“Pro life”

[OccamsRazor]

See... that's what causes all this crap... I'm quoting from my post #4 and you apparently are stuck on #12....

I am "stuck" on that post because that is the post that you specifically blame the male and only the male in your own words. In previous posts you say "We"
However, it appears that you do see it as a 50/50 responsibility for procreation so

 

[PJay]

 

[DLScott]

This thread is annoying for me. There's huge difference between being Pro Life and being Anti-Abortion.

Has it ever occurred to anyone that someone who has gone through an abortion.... may have been predestined to make that choice and how they deal with it is what they will be judged on as well? Haven't we all made desperate mistakes?

I abhor the idea of a vacuum hose sucking a baby out of the womb.... and I hate partial birth even worse.... but how can I withhold that escape from a woman who is so desperate... she would do anything rather than remain pregnant.

Sure we say... you can adopt it out.... but there's something about carrying a child to term and then handing it off... that goes against the human female's natural tendencies.... IMHO....

We say we are pro-life... but then we shut down planned parenthood [a source of birth control pills and regular check ups]. Yes... I got angry when I heard they were funding the work by selling baby body parts.... but still.... they were offering help.... shutting down food stamp programs and housing programs for women who keep their babies gets top billing with some.

We tell women.... keep your legs shut..... but God built in passion. We tell men to keep their thing in their pants.... but God built in passion.

Has it occurred that when the population numbers started to get overwhelming.... more lesbians started to talk about adopting babies? Was that part of the plan? Definitely not according to those who would take away food stamp programs or housing for single moms.

I was raised to abhor abortion.... I even quoted "as for me and my household... we will serve the Lord" but Bathsheba served the Lord.... and David prayed over the dying child.... if it happened to David and Bathsheba.... how likely are we non-biblical average humans supposed to put ourselves in any other position.

Someone just murdered 19 children..... in school.... and I bet he would say he hates abortion too... right?

I am totally disgusted with the way people treat babies now. It's a wonder God allows women to still reproduce... the world has become a horrible place to raise babies.... they have to sing their Disney songs in fall out shelters where they are in hiding.

I'm Pro-Life.... when I said "no" to abortion.... I lived up to it. I raised a wonderful daughter... and proved my Pro-Life label to be true.

If you haven't done anything to make life better for babies... then you might as well be pro-abortion.... because there's more to having babies than shooting them out of a whole in the body.... wake up.... make life better for babies and old people.... then you can claim the Pro-Life label for yourself.... until then... IMHO... you should shut the f&^k up.

That's my story and I'm sticking too it....

Thank you! You have done a better job at breaking it down and explaining it for me

 

[DLScott]

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Are you saying that human beings are hatched, and grow up in nests? I am trying to figure out the comparison. Humans actually need to have a live person with an endometrium for the fertilized egg to attach itself and then grow from embryo/ fetus to delivery. As far as I know, the eagle’s egg does not need a live host and can stay in the nest until it hatches. So what is the comparison?

 

[DLScott]

Please define the level of support that you feel would be sufficient to Take Care of the Children as you call it.

Are children going hungry, yes. Are children starving to death in the US, very rarely.
A minimum level of subsistence is available to all with the WIC program. Do we need to provide the best for all? No.

The same applies to taking care of the mothers. Again, look at the WIC program. Nutritious food available for all who need it.
Is it the best? No. But it prevents starvation.

Food banks/food pantries are also available. Clothes closets at churches are available. Assistance with rent (8a). Assistance with day care expenses. Free cell phones are available. Free internet is available.

itsbob is correct. We already do that.

No hate here. No politics here. Just facts that are being ignored.

You seem to be caught up on some idea that things that are meant to be supplementary (WIC) are more than adequate as the main provision. Do you think WIC was ever meant to be a main provision? If I am not mistaken wasn’t it formed off of agricultural surplus? so that it wouldn’t go to waste?

As for churches providing? It’s not steady, does not pay for rent , groceries , electric etc.

I am kind of concerned that there are Christians who really believe that what their church gives should count as something that the poor could survive on.

So the answer is, charity is not enough , because it is sporadic. And WIC is supplemental .

 

[DLScott]

One can be Pro Life AND Pro Personal Responsibility as well. Do these children and families (mothers mostly) need help? Yes. But, there is also belief that these mothers (and fathers) should be responsible for their choices as well.

Well whatever our handouts are , they most certainly aren’t enough to break the cycle, get them to lift their head above water enough to understand how to be personally responsible. It doesn’t make room for them to gain skills in order to make a living, and contribute to society. it doesn’t pay for day care. These handouts don’t pay the bills. And they usually have to live in low income neighborhoods that are falling apart. Now how are they supposed to rise above that with the handouts?

It’s not like they are living the high life , or living uptown. I think you are confusing this with corporate welfare.

 

[DLScott]

We already do all that, so I'm missing your point..

The burden of proof rests with you. Go ahead , crunch the numbers off of what they are supposedly getting today and see how far they could stretch it. Could you live that way?

 

[DLScott]

It is mostly the American negro that has multiple children with no father and the democrat party rewards them with your tax money how about that, why would you work when you can get laid have a child and dont care who or where the father is and get free money that is why they will always vote for a democrat and you can thank LBJ for that!

“They will always vote for a democrat”

Until very recently, many black Americans have not voted.

Do you ever wonder what was placed in their DNA and RNA during the time of slavery when their families were ripped apart, and sold so that others could sit on their lazy fat asses and have them work instead? I bet you the women who were bred like livestock probably couldn’t get too cozy with the daddies of her children then either. Maybe that is where it got started, and is now our karma.

 

[itsbob]

Well whatever our handouts are , they most certainly aren’t enough to break the cycle, get them to lift their head above water enough to understand how to be personally responsible. It doesn’t make room for them to gain skills in order to make a living, and contribute to society. it doesn’t pay for day care. These handouts don’t pay the bills. And they usually have to live in low income neighborhoods that are falling apart. Now how are they supposed to rise above that with the handouts?

It’s not like they are living the high life , or living uptown. I think you are confusing this with corporate welfare.

Define corporate welfare.

 

[DLScott]

Corporate welfare is the action of the government when preferential treatment is given to corporations.

 

[Kinnakeet]

“They will always vote for a democrat”

Until very recently, many black Americans have not voted.

Do you ever wonder what was placed in their DNA and RNA during the time of slavery when their families were ripped apart, and sold so that others could sit on their lazy fat asses and have them work instead? I bet you the women who were bred like livestock probably couldn’t get too cozy with the daddies of her children then either. Maybe that is where it got started, and is now our karma.

That was then this is now and the way it is as long as they get rewarded for doing nothing the ones sitting on their asses where making AMERICA great and profitable.

 

[OccamsRazor]

Well whatever our handouts are , they most certainly aren’t enough to break the cycle, get them to lift their head above water enough to understand how to be personally responsible. It doesn’t make room for them to gain skills in order to make a living, and contribute to society. it doesn’t pay for day care. These handouts don’t pay the bills. And they usually have to live in low income neighborhoods that are falling apart. Now how are they supposed to rise above that with the handouts?

It’s not like they are living the high life , or living uptown. I think you are confusing this with corporate welfare.

Personal responsibility is a CHOICE! Just like breaking the cycle is a choice. Some choose to rise above and make something of themselves and some do not. The problem today is that we cater to those who DO NOT and refuse to hoist those that do into the mainstream as an example. There are THOUSANDS of examples and programs for underprivileged people. It is a CHOICE to take advantage of them. In today's society, there is no excuse for not being able to succeed and "break the cycle."

 

[DLScott]

That was then this is now and the way it is as long as they get rewarded for doing nothing the ones sitting on their asses where making AMERICA great and profitable.

No they weren’t. They were given the illusion they were great, because they had the benefits of someone else’s free labor. They used an unarmed people who didn’t even have clothes on their backs ,who were disoriented by the way they were brought across the ocean, who neither understood our progression nor our way of life. They were humans of a different color of skin treated and traded like livestock. Any one with no decent morals could profit off of that. It wasn’t difficult.

And while their lazy and profitable owners were making that area of the country “great,” they still couldn’t keep up with the industrial progression of the north.

These “great” human flesh owners almost split this country up because they needed to continue in this fashion. They couldn’t even compete with the north without their slaves. Yeah that’s great and profitable-not. Yeah no, the only freedom they were fighting for was their freedom to own human flesh. And profit off of it. There’s nothing “great” about that.

These slaves were not even taken from conquest but simply bought from traders who went to their country to gather them up, like a crop reaped by treachery.

You are arguing an old lie to someone who’s school system taught the truth long ago. SMH

You aren’t giving anybody anything above the poverty level for them to even begin to “pick themselves up by the boot strap”

There are plenty of white people sucking off of the “gubberment tit” as well, while they are pointing fingers at the blacks.

 

[Gilligan]

No they weren’t. They were given the illusion they were great, because they had the benefits of someone else’s free labor. They used an unarmed people who didn’t even have clothes on their backs ,who were disoriented by the way they were brought across the ocean, who neither understood our progression nor our way of life. They were humans of a different color of skin treated and traded like livestock. Any one with no decent morals could profit off of that. It wasn’t difficult.

 

[OccamsRazor]

No they weren’t. They were given the illusion they were great, because they had the benefits of someone else’s free labor. They used an unarmed people who didn’t even have clothes on their backs ,who were disoriented by the way they were brought across the ocean, who neither understood our progression nor our way of life. They were humans of a different color of skin treated and traded like livestock. Any one with no decent morals could profit off of that. It wasn’t difficult.

And while their lazy and profitable owners were making that area of the country “great,” they still couldn’t keep up with the industrial progression of the north.

These “great” human flesh owners almost split this country up because they needed to continue in this fashion. They couldn’t even compete with the north without their slaves. Yeah that’s great and profitable-not. Yeah no, the only freedom they were fighting for was their freedom to own human flesh. And profit off of it. There’s nothing “great” about that.

These slaves were not even taken from conquest but simply bought from traders who went to their country to gather them up, like a crop reaped by treachery.

You are arguing an old lie to someone who’s school system taught the truth long ago. SMH

You aren’t giving anybody anything above the poverty level for them to even begin to “pick themselves up by the boot strap”

There are plenty of white people sucking off of the “gubberment tit” as well, while they are pointing fingers at the blacks.

You keep arguing the "Then." When are you going to explain (excuse?) for the NOW?

 

[DLScott]

Personal responsibility is a CHOICE! Just like breaking the cycle is a choice. Some choose to rise above and make something of themselves and some do not. The problem today is that we cater to those who DO NOT and refuse to hoist those that do into the mainstream as an example. There are THOUSANDS of examples and programs for underprivileged people. It is a CHOICE to take advantage of them. In today's society, there is no excuse for not being able to succeed and "break the cycle.”

Personal responsibility is a CHOICE! Just like breaking the cycle is a choice. Some choose to rise above and make something of themselves and some do not. The problem today is that we cater to those who DO NOT and refuse to hoist those that do into the mainstream as an example. There are THOUSANDS of examples and programs for underprivileged people. It is a CHOICE to take advantage of them. In today's society, there is no excuse for not being able to succeed and "break the cycle."

I bet people like you think that Candace Owens is one of those shiny examples. And that’s why you love her so much. She likes to whistle that tune. But she went to any Ivy League college, was hailed by the NAACP, and then married herself a rich Brit. And now she is everyone’s favorite. She didn’t pick herself up by her boot straps…

 

[DLScott]

You keep arguing the "Then." When are you going to explain (excuse?) for the NOW?

You keep arguing the "Then." When are you going to explain (excuse?) for the NOW?

If you bring color into it as Kinnekeet did , then that is where we are going Bubba.

 

[Gilligan]

If you bring color into it as Kinnekeet did , then that is where we are going Bubba.

 

[OccamsRazor]

I bet people like you think that Candace Owens is one of those shiny examples. And that’s why you love her so much. She likes to whistle that tune. But she went to any Ivy League college, was hailed by the NAACP, and then married herself a rich Brit. And now she is everyone’s favorite. She didn’t pick herself up by her boot straps…

Don't resort to the strawman argument. Tell us all why people today do not have the CHOICE to persevere and succeed. Of course it is harder for some than others but, it is still a CHOICE.

 

[OccamsRazor]

If you bring color into it as Kinnekeet did , then that is where we are going Bubba.

You keep arguing the "Then." When are you going to explain (excuse?) for the NOW?