Mother, cancer-stricken son on the run

[Beaver-Cleaver]

It was mentioned day before yesterday. I may have misunderstood something that was said but I'm about 90 percent sure that's the case.

No, you're right.

And once again, the SOMD Righties are the whackjobs.

 

[sockgirl77]

Which religion are you allowing to be considered not nuts?

I'm just curious which ones you think fall under the first amendment and which ones don't.

As an adult you are free to choose whatever religion you wish and follow whatever ignorant views it has. However, this is a child. I think there are nuts in all religions. Nuts that put a book or a god before their own child.

 

[awpitt]

How much of your child's welfare are you willing to give over to the government? Because once you let them get a toehold, the floodgates will open. Some of you are insisting that this is for the good of the kid, even though he himself doesn't think so. So what else is "for the good of the children"? And what if next time it turns out to be your kid and your decisions that get usurped by government officials?

There's always going to be the "opening the flood gates" aurgument but I'm dealing with this case. If I were making choices that were likely to cause the death of one of my kids, I would hope someone (even the courts) would step in and put a stop to it.

Since the libs want a 13 year old to be able to have sex and get birth control and abortions without parental notification, do you not find it even slightly hypocritical that that same 13 year old should not be allowed to make other medical decisions for themselves?

Yes, it is hypocritical on the part of those who feel that way.

 

[Beaver-Cleaver]

Wow, y'all have managed to make it through 45 posts without using the words "socialist" or "communist".

 

[awpitt]

No, you're right.

And once again, the SOMD Righties are the whackjobs.

I wouldn't call them whackjobs. They make a valid aurgument. There are too many cases where someone reports a child having a scratch to CPS. The CPS comes in and destroys a family's life over nothing. But, that isn't the case here. We're talking about a kid who has a chance to live but that is being taken away by his mother.

 

[Beaver-Cleaver]

I wouldn't call them whackjobs. They make a valid aurgument. There are too many cases where someone reports a child having a scratch to CPS. The CPS comes in and destroys a family's life over nothing. But, that isn't the case here. We're talking about a kid who has a chance to live but that is being taken away by his mother.

I was speaking of these:

Yes.

As much as I don't agree with her decision, and think that she is a complete nutball, the government should have no say whatsoever. It is the slippery slope of more and more government encroachment in to our lives. Do you want the government making medical decisions for your family?

The courts shouldn't have a say in which parent has the best interests of the child in mind?

I hope they continue to fight. I know there have been other cases in the U.S. where teens have fought against forced chemo (one in particular in Va.that resulted in a law to protect teens from just this kind of mess) and have won.

Links? Were both parents unanimously against it? Were the kids mentally capable of making a mature decision?

I'm with you, girl

I hate to lump you in Vrai, because we normally agree on social issues, but crazy is crazy. :shrug:

 

[sockgirl77]

Have fun Andy. I put my two cents in.

 

[This_person]

As an adult you are free to choose whatever religion you wish and follow whatever ignorant views it has. However, this is a child. I think there are nuts in all religions. Nuts that put a book or a god before their own child.

And it's all fine and dandy that you feel that way - you have that right - where do you draw the line on what a parent may choose for their child and what a parent does not have the right to choose for their child insofar as religion goes?

 

[Beaver-Cleaver]

I can't wait to see this episode of House.

 

[Christy]

The Natural Selection stuff may have been valid back in the cave man days but we've moved past that a long time ago.

Yeah, and look at how well that has served humanity.

 

[RareBreed]

I agree that the parents should be the ones to decide what's best for their kid, not the government. I also agree that letting your kid die from a curable disease is crazy. I just wonder if the mom has made things worse by taking the kid and running. What will be the consequence once they are found? Will it be worse or better had she and her kid stayed around and fought the fight?

 

[awpitt]

I agree that the parents should be the ones to decide what's best for their kid, not the government. I also agree that letting your kid die from a curable disease is crazy. I just wonder if the mom has made things worse by taking the kid and running. What will be the consequence once they are found? Will it be worse or better had she and her kid stayed around and fought the fight?

I haven't heard a whole lot about how aggressive the kid's cancer is but it is possible that if he doesn't start the treatment soon, it may get to the point of no return.

 

[This_person]

And the Supreme Court upholds that. As an adult you are allowed to deny treatment on religious grounds, because you are capable of making the decision.

Who makes the decision for the child too young to decide for themselves?

Do you want it to be laundry basket baby Barry, or the parent? Not just any parent, but the parent of the child in question?

If someone thought your ideas were wrong, would you think it appropriate to give up your parental authority to the state?

 

[This_person]

Same as the law handles cases when religion isnt used; when it endangers the child.

The first amendment makes that not a realistic option.

 

[This_person]

We arent talking about making a child wear last years fashions, we are discussing Neglect and Harm

It's really a basic question - is the first amendment meant for the parents of children or not?

 

[Cowgirl]

So I'm curious. Those of you who are against abortion for embryo and fetus rights, are you against this 13 year old child having the right to live?

 

[Christy]

So I'm curious. Those of you who are against abortion for embryo and fetus rights, are you against this 13 year old child having the right to live?

Good question.

I'm against abortion and I'm also against the decision this woman and her son have made. I think both decisions are barbaric, but that doesn't give me or the government the right to impose our will on somebody else. :shrug:

 

[MysticalMom]

Links? Were both parents unanimously against it? Were the kids mentally capable of making a mature decision?

Here's just one of MANY
FOXNews.com - Teen Refused Chemo, Beat Cancer With 'Alternative' Therapies - Health News | Current Health News | Medical News

And look up Abraham's Law.

I don't understand why you guys think that just because this boy can't read that means he's stupid. And just because the family chooses a religion that's not "normal" to YOU, they're crazy?

Just for the record....the father was against the chemo too in the beginning and is JUST coming around to being ok with the idea after all the pressure from the courts and the media. Don't ANY of you watch late night Headline News and issues?

Personally... ( and this is ONLY my opinion)I think the father is reduced to saying what he thinks he HAS to say at this point. I think he KNOWS where his family is and he's not stupid.

I am sorry this little boy might die. But I'm not sorry that his parents (ok ok .. it's just his mom NOW ) are fighting for their parental rights and religious freedoms.

And since I'm starting to repeat myself, since you already know where I stand and since no matter the argument I will never change my mind about this issue, I'm going back to my nice safe private forum.

 

[Bann]

How much of your child's welfare are you willing to give over to the government? Because once you let them get a toehold, the floodgates will open. Some of you are insisting that this is for the good of the kid, even though he himself doesn't think so. So what else is "for the good of the children"? And what if next time it turns out to be your kid and your decisions that get usurped by government officials?

Since the libs want a 13 year old to be able to have sex and get birth control and abortions without parental notification, do you not find it even slightly hypocritical that that same 13 year old should not be allowed to make other medical decisions for themselves?

Exactly. Very convoluted.

I'm on the "government should stay out of it" side of things, but all along I've felt there was more to this story. I didn't keep up with it, so I'm not sure of all the details even still. I thought I heard/read one blurb that the parents weren't exactly on the same page with what type of treatment to use. IF that's the case, it changes things - they need to be in agreement & I guess the government would be the one to settle the differences.

Otherwise, the government really should stay out of people's lives. Pretty soon they'll be telling us to use Tylenol over Advil and throwing our tails in jail if we don't put Scooby Doo bandaids on within 5 minutes of a scrape on the knee, etc.

 

[Bann]

The State is looking out for the welfare of the child. That child's parent is not making a sane decision.

Are there definitions of "sane decisions" in the Minnesota State laws?

What kind of treatment do you use for a scraped knee? What kind of treatment do you use for a 2nd degree burn on a hand? How long do you wait to change a diaper on a baby? Do/did you use disposable diapers or cloth? Did the baby ever get a rash from wearing either of those types of diapers? Did you use baby formula? What kind? If not - how long did you nurse? Did your baby ever get sick when it was an infant? Could it have been the formula? Maybe it got a tummy ache from something you ate, if you nursed?

Yes, cancer is life & death. But suppose the government thinks you don't make the right decision in any of these "less serious" scenarios? Suppose they think you're not making sane decisions?

What then?