2nd amendment? You don't need no stinking 2nd amendment!
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Chris0nllyn
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Too many side effects for me.
I hear ya. No one wants to catch "the gay".
black dog
Free America
My understanding from talking to my doctor just about using weed oil is, the Feds just allowed research for the last two years, and not alot has been done in that time.
Everything I read about with using weed oil is personal testimony and nothing more when reading about using it to help with Parkinson's and Diabetes..
It's not regulated, so you really don't know what's in that 100 dollar bottle you buy.
Lurk
Happy Creepy Ass Cracka
It's HIPAA not HIPPA.
I've seen a lot of contrary opinions, so your little picture fails to impress me.
black dog
Free America
That's part of the problem for lots of folks, it's just opinions, not facts..
So the 9th Circuit is picking and choosing which federal statutes it will deem enforceable.
Are you an illegal immigrant, that has been convicted of a crime? Sorry, can't enforce federal immigration law because we recognize sanctuary in the 9th circuit.
But hey, if you want to own a firearm,
BOP
Well-Known Member
Now, now, don't blame the poor 9th Circuit...they're only doing what their lord and master, the Won, has tasked them with doing. Just because their dark lord (snicker) is no longer in the White House, that doesn't mean he doesn't still control them.
"9th Circuit Court, I am your father!"
Inorite? It's like that HIV thing...that was hard to get rid of too.
LightRoasted
If I may ...
If I may ...
Define "unlawful". Reason being, in "law" words have different meanings. There is the standard Webster's dictionary for the plebs of society, then there is Black's Law dictionary. Also, in legislative law, certain key words are specifically defined within the text of the document. So unless one really knows "law" and the meaning and textual content of the legislative law in question, one really can't know if one is truthfully answering the question honestly.
If one is going to an authorized, (by law), medical marijuana dispensary having properly signed up for and registered, (by law), is that person an "unlawful user"?
By whose definition would someone be determined to be an "unlawful user" anyway?
Take the word "addicted". Is a person addicted as determined by a qualified medical doctor, a mental health professional, or as adjudicated by a court of competent justification? Or, is the person trying to figure out if they are addicted to something using their own definition and perception?
How about "any other controlled substance"? Is there a list at any firearms dealer that is a full and complete list of controlled substances for one to look over prior to answering that question? If not, then a person can't really answer the question honestly.
Words mean things, especially in this context. Knowing can make a world of difference. Without knowing the definition of all words used, in context, one can't make a fully informed decision or provide a truthful and honest answer.
And this is how government uses words to control people and why many convict themselves without even knowing the how or why of it.
Define "unlawful". Reason being, in "law" words have different meanings. There is the standard Webster's dictionary for the plebs of society, then there is Black's Law dictionary. Also, in legislative law, certain key words are specifically defined within the text of the document. So unless one really knows "law" and the meaning and textual content of the legislative law in question, one really can't know if one is truthfully answering the question honestly.
If one is going to an authorized, (by law), medical marijuana dispensary having properly signed up for and registered, (by law), is that person an "unlawful user"?
By whose definition would someone be determined to be an "unlawful user" anyway?
Take the word "addicted". Is a person addicted as determined by a qualified medical doctor, a mental health professional, or as adjudicated by a court of competent justification? Or, is the person trying to figure out if they are addicted to something using their own definition and perception?
How about "any other controlled substance"? Is there a list at any firearms dealer that is a full and complete list of controlled substances for one to look over prior to answering that question? If not, then a person can't really answer the question honestly.
Words mean things, especially in this context. Knowing can make a world of difference. Without knowing the definition of all words used, in context, one can't make a fully informed decision or provide a truthful and honest answer.
And this is how government uses words to control people and why many convict themselves without even knowing the how or why of it.
black dog
Free America
I can't answer most of your questions, I'm not a barred attorney, nor am I one of the vast Federal Attorneys that make the decision on how questions are written on the 4473 form..
But I'll go with, You are filling out a Federal Form so the use of Drugs that are illegal Federally will be unlawful. ( I'd ask the roomie, but I'm not interested in hearing a dissertation on this topic from her. )
The FFL dealer makes a yes / no decision on moving forward if a NICS check gets done on your answers that you fill out on the 4473... If you check a yes when it should be a no.... No gun for you.... It's really pretty simple..
Personally I don't see it any different than any other question on the 4473..
This is the conundrum. Under Federal regulation (not law), marijuana is classified as a controlled substance and state laws allowing medicinal use are not recognized.
Hence if a federal employee were to smoke some medical weed and then get pulled for a random drug test, they would be subject to discipline under the federal regulations barring the use of CDS.
So if you are citing federal law, and the case is tried in federal court, weed is illegal.
black dog
Free America
Obviously you never or haven't filled out a 4473 for quite a few years.
SamSpade
Well-Known Member
I'd like to see even one of those opinions. To my knowledge, the best it does is alleviate pain.
PsyOps
Pixelated
And for that I am very sorry for you.
Actually CDS schedules are defined under Federal law, specifically 21USC812, marihuana is a Schedule I substance.
LightRoasted
If I may ...
If I may ...
My reply wasn't meant to pin you down on your comments. It was meant just as an esoteric thought exercise on word usage and meanings. It does seem though that one really needs to be a lawyer nowadays to fully understand some of these questions on order to answer as truthfully as possible.
Did anyone know that the 'coca leaf' is on the "Controlled Substance List"? Which happens to be 16 pages long. And that's just for drugs. For chemicals there is a whole other list. To add even more confusion for a person answering that question, on the DEA's website it states. "These are not comprehensive lists so please note that a substance need not be listed as a controlled substance to be treated as a scheduled substance for criminal prosecution."
My reply wasn't meant to pin you down on your comments. It was meant just as an esoteric thought exercise on word usage and meanings. It does seem though that one really needs to be a lawyer nowadays to fully understand some of these questions on order to answer as truthfully as possible.
Did anyone know that the 'coca leaf' is on the "Controlled Substance List"? Which happens to be 16 pages long. And that's just for drugs. For chemicals there is a whole other list. To add even more confusion for a person answering that question, on the DEA's website it states. "These are not comprehensive lists so please note that a substance need not be listed as a controlled substance to be treated as a scheduled substance for criminal prosecution."
black dog
Free America
I understand what you are saying, but I still believe in my HS educated mind those questions on the 4473 are very easy to answer.. it's either yes, no or na.....
If I was a unlawful user I wouldn't purchase a firearm through a dealer, Club Fed's not for me.
