I think you missed this part... from the article... "But with neither the 21-year-old father nor the 20-year-old mother employed - all the children are supported by welfare"... why do you think it is okay for them to bring children into this world that neither of them are willing to provide for...JPC sr said:
But, Kwillia, your answer is in your question - all the children are supported by welfare. Certainly, their cups are overflowing with all of their necessities, and only the cruel, heartless, unjust, immoral laws would make them provide for themselves. They have all of their needs met and more. Shut up and pay your taxes while they go make 10, 11, and 12.kwillia said:I think you missed this part... from the article... "But with neither the 21-year-old father nor the 20-year-old mother employed - all the children are supported by welfare"... why do you think it is okay for them to bring children into this world that neither of them are willing to provide for...
But.... but... but what about the part of parenting that involves raising law abiding, moral, responsible members of society. Children don't simply wake up knowing these things. When you become a parent, you are responsible for teaching them these things through things such as example, motivation and cultivation.This_person said:
No, if you stop being in communication with them, they are no longer your immediate family, so they are no longer your concern. All you have to do is desert them, let them figure it out for themselves, then they will be amply provided for by the gov. This will be how you provide for them. Then, when they grow up (or, I guess, IF they grow up), you can help them be just like you!kwillia said:But.... but... but what about the part of parenting that involves raising law abiding, moral, responsible members of society. Children don't simply wake up knowing these things. When you become a parent, you are responsible for teaching them these things through things such as example, motivation and cultivation.
kwillia said:I think you missed this part... from the article... "But with neither the 21-year-old father nor the 20-year-old mother employed - all the children are supported by welfare"... why do you think it is okay for them to bring children into this world that neither of them are willing to provide for...
Yes, I saw that the parents were on welfare but having 7 kids means they do have a lot of work already taking care of the kids. They sure are not lazy with kids. That is the point of welfare to help needy families and that is a family in need of assistance. I find your Sig comment interesting, it reads like this:
John and Livey were not down at Ike Godseys store waiting for their welfare check.JPC sr said:
It is not like they are cheating the gov and getting away with something. If that was the free way with the free ride then it would have most people doing it, but in reality that family has chosen a hard and demanding way and that is why they qualify for gov assistance.
If the law demands that they go to work or demand child support to repay the welfare then it will break up the family unit and undermines our society structure as it does through the misguided child support and custody laws do now.
We as a people need to support the family unit and not some slave driving idea of putting young parents to work when they have a family to care for.
Plus they are in Texas and they have a latino type name so the parents are probably Catholic as that Church does promote family values so the family is most likely doing their religious duty by having children too.
To attack or degrade a young couple having children is against our historical values on religion, family and society, because of some tax payer selfishness.
I like the story and the Waltons of Walton Mountain had 7 kids too.
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P.S.
~~~There is no reality, only perception.~~~
and I do not mean to contradict it as I like it that way too, but I believe that:
~~~Perception is reality.~~~
JPC sr said:
and so your judgements are inhuman.
But instead of immaginary children and parents for you to unjustly condemn,
the couple in this thread topic appear to be quite happy with their 7 children and the 9 member family is together and happy from the report.
Now if the law orders the father out of the house and to start paying child support and the law ordering the mother to get a job too then the finances will increase but it will only pay for another broken family unit divided by an unjust and inhuman mentality against parents that have done nothing wrong.
You and the law judges them unjustly when they have done nothing wrong.
If you dream that your "quality of life" makes for "blessed children" then you like the law is in for a big surprise.
JPC sr said:
It is not like they are cheating the gov and getting away with something. If that was the free way with the free ride then it would have most people doing it, but in reality that family has chosen a hard and demanding way and that is why they qualify for gov assistance.
If the law demands that they go to work or demand child support to repay the welfare then it will break up the family unit and undermines our society structure as it does through the misguided child support and custody laws do now.
We as a people need to support the family unit and not some slave driving idea of putting young parents to work when they have a family to care for.
Plus they are in Texas and they have a latino type name so the parents are probably Catholic as that Church does promote family values so the family is most likely doing their religious duty by having children too.
To attack or degrade a young couple having children is against our historical values on religion, family and society, because of some tax payer selfishness.
I like the story and the Waltons of Walton Mountain had 7 kids too.
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P.S.
~~~There is no reality, only perception.~~~
and I do not mean to contradict it as I like it that way too, but I believe that:
~~~Perception is reality.~~~
High EGT said:
7 Kids with parents that have no means to support them, and as a parent Hell ya I can judge!
And what's inhume is to twist this as an OK a family situation thats obviously in crisis, but I guess accountability for ones actions doesnt matter as long as the law is not broken. Come on JPC even you can see that this situation is beyond what any rational parent would consider normal or in need of intervention.
IMO, it is that you have little or no faith, that is what I see in your words.
Yes, don't you understand? This family has done nothing wrong. It is you, the working taxpayer that needs to be punished for being responsible enough to pay your own way. If you can do that, you certainly need to pay, and make sure that this family, with clearly no responsibility in their actions, can live without providing for themselves. I don't know who you think you are that you think you should only provide for yourself. If you're going to be so cruel and immoral as that, you should provide for this happy, faith-filled (though I have no reason to think they are) family.High EGT said:
JPC sr said:
Those parents have faith and a big happy family, I have faith and I am happy for them.
What kind of "intervention" would you have? Attack the parents, cut off their food, break their religion, and or sterilize their bodies? Put the patrents in jail as child support does to dirt poor parents?
That family has done absolutely nothing wrong, no sin, no crime, no mean or hateful act, no abuse, nothing wrong at all.
The family on welfare does not make the Country any poorer, and if they get off of welfare then the Country will not be richer. The taxes will not go up nor down because of that happy family even if you manage to make them miserable.
Is it some kind of jealousy? or contempt for others?
I think it is a lack of virtue on your part - no faith.
The children are a blessing from God and we have no right to speak ill of that family.
This_person said:
JPC sr said:
If Lenny had some thing worth saying then he would not need to step around his own filth.
PrchJrkr said:Since when is out of wedlock sex not a sin?
That is just calling a man-made law as being a sin.
JPC sr said:
The marriage cerimony is only a show and a celebration.
According to religion the thing that creates a marriage and wedlock was the sex,
and the subsequent baby was the sign of God blessing the union,
see Rebekah and Isaac in the link HERE.
People claim the modern marriage license makes the marriage because that way the gov writ of divorce gives cover to their adulteries.
