2A - Need your help on this...

[Tinkerbell]

I was reading the bulletin after Church on Sunday and on the back was a letter that someone had written about creation and evolution. They said something about a Catholic School teaching evolution and they didn't understand because they thought that Catholics strictly don't believe in evolution in any way. The answer was basically that Catholics believe in evolution (but not exactly the theory of evolution) and creation together. It said the God was responsible for evolution (or something along those lines).

The answer wasn't very well written - and I've always wondered, if creation is true, how does that explian dinosaurs, etc? I've never seen anything in the bible about them.

And then I thought of you! If anyone could help me understand how evolution and creation work together, it may be you.

 

[HenryEarlIII]

bulleting???

Dis bes a waldurf werd?

 

[Tinkerbell]

bulleting???

Dis bes a waldurf werd?

Uh, I meant "bulletin."

But it very well might be a Waldorf word!

 

[tirdun]

From a Roman Catholic viewpoint:

"In his encyclical Humani Generis (1950), my predecessor Pius XII has already affirmed that there is no conflict between evolution and the doctrine of the faith regarding man and his vocation, provided that we do not lose sight of certain fixed points....Today, more than a half-century after the appearance of that encyclical, some new findings lead us toward the recognition of evolution as more than an hypothesis. In fact it is remarkable that this theory has had progressively greater influence on the spirit of researchers, following a series of discoveries in different scholarly disciplines. The convergence in the results of these independent studies -- which was neither planned nor sought -- constitutes in itself a significant argument in favor of the theory."

Pope John Paul II

 

[2ndAmendment]

I was reading the bulletin after Church on Sunday and on the back was a letter that someone had written about creation and evolution. They said something about a Catholic School teaching evolution and they didn't understand because they thought that Catholics strictly don't believe in evolution in any way. The answer was basically that Catholics believe in evolution (but not exactly the theory of evolution) and creation together. It said the God was responsible for evolution (or something along those lines).

The answer wasn't very well written - and I've always wondered, if creation is true, how does that explian dinosaurs, etc? I've never seen anything in the bible about them.

And then I thought of you! If anyone could help me understand how evolution and creation work together, it may be you.

I believe the Bible.

I believe in micro evolution, i.e., an insect may develop certain characteristics over time or adaptation. I do not believe in macro evolution, i.e., a single cell animal becoming a fish, becoming an amphibian, becoming an ape, becoming a man. I believe the dinosaurs and man were contemporaries in the time line of creation. Large animals generally have much longer gestation periods. Larger animals can be hunted to extinction very rapidly. Man has nearly hunted to extinction several species, the American bison being just one. If you want to feed a group with the least amount of work, it is better to kill one bear than it is to have to hunt and kill 200 rabbits. Big animals are typically more dangerous to hunt but move slower and are easier to spot and hunt. Big animal equals more food and less work and time.

But let me reiterate. I believe the Bible.

End of discussion for me.

 

[Midnightrider]

I believe the Bible.

I believe in micro evolution, i.e., an insect may develop certain characteristics over time or adaptation. I do not believe in macro evolution, i.e., a single cell animal becoming a fish, becoming an amphibian, becoming an ape, becoming a man. I believe the dinosaurs and man were contemporaries in the time line of creation. Large animals generally have much longer gestation periods. Larger animals can be hunted to extinction very rapidly. Man has nearly hunted to extinction several species, the American bison being just one. If you want to feed a group with the least amount of work, it is better to kill one bear than it is to have to hunt and kill 200 rabbits. Big animals are typically more dangerous to hunt but move slower and are easier to spot and hunt. Big animal equals more food and less work and time.

But let me reiterate. I believe the Bible.

End of discussion for me.

first, where does it say anything in t he bible about "micro eveolution"

and second, why isn't there an extensive oral and written history of man/dino conflict. Are they even mentioned in the bible? and if they were contemporary with our ancestors, then why no discussion of them in your book?

 

[itsbob]

I believe the Bible.

I do not believe in macro evolution, i.e., a single cell animal becoming a fish, becoming an amphibian, becoming an ape, becoming a man.
End of discussion for me.

Yet it happens every day...

We all start as a single celled animal..

 

[itsbob]

first, where does it say anything in t he bible about "micro eveolution"

and second, why isn't there an extensive oral and written history of man/dino conflict. Are they even mentioned in the bible? and if they were contemporary with our ancestors, then why no discussion of them in your book?

Because the Bible was written by man, based on the knowledge at the time it was written.. at 400 BC there was no knowledge of dinosaurs, nor was their knowledge on how old the earth really was.. they took an educated guess, and guessed wrong.

There is/may be a lot of truth in the Bible, but there is also a lot of false information, but it is a man's work, not a superior beings work.

 

[Sharon]

Yet it happens every day...

We all start as a single celled animal..

But the DNA doesn't change as it replicates and divides into more cells, now does it?






Except in your case where you've evolved into an ass.

 

[itsbob]

But the DNA doesn't change as it replicates and divides into more cells, now does it?






Except in your case where you've evolved into an ass.

The DNA doesn't change amongst evolved species either..

You take a look at the DNA from a Neandrathal and how much different is it from a human?

 

[Midnightrider]

The DNA doesn't change amongst evolved species either..

You take a look at the DNA from a Neandrathal and how much different is it from a human?

in fact if you take the DNA from corn, how different from human is that?

More alike than not is the answer

 

[itsbob]

in fact if you take the DNA from corn, how different from human is that?

More alike than not is the answer

So you're saying like the Neandrathal, corn is a >95% DNA match to a human??

 

[Sharon]

You take a look at the DNA from a Neandrathal and how much different is it from a human?

Why don't you tell me. I don't know what a neandrathal is.

How about neanderthal?







Everyone's entitled to their opinion.




"Smartest man"

 

[itsbob]

Why don't you tell me. I don't know what a neandrathal is.

How about neanderthal?







Everyone's entitled to their opinion.




"Smartest man"

OK, you found my spelling error, but you missed the significant error..

Wanna try again?

 

[Bustem' Down]

The DNA doesn't change amongst evolved species either..

You take a look at the DNA from a Neandrathal and how much different is it from a human?

The Neanderthal was actually a separate species, more like a branch that died out, it would be like comparing humans and apes, but I see your point. Better analogy would be modern humans and Homo Erectus.

 

[wxtornado]

I believe the Bible.

I believe in micro evolution, i.e., an insect may develop certain characteristics over time or adaptation. I do not believe in macro evolution, i.e., a single cell animal becoming a fish, becoming an amphibian, becoming an ape, becoming a man. I believe the dinosaurs and man were contemporaries in the time line of creation. Large animals generally have much longer gestation periods. Larger animals can be hunted to extinction very rapidly. Man has nearly hunted to extinction several species, the American bison being just one. If you want to feed a group with the least amount of work, it is better to kill one bear than it is to have to hunt and kill 200 rabbits. Big animals are typically more dangerous to hunt but move slower and are easier to spot and hunt. Big animal equals more food and less work and time.

But let me reiterate. I believe the Bible.

End of discussion for me.

Macroevolution has already been observed in the lab and in the field, so isn't this just intellectual dishonesty on your part?

 

[Tinkerbell]

I believe the Bible.

I believe in micro evolution, i.e., an insect may develop certain characteristics over time or adaptation. I do not believe in macro evolution, i.e., a single cell animal becoming a fish, becoming an amphibian, becoming an ape, becoming a man. I believe the dinosaurs and man were contemporaries in the time line of creation. Large animals generally have much longer gestation periods. Larger animals can be hunted to extinction very rapidly. Man has nearly hunted to extinction several species, the American bison being just one. If you want to feed a group with the least amount of work, it is better to kill one bear than it is to have to hunt and kill 200 rabbits. Big animals are typically more dangerous to hunt but move slower and are easier to spot and hunt. Big animal equals more food and less work and time.

But let me reiterate. I believe the Bible.

End of discussion for me.

Thanks 2A!

 

[tirdun]

Macroevolution has already been observed in the lab and in the field, so isn't this just intellectual dishonesty on your part?

Abandon all hope, Ye who enter here.

But let me reiterate. I believe the Bible.
End of discussion for me.

2A's position on evolution, cosmology, history and all related fields are summed up, in their entirety, by that quote.

 

[wxtornado]

Abandon all hope, Ye who enter here.



2A's position on evolution, cosmology, history and all related fields are summed up, in their entirety, by that quote.

Lol, yep - pretty much answers my question!

 

[thakidistight]

The Neanderthal was actually a separate species, more like a branch that died out, it would be like comparing humans and apes, but I see your point. Better analogy would be modern humans and Homo Erectus.

Hehehe you said Homo Erectus.....