone else catch the article in yesterday's Southern Maryland Extra in the Post about the races down here? I forget if it was Hoyer or Glendening now, but they said the Republican ticket for Commissioners here in St. Mary's was a "disaster."
I am firm on three votes for commissioner -- Raley, Gass and Jarboe. I am totally on the fence with the commissioner president vote because I don't really like either one. I am also somewhat on the fence with Dement/Anderson because I pretty much despise Joe Anderson and am really not comfortable in giving a vote to Dement if he is not capable.
Did anyone else catch the article in yesterday's Southern Maryland Extra in the Post about the races down here? I forget if it was Hoyer or Glendening now, but they said the Republican ticket for Commissioners here in St. Mary's was a "disaster."
"The incumbents have fired back in various newspaper articles and garnered support in high places. U.S. Rep. Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md.), who is backing the incumbents, last week called the Republican slate "a nightmare.""
Oh please, Steny! This from the man who bucked his constituents to vote "No" to all 4 articles of impeachment against Clinton.
The Republican slate is no more of a "nightmare" than the Democratic one.
Oh please, Steny! This from the man who bucked his constituents to vote "No" to all 4 articles of impeachment against Clinton.
The Republican slate is no more of a "nightmare" than the Democratic one.
Oz
You're all F'in Mad...
Re: "FOUR OUT OF FIVE"
To acknowledge a rumor will give it a certain degree of credibility, and Tom McKay is too smart to do that. So, I'm 99.999% sure that there is not an answer forthcoming. That said, it doesn't matter. He's still a better choice, for reasons various people have illustrated here. Oliver Stone, call your office.
If answering the question is so very important, then where were the 4 guys you mentioned above, at the Forum last Thursday? Their empty chairs sure couldn't answer the questions at Ryken last week.
Kenny Dement gets a pass as his strategy has never been to go head-to-head with Anderson in a public forum. Dement is nobody's dummy, and will get along with whoever the other 4 commissioners are. This gives him an edge over Anderson and enough reason to vote for Dement in the General.
Larry Jarboe panders his small business background, but won't meet his "peers" in public? If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen! Finally a reason to vote for Marcel Brooks other than the fact that he is a nice upstanding guy.
Joe Gass could have taken some strides by attending. He represents himself well in a public forum, but failed to support a portion of the community that probably would support him. Very disappointing.
Vernon Gray said he wouldn't attend a forum before the primary election, but if he made it through, he would attend them all leading up to the General. Promise broken - bye-bye vote. Not to be missed though. Dan Raley is the better choice anyway.
One more thing here - The candidates have determined that there are NO party lines in this election. That's right. We're looking at 9 Democrats and 1 Republican. So, don't put your faith in your party if you need a "default" candidate. Put your vote on the best individual in each race. Julie was a Republican. All 5 Republicans were Democrats. Party lines mean nothing this year.
To acknowledge a rumor will give it a certain degree of credibility, and Tom McKay is too smart to do that. So, I'm 99.999% sure that there is not an answer forthcoming. That said, it doesn't matter. He's still a better choice, for reasons various people have illustrated here. Oliver Stone, call your office.
If answering the question is so very important, then where were the 4 guys you mentioned above, at the Forum last Thursday? Their empty chairs sure couldn't answer the questions at Ryken last week.
Kenny Dement gets a pass as his strategy has never been to go head-to-head with Anderson in a public forum. Dement is nobody's dummy, and will get along with whoever the other 4 commissioners are. This gives him an edge over Anderson and enough reason to vote for Dement in the General.
Larry Jarboe panders his small business background, but won't meet his "peers" in public? If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen! Finally a reason to vote for Marcel Brooks other than the fact that he is a nice upstanding guy.
Joe Gass could have taken some strides by attending. He represents himself well in a public forum, but failed to support a portion of the community that probably would support him. Very disappointing.
Vernon Gray said he wouldn't attend a forum before the primary election, but if he made it through, he would attend them all leading up to the General. Promise broken - bye-bye vote. Not to be missed though. Dan Raley is the better choice anyway.
One more thing here - The candidates have determined that there are NO party lines in this election. That's right. We're looking at 9 Democrats and 1 Republican. So, don't put your faith in your party if you need a "default" candidate. Put your vote on the best individual in each race. Julie was a Republican. All 5 Republicans were Democrats. Party lines mean nothing this year.
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Republicans Back out of Forum
In reading the paper the other day, it stated that the forum at Ryken was basically a Democrat backed, stacked forum. I think our republicans did right by not attending, it showed the stacked deck that they stood alone and their plan was foiled. What that showed me is that the DEMS are scared and that is a good thing. It is amazing how all of a sudden they are squirming to make things right...Sorry folks...4 years is enough. Bye bye to those in office.
In reading the paper the other day, it stated that the forum at Ryken was basically a Democrat backed, stacked forum. I think our republicans did right by not attending, it showed the stacked deck that they stood alone and their plan was foiled. What that showed me is that the DEMS are scared and that is a good thing. It is amazing how all of a sudden they are squirming to make things right...Sorry folks...4 years is enough. Bye bye to those in office.
Oz
You're all F'in Mad...
Re: Republicans Back out of Forum
A stacked deck is just silly. You're reading too much Rossignol.
Small businesspeople are typically your most conservative, politically and probably the majority vote Republican. The 4 who didn't show up, don't have an argument against the Democrats. ALL of these guys are DEMOCRATS! They are Republicans -only- to run for office. Their party affiliation at has no bearing on anything other than to discredit their argument that they are being picked on by organizations and Democrats.
If these guys won't answer questions BEFORE the elections, what answers are we going to get IF they are elected?
You don't RSVP, and then back out the day before. They made a mistake. I was about to vote for 3 of the 4 who didn't show up. They harmed themselves, and displayed their true colors, thankfully, before the election.
A stacked deck is just silly. You're reading too much Rossignol.
Small businesspeople are typically your most conservative, politically and probably the majority vote Republican. The 4 who didn't show up, don't have an argument against the Democrats. ALL of these guys are DEMOCRATS! They are Republicans -only- to run for office. Their party affiliation at has no bearing on anything other than to discredit their argument that they are being picked on by organizations and Democrats.
If these guys won't answer questions BEFORE the elections, what answers are we going to get IF they are elected?
You don't RSVP, and then back out the day before. They made a mistake. I was about to vote for 3 of the 4 who didn't show up. They harmed themselves, and displayed their true colors, thankfully, before the election.
I disagree with you. These folks may have been democrats at one time just as those who were democrats may have been republican at one time as well. At this point it doesn't matter now does it there are a bunch of people viing for positions that are going to affect us for the next four years out of all of them. I am confident that those running for County Commissioner will be majority of republicans. But again at this point it is the caliber of each person that we should be voting on not for the party line.
I do read The rag I will admit that. I read this article and was suprised by it I also had the opportunity to talk to Jarboe about the issue. It does not make these gentlemen look bad. They did this for the most part together they made a decision together...and they stood by it. If I were in the same situation I would have done the same thing. The republicans had no imput on how the forum would go. I do not thing that is fare. Now for you, if you are a democrat, I can see where you wouldn't feel this way. and if you vote the same bunch of loosers back in then you are the one who will be complaining for the next 4 years.
I do read The rag I will admit that. I read this article and was suprised by it I also had the opportunity to talk to Jarboe about the issue. It does not make these gentlemen look bad. They did this for the most part together they made a decision together...and they stood by it. If I were in the same situation I would have done the same thing. The republicans had no imput on how the forum would go. I do not thing that is fare. Now for you, if you are a democrat, I can see where you wouldn't feel this way. and if you vote the same bunch of loosers back in then you are the one who will be complaining for the next 4 years.
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Kain99
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Slanted
Nodnarb... Funny how you fail to hold anything against the Democrats for their unified failure to appear at the Board of Realtors Forum... Hmmm, could you be reading to much of the Enterprise?
Nodnarb... Funny how you fail to hold anything against the Democrats for their unified failure to appear at the Board of Realtors Forum... Hmmm, could you be reading to much of the Enterprise?
Oz
You're all F'in Mad...
Re: Slanted
I wasn't aware of that. Did they respond affirmatively, and then back out the day before like the 4 Republicans? Did they proceed to slam the Board of Realtors? If they backed out on their word at the last minute, and then abused the Board of Realtors, then YES they are no better.
As for my party affiliation, I am indeed registered as a Democrat. But, if you looked at my voting record, I'd qualify as more of a Reagan Democrat. I don't vote the party line. Before this, I would have voted 4 Republicans, but now I'm down to McKay and Mr. Softball.
I wasn't aware of that. Did they respond affirmatively, and then back out the day before like the 4 Republicans? Did they proceed to slam the Board of Realtors? If they backed out on their word at the last minute, and then abused the Board of Realtors, then YES they are no better.
As for my party affiliation, I am indeed registered as a Democrat. But, if you looked at my voting record, I'd qualify as more of a Reagan Democrat. I don't vote the party line. Before this, I would have voted 4 Republicans, but now I'm down to McKay and Mr. Softball.
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Kain99
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Re: Re: Slanted
Now here's where you get me! Honestly I can't speak on behalf of all the candidates but I know for certain that at least two of them declined immediately. To my understanding it was noted up front that the Republican candidates did not want to further enhance the enviroment of hate and discontent.
The decline wasn't based on a fear of the questions...These same candidates all attended the Leauge of Women voters forums and others where the audience posed questions that were answered.
The decline was simply based on the simple fact that the Democrats had launched a campaign in the Letters to the Editor to dishonestly slam and discredit their oponents.
I'll mention: The letter from Mary Ann Chasen that virtually ripped the guts out of Joe Gass for his attempts to install Library Smart Cards. She went as far to call his attempts unconstitutional.
Here's the kicker! This was not the ruling and guess what..... The Lexington Park Library is now installing these Smart cards based on meetings with Joe Gass.
Mary Ann Chasen is on the Library Board. She knew full well the intentions of the Lexington Park Library and others, when she wrote her don't vote for Joe Letter. This appeared to be a major move by the Democrats to injure an innocent and turn the tide.
The Republicans wanted no part of it and Declined. It's your vote and you are a smart guy.
The Democrats did not show at the Realtors Forum. My understanding is that they gave no notice and everyone sat around for 20 minutes waiting.
You can't rely on the press. Everyone LOVES Mr. Softball including me... How come you aren't pulling your vote for him? He declined the offer also?
Now here's where you get me! Honestly I can't speak on behalf of all the candidates but I know for certain that at least two of them declined immediately. To my understanding it was noted up front that the Republican candidates did not want to further enhance the enviroment of hate and discontent.
The decline wasn't based on a fear of the questions...These same candidates all attended the Leauge of Women voters forums and others where the audience posed questions that were answered.
The decline was simply based on the simple fact that the Democrats had launched a campaign in the Letters to the Editor to dishonestly slam and discredit their oponents.
I'll mention: The letter from Mary Ann Chasen that virtually ripped the guts out of Joe Gass for his attempts to install Library Smart Cards. She went as far to call his attempts unconstitutional.
Here's the kicker! This was not the ruling and guess what..... The Lexington Park Library is now installing these Smart cards based on meetings with Joe Gass.
Mary Ann Chasen is on the Library Board. She knew full well the intentions of the Lexington Park Library and others, when she wrote her don't vote for Joe Letter. This appeared to be a major move by the Democrats to injure an innocent and turn the tide.
The Republicans wanted no part of it and Declined. It's your vote and you are a smart guy.
The Democrats did not show at the Realtors Forum. My understanding is that they gave no notice and everyone sat around for 20 minutes waiting.
You can't rely on the press. Everyone LOVES Mr. Softball including me... How come you aren't pulling your vote for him? He declined the offer also?
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Oz
You're all F'in Mad...
Re: Re: Re: Slanted
The 4 Republicans attended the LoWV Forum in Leonardtown this past Wednesday?
And, let me get this straight? They backed out of the forums at the last minute because Mary Ann Chasen wrote a letter? You can type that and still vote for these guys? LOOK at what you wrote. A sweet little old lady has intimidated these 4 Republican kittens so much that they won't go out to a public forum?
Should they get elected, what happens when the citizens start throwing arrows and daggers at these guys for decisions they take while in office? They'll have far worse scrutiny that Mary Ann Chasen can dish out. That said, I hope they don't have to deal with that. They can't handle it, and that is already proven.
As for Mr Softball, he wouldn't go to a forum. As you said, he did decline. Too much class to accept and then back out the day before. Forums were never a part of his campaigning, and he makes no bones about that. He can get along with anyone, and that will serve him well should he be elected. That makes him the complete opposite of his opponent, and a good choice.
The 4 Republicans attended the LoWV Forum in Leonardtown this past Wednesday?
And, let me get this straight? They backed out of the forums at the last minute because Mary Ann Chasen wrote a letter? You can type that and still vote for these guys? LOOK at what you wrote. A sweet little old lady has intimidated these 4 Republican kittens so much that they won't go out to a public forum?
Should they get elected, what happens when the citizens start throwing arrows and daggers at these guys for decisions they take while in office? They'll have far worse scrutiny that Mary Ann Chasen can dish out. That said, I hope they don't have to deal with that. They can't handle it, and that is already proven.
As for Mr Softball, he wouldn't go to a forum. As you said, he did decline. Too much class to accept and then back out the day before. Forums were never a part of his campaigning, and he makes no bones about that. He can get along with anyone, and that will serve him well should he be elected. That makes him the complete opposite of his opponent, and a good choice.
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Kain99
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Slanted
Well Nodnarb... You must consider the source. I am just a lowly on-looker. Mary Ann is hardly a little old lady and her letter was one of many that flooded the Enterprise. In the interest of saving space, I cited her BS because personally I found her to be the most outrageous.
I can promise you that while her letter certainly brought certain issues to light It was not fear that held the Republicans back... It was class.
Your "facts" are loosely based. Kenny Dement attended every single forum before the Primary and also attended the Oct 17 forum held after the Chamber of Commerce Forum.
The Republicans have attended the LOWV forums before the primary and after.
Your vote is your business... I think we both know why you haven't omitted Kenny from your short list of Republicans. Could it be that your privy to just a little more inside info than you let on?
Well Nodnarb... You must consider the source. I am just a lowly on-looker. Mary Ann is hardly a little old lady and her letter was one of many that flooded the Enterprise. In the interest of saving space, I cited her BS because personally I found her to be the most outrageous.
I can promise you that while her letter certainly brought certain issues to light It was not fear that held the Republicans back... It was class.
Your "facts" are loosely based. Kenny Dement attended every single forum before the Primary and also attended the Oct 17 forum held after the Chamber of Commerce Forum.
The Republicans have attended the LOWV forums before the primary and after.
Your vote is your business... I think we both know why you haven't omitted Kenny from your short list of Republicans. Could it be that your privy to just a little more inside info than you let on?