1st Massachusetts, then ??

[Hessian]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52311

Incrementalism & liberal courts...that is how to chisel away at religious freedom and parental rights.

In Virginia last week a middle school student silently reading her Bible during free time was told to stop or face discipline....what a dangerous book.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Ah yes, World Net Daily, the most accurate world news source around.

 

[FromTexas]

Ah yes, World Net Daily, the most accurate world news source around.

Instead of attacking the source would you like to point out which items in the article are not facts. Are you saying that there is no lawsuit like this going on now?

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Instead of attacking the source would you like to point out which items in the article are not facts. Are you saying that there is no lawsuit like this going on now?

Because it's a lawsuit, we should automatically believe the plaintiff and be against the defendant? People who file lawsuits never lie or exagaratte a situation?

Let me get all this right: It should be the parent's choice what public schols teach and not teach?

Some conservatives would want schools to teach kids to hate anybody who is gay and persecute them. Should we go around teaching that?

And the lawsuit which is in Maryland, not Virginia, is just as bad as those trying to take "Under God" out of the pledge. I honestly believe this girl was reading the bible in school during class as a form of protest or spite.

 

[FromTexas]

Because it's a lawsuit, we should automatically believe the plaintiff and be against the defendant? People who file lawsuits never lie or exagaratte a situation?

The story doesn't say you should believe one or the other. It gives quotes from each for you to make your own interpretation. There is no winning/losing side. All they are presenting is that a homosexual advocacy group is trying to make sure information presenting homosexual lifestyles as okay in school is allowed without allowing parents notification first. The plantiff is saying that parental notification should be allowed so parents can hold their kid out of school if they disagree with that being taught. Do you disagree with what they are saying there in any way? Well, you can't. Because they just presented the facts.

Again, you attack a source and then cover with questions that are meaningless to the information presented since for the most part since its information on what the parties involved have said and what the case is about. Unless you are saying they are making it up. That would be the only thing to provide merit to your initial response. So, are you saying these are not facts?

 

[FromTexas]

Let me get all this right: It should be the parent's choice what public schols teach and not teach?

Some conservatives would want schools to teach kids to hate anybody who is gay and persecute them. Should we go around teaching that?

WTF are you talking about? The choice presented in the article is that parents aren't dictating what is taught in the classroom, but should have the choice when it comes to moral issues for their family on whether their child should be in a class that teaches something against their moral issues. It doesn't say he is forcing the school district to stop teaching the material. They are just fighting for parental notification, so the parents can pull their kids out on that day if they disagree with what their child is being taught -- unless you disagree with parental rights, of course. Those are the facts of the case. Thus, World Net Daily is acting as in news source and presenting what is going on in a case. Which was the whole point of my disputing you... you disputed the source. So, again, what is untrue about what they reported? You can dissemble all you want... the point is you have none. So, suck it up.

 

[Sharon]

... schools have a legal and constitutional mandate to unconditionally teach homosexuality to even the youngest of children, and that parents have no right whatsoever to interfere with that.

Which of the three R's will they cut short for the new curriculum?

 

[FromTexas]

Which of the three R's will they cut short for the new curriculum?

Riting and rithmetic... because they obviously torched spelling a long time ago.

 

[Pete]

Some conservatives would want schools to teach kids to hate anybody who is gay and persecute them. Should we go around teaching that?

Think about this. What are parents attitudes going to be regarding gays and what attitude are they going to pass on to their kids about homosexuality if the homosexual lobby forces the issue to be a topic in school?

"Billy"

"Yea dad"

"What did you learn in school today?"

"We learned about those sick perverts."

"Ahhh, gay history day eh?"

"Yea, it was gross."

"Good boy"



Yup, nothing like a nasty adversarial relationship with those you are trying to impress a positive impression on.

 

[ylexot]

Yup, nothing like a nasty adversarial relationship with those you are trying to impress a positive impression on.

You can't force tolerance. It only makes things worse.

 

[Pete]

You can't force tolerance. It only makes things worse.

Yea, I can hear it now.

"Billy, the court says the school has to teach you about homo's. They are going to make them sound like they are all nice and cool. It is all a lie, they are sick, perverted people who want to force their nasty ways on the rest of us people. It is disgusting and nasty and when they start teaching you don't listen because it is all lies."

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

The parent does have a moral choice for them and their family. To pull a kid out of school so they do not get an opposing viewpoint sounds to me a little harsh. These are parents who want to sheild their kids from reality.

It's typical Republican and Christian extremism. Should society really be brought up to hate gays and lesbians just like we tried to make society hate blacks. These damn Republicans want to deny civil rights to someone just because they're mentally different. I don't think it's acceptable for parents to teach their kids hate and to sheild them from reality. Let kids think for themselves!

I think it should be the parents choice but I don't see this behavior acceptable - I guess I'd just act differently as a parent.

 

[Sharon]

Some conservatives would want schools to teach kids to hate anybody who is gay and persecute them.

What an asinine statement. Are you saying only conservatives hate people? Is there a conservative group pushing this now? Are conservatives the only ones who send their kids to private schools or homeschool?

It's typical Republican and Christian extremism. Should society really be brought up to hate gays and lesbians just like we tried to make society hate blacks. These damn Republicans want to deny civil rights to someone just because they're mentally different. I don't think it's acceptable for parents to teach their kids hate and to sheild them from reality. Let kids think for themselves!

Before I could hit reply you start targeting Republicans and Christians.

It seems to me YOU are the HATER.

 

[Sharon]

Let kids think for themselves!

I guess I'd just act differently as a parent.

Ah ha! You don't have any kids.

 

[FromTexas]

The parent does have a moral choice for them and their family. To pull a kid out of school so they do not get an opposing viewpoint sounds to me a little harsh. These are parents who want to sheild their kids from reality.

It's typical Republican and Christian extremism. Should society really be brought up to hate gays and lesbians just like we tried to make society hate blacks. These damn Republicans want to deny civil rights to someone just because they're mentally different. I don't think it's acceptable for parents to teach their kids hate and to sheild them from reality. Let kids think for themselves!

I think it should be the parents choice but I don't see this behavior acceptable - I guess I'd just act differently as a parent.

Ah, so the "state" should decide what morals are best for kids and take parents out of the choice. Gotcha.

 

[FromTexas]

I think it should be the parents choice but I don't see this behavior acceptable - I guess I'd just act differently as a parent.

That is your choice as a parent. That is not your choice to make for another parent.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

What an asinine statement. Are you saying only conservatives hate people? Is there a conservative group pushing this now? Are conservatives the only ones who send their kids to private schools or homeschool?



Before I could hit reply you start targeting Republicans and Christians.

It seems to me YOU are the HATER.

OK other people hate other people to. I just don't think preaching hate and covering the preaching of hate with a Christian label is acceptable. Jesus Christ would not have gone and preached hate so why do these "Christians."

And yes I targeted Republicans... The GOP is not conservative.

And no I do not have kids.

Why should we even have the argument that soomthing like this should not be taught in schools or kids should be taken out so they don't get an opposing viewpoint if parents have that option or the option to preach hate.

Now I'm gonna correct myself and say it's not attached exclusively to conservatives or Christians. It is hateful people throwing themselves behind a banner falsely advertising themselves as Christians.

 

[FromTexas]

Ah yes, World Net Daily, the most accurate world news source around.

Again, what was not accurate about this news story?

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Again, what was not accurate about this news story?

As far as we know, nothing... I never attacked the story's credibility, I attacked the source. I had to do a Google Search and find the article on an actual newschannel website before I would uy the credibility. I don't believe #### off WorldNet unless I see it on a Newschannel website, like NBC, ABC, CBS, FOX.

 

[FromTexas]

OK other people hate other people to. I just don't think preaching hate and covering the preaching of hate with a Christian label is acceptable. Jesus Christ would not have gone and preached hate so why do these "Christians."

And yes I targeted Republicans... The GOP is not conservative.

And no I do not have kids.

Why should we even have the argument that soomthing like this should not be taught in schools or kids should be taken out so they don't get an opposing viewpoint if parents have that option or the option to preach hate.

Now I'm gonna correct myself and say it's not attached exclusively to conservatives or Christians. It is hateful people throwing themselves behind a banner falsely advertising themselves as Christians.

Most of the people (probably 80-90%) who don't want their kids hearing a homosexual lifestyle is okay aren't preaching hate. They just want their kids to understand that they believe it is immoral. Those people don't turn around and bash gays or do hateful things to them. In fact, they probably don't say much of anything to the homosexuals they know about their lifestyle. They don't sit an try to save them. They believe they should still care for their fellow man, they just believe he is sinning. There is no "hate". They also believe those who use Gods name in vain, look at porn, etc... are sinning. Does that mean they hate those people, too?