These kids are in for a rude awakening...

[Wishbone]

Oh yes by all means run back the most extreme examples of the past .... fine enjoy the generations of pussies that have been raise

It's stuff like that, that convinces me Larry is a closet Democrat.

 

[Larry Gude]

Oh yes by all means run back the most extreme examples of the past .... fine enjoy the generations of pussies that have been raise

Extreme? No, those would be central to life in the good old days. Extreme would be when Master actually killed a slave for disobedience or beat his wife to death or killed a ### or actually killed everyone in a tribe or put them on a trail of tears. All the rest was simply the threat of it because that was what would happen to you if you didn't obey.

 

[Larry Gude]

It's stuff like that, that convinces me Larry is a closet Democrat.

We're all alike in that we all have our own weakness's and shortcomings and blind spots. You've got yours and I gots mine, brother.

 

[Toxick]

So, please. What era do you want your kids to be living in?

Preferably some era in the future, where human rights do, in fact, exist - yet men have testicles that proudly swing, and "strong women" are actually strong women, instead of entitled salty ####s.

 

[luvmygdaughters]

my 30 yr old still doesn't drive .... and no one is going to force him to get a JOB as long as his grandmother enables him to be lazy

at least he is a 'role model' to his 12 yr old sister - how NOT to be when you grow up.

My husbands son is 35 years old, lives in our basement and has done so for the past 6 years, he does have a job, which his father got for him, no drivers license and no ambition to get one or better his situation. BTW, before he moved to our basement, he was living in his momma's basement. Why some of these women mollycoddle their sons, I have no idea!! You are not doing his future wife/girlfriend any favors by doing so!!

 

[This_person]

Dur! I read his post as "an exception to the rule" He is definitely the exception. He has always had a strong work ethic. 99% of his friends would rather do nothing.

No offense - I am sure you are proud of your 16 year old and should be. But, not the exception.

To be fair, the OP is the exception. I have four great kids who work hard and earn what they get and complain - but no more than I did when I was young. They have hard-working and lazy friends - just like we did. They scoff as much at this PC crap as we do. I suspect your kid is the same in all of those respects.

Larry is sorta right that we are feeling it like our parents and grandparents did, Vrai is kinda right that the reason is that the weak ones are even weaker than the generation before. But, the long and the short of it is, most kids and younger adults are not like this. That's why these things stand out.

I think it is more than ok to want your kids' lives to be easier than yours, but they still need to earn it. Most (by far) know that, and accept it.

 

[Wishbone]

What do they intend to do when Momma and Papa croak?

They have to know, it's gonna happen.

 

[RareBreed]

My husbands son is 35 years old, lives in our basement and has done so for the past 6 years, he does have a job, which his father got for him, no drivers license and no ambition to get one or better his situation. BTW, before he moved to our basement, he was living in his momma's basement. Why some of these women mollycoddle their sons, I have no idea!! You are not doing his future wife/girlfriend any favors by doing so!!

My sister in law moved in with her parents because she was a raging alcoholic who hadn't worked in years. She sobered up and got a job. That was about 20 years ago... and she is still living with her parents. She has no intentions of moving out. Why would she? She pays for nothing.

 

[This_person]

So, what you're saying is that we should have kept slavery, women under wraps, gays in the closet and treat everyone not like us as a lesser being? That way, the kids would be working as hard as us and our predecessors keeping all those people under control and America would be great again?

The Greatest Generation fought a war against national socialists, people very much like us, in order to make the world safe for communism, people we had virtually nothing in common with, for the next 50 years. Now, they were tougher and more resilient, right? Or simply too obedient to know any better?

We should have preserved the Robber baron era so that kids could work 7 days a week, 12 hours a day and be thankful to have the job?

I mean, pick a spot. Pick a time and tell me which one you want your kids to be living today. You guys totally buy into the each new generation is lamer than the last, a story that has been going on since the beginning of man, so, if that's the case, pick your time. Not one of these kids had a thing to do with Iraq or A'stan or Ferguson or immigration or healthcare or our foreign trade issues and they're the dummies and sissies?

So, please. What era do you want your kids to be living in?

You do know that one does not have to expressly desire a time before toilet paper and a time when surgeons washed their hands AFTER surgery instead of before to believe that it was better when the states knew and exerted their rights, right? I don't have to be suggesting white and free black people in equal percentages in slave owning states go back to owning slaves to think that - you know that, right?

There are philosophies and concepts that extend beyond ALL of the details of the time.

 

[luvmygdaughters]

My sister in law moved in with her parents because she was a raging alcoholic who hadn't worked in years. She sobered up and got a job. That was about 20 years ago... and she is still living with her parents. She has no intentions of moving out. Why would she? She pays for nothing.

I guess thats true, we do charge him $ 300.00 a month for rent, but that includes everything except meals. He doesnt like my cooking (not like his mommas). I told my husband, who is getting ready to retire, that he needs to find his own place because we want to sell our place and move south when I retire and I put my foot down...no way is BABYBOY COMING WITH US!!!!!

 

[PeoplesElbow]

I guess thats true, we do charge him $ 300.00 a month for rent, but that includes everything except meals. He doesnt like my cooking (not like his mommas). I told my husband, who is getting ready to retire, that he needs to find his own place because we want to sell our place and move south when I retire and I put my foot down...no way is BABYBOY COMING WITH US!!!!!

Where is his mamma?

I know someone who has a very similar story, they had their 28 year old son at the army recruiter ready to sign the dotted line and he backed out at the last second. He still does nothing into his mid 30's.

 

[luvmygdaughters]

Where is his mamma?

I know someone who has a very similar story, they had their 28 year old son at the army recruiter ready to sign the dotted line and he backed out at the last second. He still does nothing into his mid 30's.

His mother died approximately 7 years ago. He continued to stay in the basement of the house she and her husband bought; after she died, her husband told him he was putting the house on the market, that was 6 years ago...he still hasnt moved. I think it was a ploy to get little lord fauntleroy out of his basement.

 

[Larry Gude]

Preferably some era in the future, where human rights do, in fact, exist - yet men have testicles that proudly swing, and "strong women" are actually strong women, instead of entitled salty ####s.

That's much more thoughtful than this old geezer and geezette on the porch pissing and moaning about 'kids these days' crap like leftovers from a bad Will Rogers commercial for grampers.

 

[BadGirl]

My sweet boy is 11, and I never want him to move out. Like, ever.

Of course, when he turns14, Imma gonna be singing a different tune, fer shur.

 

[This_person]

That's much more thoughtful than this old geezer and geezette on the porch pissing and moaning about 'kids these days'.

Why? It IS thoughtful to think about the status of "kids these days" compared against a standard, isn't it? I mean, I agree with you that the worst of kids these days are softer than the worst of kids our days, who were softer than kids of our parents days, etc., etc. Why is it more thoughtful to think about what could be later instead of thinking about what could be now?

 

[luvmygdaughters]

My sweet boy is 11, and I never want him to move out. Like, ever.

Of course, when he turns14, Imma gonna be singing a different tune, fer shur.

Yep, I remember when he was 11, cute kid, definitely spoiled by his momma, but tolerable. Whole different story now that he is...36

 

[Larry Gude]

You do know that one does not have to expressly desire a time before toilet paper and a time when surgeons washed their hands AFTER surgery instead of before to believe that it was better when the states knew and exerted their rights, right? I don't have to be suggesting white and free black people in equal percentages in slave owning states go back to owning slaves to think that - you know that, right?

There are philosophies and concepts that extend beyond ALL of the details of the time.

One can desire what one likes. However, if we're going to lament the passing of the good old days it has to be in context and it can't be a la carte. Each generation, each person, grew up on context of their times and you can't white wash in-pleasantries out of it. Philosophy can't remove context and perspective. Toox made a good post because philosophy, not to mention history, CAN help us to a better future.

In any event, it's predictable and useless to be the next in a long line stretching back to the first elders in the cave lamenting the uselessness and softness of the youngin's.

 

[Larry Gude]

Why? It IS thoughtful to think about the status of "kids these days" compared against a standard, isn't it? I mean, I agree with you that the worst of kids these days are softer than the worst of kids our days, who were softer than kids of our parents days, etc., etc. Why is it more thoughtful to think about what could be later instead of thinking about what could be now?

Totally agree it's useful. That's why I mentioned all the things the current leaders have done that, ostensibly, are soooo much better than todays crop of useless children. Iraq, A'stan, immigration policy, health care, the GOP, having all the power they're ever gonna get STILL not being able to do the ONE thing they've built power on for 7 years, repeal the ACA. NONE of that lies at the feet of today's kiddies and sure as heck doesn't raise much of a bar for the young people to aspire to.

 

[This_person]

One can desire what one likes. However, if we're going to lament the passing of the good old days it has to be in context and it can't be a la carte. Each generation, each person, grew up on context of their times and you can't white wash in-pleasantries out of it. Philosophy can't remove context and perspective.

I strongly disagree. If you saw a movie and enjoyed it, but someone in Chicago got shot and killed that night - does that mean that you saying you enjoyed the movie means you are in favor of the person getting shot? Of course not. Just because kids had it harder (my dad literally toted water from the well to the house until he was 17) does not mean that all things happening at the same time are a part of that. Seat belts were not a requirement for kids at that time, but it is fair to say that he would not suggest my grandchild (baby) not be in a safe car-seat and buckled in, just that he should have to understand working for what he gets to appreciate it.

So, yes you can pick and choose a la carte what you want to remember.

Tox made a good post because philosophy, not to mention history, CAN help us to a better future.

I fully agree. It can also help us to a better present, too, though.

In any event, it's predictable and useless to be the next in a long line stretching back to the first elders in the cave lamenting the uselessness and softness of the youngin's.

Unless, of course, you want to help them learn and appreciate that their history didn't START in 1995 (or later)

 

[Larry Gude]

I strongly disagree. If you saw a movie and enjoyed it, but someone in Chicago got shot and killed that night - does that mean that you saying you enjoyed the movie means you are in favor of the person getting shot? Of course not. )

This might be fun.


OK, so, you're born and raised on a plantation, circa 1850 and you had a GREAT childhood. Folks got you good schooling, not much in the way of chores, someone mucked your horses stall, fed him, nice cloths.

How you gonna remove the help from that?