Are they?.
They more than anyone else. As any business,well run, would,,and must.
The "evil big oil" kool aid runs like tap water.
100% Renewable Energy in Germany
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They more than anyone else. As any business,well run, would,,and must.
The "evil big oil" kool aid runs like tap water.
Radiant1
Soul Probe
Can you give me some for instances and examples please? Kool aid tastes like #### no matter where it comes from.
aps45819
24/7 Single Dad
Auto and motorcycle headlights ran on it also
If you are curious enough and not stuck in your "big oil is bad" meme, you will do what I always do when somebody piques my curiosity...I go research it myself. I get tired of people that try to end a debate that isn't going their way by pulling the 5th grade "I won't believe you and you can't make me!!" along with foot stomp or two. Or go like this:
Good friend of mine is retiring from Exxon this year; for most of the last decade he's been working in their alternative energies division. In chatting with him over the years, I've found it quite remarkable what kinds of things he's been purusing..and how much money Exxon is - and has been - investing. And according to him, up until just a few years ago, BP's aternative energy group and research was even larger than Exxon's...and probably will be again once they get all the costs of of their gulf oil rig disaster well behind them.
Radiant1
Soul Probe
If you are curious enough and not stuck in your "big oil is bad" meme, you will do what I always do when somebody piques my curiosity...I go research it myself. I get tired of people that try to end a debate that isn't going their way by pulling the 5th grade "I won't believe you and you can't make me!!" along with foot stomp or two. Or go like this:
I wasn't debating you, nor was I stomping my foot. I was simply asking you for examples because apparently you knew something I didn't. In fact, my comment about kool-aid tasting like #### no matter where it comes from should have clued you in that I'm not overly fond of kool-aid. With a few exceptions my opinions are not absolutes but rather can be changed when presented with new information. I'm not apt to research one generalized comment from one person on the internet such as "They more than anyone else"; however, if given something of a little substance I might.
^^ I was not aware of that. That was exactly what I was asking for, thank you. That wasn't so hard, was it? NOW, I might research more details.
I admit..with apologies, if due..that I am overly sensitive to the "moron crowd"..those exemplified by our very own cellar-dwelling cut-n-paste artist nhboy and so many others. I have very little patience if any for the willfully ignorant.
Baack to the subject at hand. Energy companies are not 'stupid'..but the interesting part of it is how much they are investing in alternative energies out of their own pure self interest (future survival) and how much they invest for public relations (written off)..and how much they invest because they get those infamous "subsidies" that all the lefties love to hate so much. Said subsidies being actually only tax offsets..but we'll go with the meme.
Radiant1
Soul Probe
Of course, that's the nature of business and makes perfect sense from a business perspective. So does squashing any competition that might infringe on profits.
MMDad
Lem Putt
They've been doing fracking in Oklahoma for more than 50 years without a documented case of contamination. While it is possible for an accident to happen, that's true for any technology.
Hydrogen seems to be as clean as it gets, but generating the hydrogen is the problem. Plus, one accident and the stuff it ignites cancels out any cleanliness. Kind of like hybrid cars - they seem so clean, until you factor in the battery production and disposal. Or like compact flourescents - a couple centuries from now those will be a joke in a textbook. "Look at how stupid they were! Poisoning themselves to avoid using proven, safe technology!"
x100. The lithium battery part especially. I remain astounded that the Feds are so solidly behind a technology that is guaranteed to create/become a national environmental nightmare out of a scarce material that the Chinese control. Crazy.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
Be baffled no more, our fine German friends. You may be instituting an American idea but, we aren't. We are trying a system controlled by the government. Not the people.
So, congratulations on being more American than us!
Radiant1
Soul Probe
oh. Yr one of those. I should have guessed.
Carry on.
Am I misunderstanding your attitude, or are you acting like a douche for some unknown reason?
You can better believe if I were running a business I'd do everything in my power to keep any competition away because the way I see it the nature of business is to increase my bottom line/profit or any obligation to shareholders. I'd do what I could to keep a union at bay, pay my workers the minimum I could get away with, and as long as my company was considered a person I'd take full advantage of it and support the politicans that would legislate in my company's favor. I'd also invest in marketing/advertising to convince consumers that my product is exactly what they need, they need a lot of it, and they need it now. Manipulation at it's finest! That's the nature of business. :shark:
So, yeah, I guess I'm one of those whatever one of those is.
Am I misunderstanding your attitude, or are you acting like a douche for some unknown reason?
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I've been running a business that competes internationally since 1987. In fact, most of those years saw our foreign business well exceed our domestic business...and its still that way.
But back to the topic at hand. The stories about how oil companies and the automotive companies have conspired to destroy, hide or otherwise prevent some magic new technologies from ever seeing the light of day were written, IMO, by the same guy that authored the "Dubya blew up the twin towers wit dynomite..deed he did!".
Radiant1
Soul Probe
I knew that from some of your previous posts, so what. How do you compete, Gilligan? Or, do you actually have any competition?
But back to the topic at hand. The stories about how oil companies and the automotive companies have conspired to destroy, hide or otherwise prevent some magic new technologies from ever seeing the light of day were written, IMO, by the same guy that authored the "Dubya blew up the twin towers wit dynomite..deed he did!".
Actually, the topic at hand was Germany's renewable energy. I don't know anything about conspiracies, I only know the nature of business is to create $$$ for business owners/share holders. Are you an exception to the rule regarding your business practices?
So I take it you were indeed acting like a douche. I should have known you're one of those.
Exactly.
Perhaps I am. My apologies.
I know I'm very prickly any time the topic of "evil big oil conspiracies" or "businesses are bad" pops up...even if its only hinted at. In my experience, those have always been simply artificial themes created to provide a road for the socialist agenda to ride on...and that gets me riled up real quick.
Sorry.
glhs837
Power with Control
I knew that from some of your previous posts, so what. How do you compete, Gilligan? Or, do you actually have any competition?
Actually, the topic at hand was Germany's renewable energy. I don't know anything about conspiracies, I only know the nature of business is to create $$$ for business owners/share holders. Are you an exception to the rule regarding your business practices?
So I take it you were indeed acting like a douche. I should have known you're one of those.
The thing I think we are hanging up on is how big businesses go about that. the old ones Gilligan refers to is the idea that oil companies, for instance, would engage in illegal acts to buy/steal and then hide from public view a fuel delivery method that would let a car achieve 200mpg. and that they might sabotage other energy generating methods like fusion or cheap efficient solar.
Do you think energy companies might do that? If so, I agree with Gilligan, I just don't see that happening. Making your business better at what it does is one thing. But I really don't think that engaging in illegal practices is the norm.
How do we compete? A combination of continuous product development and improvement, decent quality control, and an almost obsessive focus on customer support.
We do not compete on price; we've won contracts where we were not the lowest cost solution.
At one time we probably had about 6 or 7 competitors around the world. We outlived many of them and now only have perhaps two left. One of those we outlived was a subsidiary of a large British corporation that were given the direction and cash to beat us and put us out of business through predatory pricing efforts. They eventually failed, though not before putting a severe hurt on us before they folded their tent. That's the only time I've personally seen illegal business competition at work....and I saw it ultimately fail too.
but it is GREEN NOW Baby ....
.... but seriously have you read about mess where the process the ore ?