TheLibertonian
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No man remember, the military isn't part of the government, it's the military. Come on get on script my man.
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No man remember, the military isn't part of the government, it's the military. Come on get on script my man.
Larry Gude
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I'm not insensitive to the argument. I can see and argue a 'difference' but that's not my interest here. More so some sort of intellectual consistency with which to build off of. For instance, like TSA, forcing us to take our shows off, DHS, Pat Act, if a GOP potus said "We gotta arm the IRS" GOP'ers would cheer. If a D potus does it, it's an awful idea. The problem is what ANY president does, does not leave with them. So, if the IRS is training folks and there are a few more qualified people with sidearms walking around AND allowed to engage or support the cops if something happens, seems like a good idea to me.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
Last I checked, most members of the military and the gummint are...us.
This_person
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I think it's an awful idea either way :shrug:
This_person
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NO, they're not. They're the government.
You can agree that the military is separate from "government" - to a certain degree. It makes sense for military to be armed like it makes sense for the police to be armed - they're all government, but it's their job.
The idea is simply that if one is in government service, one may have a weapon to conduct that government service (only); but, if one is not in government service, one may not (by the way many gun laws are trying to go). Since the militia discussed in the 2A is non-government service people to protect the nation, and the prohibition provided in the 2A is against government intrusion into the citizens' rights, and the point was to allow for an overthrow of the government should one become necessary, it is immensely important to differentiate between citizens who are in government service and those who are not.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
I've met many of them. Yes, they are us. Friends, family, neighbors. I don't fear this enormous 'THEY' thing where the IRS is being armed to round people up and put us all in cages. Individuals, sure but even that requires an awful many good people to stand by or become active participants.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
An assumption; you think it's fine for you and I to be keeping an bearing?
This_person
Well-Known Member
Certainly, citizens are citizens. As a vet, I can tell you that I am a citizen, and was when I was in the service.
The idea is not to fear the specific "IRS is being armed to round people up" conspiracy thought. The idea is to understand that government should have limited arms, and citizens should not. The question should never be, "why not" to arming government, it should always be "why". And, the answer should be reviewed with extreme skepticism.
Think FDR's internment camps. Think Buck v. Bell - if they can do that, what stops them from killing "undesirables"? I mean, 33 states had eugenics programs, and some didn't end until Reagan was president.
This_person
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Of course, making the assumption you are not a felon convicted of improperly using a firearm at least twice.
Larry Gude
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This_person
Well-Known Member
Right.
Well, OK, so, why wouldn't we want IRS agents to be packing?
Wrong question. Why would we want/need to pay for IRS agents to be packing? What purpose does them keeping and bearing arms that you pay for do for you as a taxpayer? Go in with the assumption that they are not packing for their personal protection, because it does not seem to be a personal choice when you, the taxpayer, fund it.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
I, for one, and happy to have MORE guns than less. I have ZERO problem with our employees, trained and kept trained up, conceal carrying. I like cops taking cars home and using them. I like armed people. :shrug:
This_person
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Why do you want more armed government? Would you pay for the DMV being armed, while there's a sign on the door disallowing you to enter with a weapon?
Larry Gude
Strung Out
You're operating in a zero sum game. To say I agree that more armed civil servants is a good thing is not to say I agree less armed civilians is a good thing.
This_person
Well-Known Member
I don't think it's an either/or, I just think less armed government is better. As I say, what is the purpose of them being armed? Their not arming themselves - I'm all for that. The government is arming them. That's a very different thing.
PsyOps
Pixelated
Are you purposely conflating two different things? Arming our government in the capacity of their jobs vs those same people being armed as private citizens?
PsyOps
Pixelated
But that's not why they are arming agencies like the IRS. They are being armed as enforcement/police-like forces. They don't have these guns to protect themselves; they have them to use against US.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
So, we come full circle. They are us.
TheLibertonian
New Member
Larry. Get on script.
As soon as you work for the goernment (except the military and the literally millions of DoD contractors) your brain is instantly taken over by the Oppressor Virus, where you become a full supporter of violent oppression.
