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Read carefully. It's not just that Dubya opted for easy Texas Air Guard Duty. It's that he went AWOL during part of that time. For well over a year, he never showed up for duty. Where I come from, that's being AWOL and it's grounds for some serious punishment.
Yes, we all know that others found ways of skipping out (Cheney got student deferments until he flunked out of Yale, got more at Wyoming until they ran out there, but then knocked his wife up just as the fatherhood deferment rolled around. Likewise, Ashcroft, Karl Rove, and Wolfowitz mangaed to shirk their duty too, yet still find time to serve as part of the chickenhawk brigade). But weaseling out of military service by having your rich daddy put the fix in is one thing; blatantly going AWOL is another.
At least he didn't run off to Russia to set up his Communist connections. 
Can anyone verify this AWOL accusation? I mean, for real - not from some DUer. It just seems to me that if Bush really went AWOL, we'd hear about it from someone other than Shiggy and Terry McAuliffe. This is a pretty big story, considering it's against the law and there's no statute of limitations that I'm aware of.
Can anyone verify this AWOL accusation? I mean, for real - not from some DUer. It just seems to me that if Bush really went AWOL, we'd hear about it from someone other than Shiggy and Terry McAuliffe. This is a pretty big story, considering it's against the law and there's no statute of limitations that I'm aware of.
It's time to set the record straight. The following analysis, which relies on National Guard documents, extensive interviews with military officials and previously unpublished evidence of Bush's whereabouts in the summer and fall of 1972, is the first full chronology of Bush's military record. Its basic conclusions: Bush may have received favorable treatment to get into the Guard, served irregularly after the spring of 1972 and got an expedited discharge, but he did accumulate the days of service required of him for his ultimate honorable discharge.
At the Republican convention in Philadelphia, George W. Bush declared: "Our military is low on parts, pay and morale. If called on by the commander-in-chief today, two entire divisions of the Army would have to report, 'Not ready for duty, sir.'" Bush says he is the candidate who can "rebuild our military and prepare our armed forces for the future." On what direct military experience does he make such claims?
George W. Bush applied to join the Texas Air National Guard on May 27, 1968, less than two weeks before he graduated from Yale University. The country was at war in Vietnam, and at that time, just months after the bloody Tet Offensive, an estimated 100,000 Americans were on waiting lists to join Guard units across the country. Bush was sworn in on the day he applied.
Ben Barnes, former speaker of the Texas House of Representatives, stated in September 1999 that in late 1967 or early 1968, he asked a senior official in the Texas Air National Guard to help Bush get into the Guard as a pilot. Barnes said he did so at the behest of Sidney Adger, a Houston businessman and friend of former President George H. W. Bush, then a Texas congressman. Despite Barnes's admission, former President Bush has denied pulling strings for his son, and retired Colonel Walter Staudt, George W. Bush's first commander, insists: "There was no special treatment."
The younger Bush fulfilled two years of active duty and completed pilot training in June 1970. During that time and in the two years that followed, Bush flew the F-102, an interceptor jet equipped with heat-seeking missiles that could shoot down enemy planes. His commanding officers and peers regarded Bush as a competent pilot and enthusiastic Guard member. In March 1970, the Texas Air National Guard issued a press release trumpeting his performance: "Lt. Bush recently became the first Houston pilot to be trained by the 147th [Fighter Group] and to solo in the F-102... Lt. Bush said his father was just as excited and enthusiastic about his solo flight as he was." In Bush's evaluation for the period May 1, 1971 through April 30, 1972, then-Colonel Bobby Hodges, his commanding officer, stated, "I have personally observed his participation, and without exception, his performance has been noteworthy." In the spring of 1972, however, National Guard records show a sudden dropoff in Bush's military activity. Though trained as a pilot at considerable government expense, Bush stopped flying in April 1972 and never flew for the Guard again.
Around that time, Bush decided to go to work for Winton "Red" Blount, a Republican running for the U.S. Senate, in Alabama. Documents from Ellington Air Force Base in Houston state that Bush "cleared this base on 15 May." Shortly afterward, he applied for assignment to the 9921st Air Reserve Squadron in Montgomery, Ala., a unit that required minimal duty and offered no pay. Although that unit's commander was willing to welcome him, on May 31 higher-ups at the Air Reserve Personnel Center in Denver rejected Bush's request to serve at the 9921st, because it did not offer duty equivalent to his service in Texas. "[A]n obligated Reservist [in this case, Bush] can be assigned to a specific Ready Reserve position only," noted the disapproval memo, a copy of which was sent to Bush. "Therefore, he is ineligible for assignment to an Air Reserve Squadron."
Despite the military's decision, Bush moved to Alabama. Records obtained by Georegemag.com show that the Blount Senate campaign paid Bush about $900 a month from mid-May through mid-November to do advance work and organize events. Neither Bush's annual evaluation nor the Air National Guard's overall chronological listing of his service contain any evidence that he performed Guard duties during that summer.
On or around his 27th birthday, July 6, 1972, Bush did not take his required annual medical exam at his Texas unit. As a consequence, he was suspended from flying military jets. Bush spokesperson Dan Bartlett told Georgemag.com: "You take that exam because you are flying, and he was not flying. The paperwork uses the phrase 'suspended from flying,' but he had no intention of flying at that time."
Some media reports have speculated that Bush took and failed his physical, or that he was grounded as a result of substance abuse. Bush's vagueness on the subject of his past drug use has only abetted such rumors. Bush's commanding officer in Texas, however, denies the charges. "His flying status was suspended because he didn't take the exam,not because he couldn't pass," says Hodges. Asked whether Bush was ever disciplined for using alcohol or illicit drugs, Hodges replied: "No."
On September 5, Bush wrote to then-Colonel Jerry Killian at his original unit in Texas, requesting permission to serve with the 187th Tactical Reconnaisance Group, another Alabama-based unit. "This duty would be for the months of September, October, and November," wrote Bush.
This time his request was approved: 10 days later, the Alabama Guard ordered Bush to report to then-Lieutenant Colonel William Turnipseed at Dannelly Air Force Base in Montgomery on October 7th and 8th. The memo noted that "Lieutenant Bush will not be able to satisfy his flight requirements with our group," since the 187th did not fly F-102s.
The question of whether Bush ever actually served in Alabama has become an issue in the 2000 campaign-the Air Force Times recently reported that "the GOP is trying to locate people who served with Bush in late 1972 ... to see if they can confirm that Bush briefly served with the Alabama Air National Guard." Bush's records contain no evidence that he reported to Dannelly in October. And in telephone interviews with Georgemag.com, neither Turnipseed, Bush's commanding officer, nor Kenneth Lott, then chief personnel officer of the 187th, remembered Bush serving with their unit. "I don't think he showed up," Turnipseed said.
Bush maintains he did serve in Alabama. "Governor Bush specifically remembers pulling duty in Montgomery and respectfully disagrees with the Colonel," says Bartlett. "There's no question it wasn't memorable, because he wasn't flying." In July, the Decatur Daily reported that two former Blount campaign workers recall Bush serving in the Alabama Air National Guard in the fall of 1972. "I remember he actually came back to Alabama for about a week to 10 days several weeks after the campaign was over to complete his Guard duty in the state," stated Emily Martin, a former Alabama resident who said she dated Bush during the time he spent in that state.
After the 1972 election, which Blount lost, Bush moved back to Houston and subsequently began working at P.U.L.L., a community service center for disadvantaged youths. This period of time has also become a matter of controversy, because even though Bush's original unit had been placed on alert duty in October 1972, his superiors in Texas lost track of his whereabouts. On May 2, 1973, Bush's squadron leader in the 147th, Lieutenant Colonel William Harris, Jr. wrote: "Lt. Bush has not been observed at this unit" for the past year. Harris incorrectly assumed that Bush had been reporting for duty in Alabama all along. He wrote that Bush "has been performing equivalent training in a non-flying status with the 187 Tac Recon Gp, Dannelly ANG Base, Alabama." Base commander Hodges says of Bush's return to Texas: "All I remember is someone saying he came back and made up his days."
Two documents obtained by Georgemag.com indicate that Bush did make up the time he missed during the summer and autumn of 1972. One is an April 23, 1973 order for Bush to report to annual active duty training the following month; the other is an Air National Guard statement of days served by Bush that is torn and undated but contains entries that correspond to the first. Taken together, they appear to establish that Bush reported for duty on nine occasions between November 29, 1972-when he could have been in Alabama-and May 24, 1973. Bush still wasn't flying, but over this span, he did earn nine points of National Guard service from days of active duty and 32 from inactive duty. When added to the 15 so-called "gratuitous" points that every member of the Guard got per year, Bush accumulated 56 points, more than the 50 that he needed by the end of May 1973 to maintain his standing as a Guardsman.
On May 1, Bush was ordered to report for further active duty training, and documents show that he proceeded to cram in another 10 sessions over the next two months. Ultimately, he racked up 19 active duty points of service and 16 inactive duty points by July 30-which, added to his 15 gratuitous points, achieved the requisite total of 50 for the year ending in May 1974.
On October 1, 1973, First Lieutenant George W. Bush received an early honorable discharge so that he could attend Harvard Business School. He was credited with five years, four months and five days of service toward his six-year service obligation.
At the Republican convention in Philadelphia, George W. Bush declared: "Our military is low on parts, pay and morale. If called on by the commander-in-chief today, two entire divisions of the Army would have to report, 'Not ready for duty, sir.'" Bush says he is the candidate who can "rebuild our military and prepare our armed forces for the future." On what direct military experience does he make such claims?
George W. Bush applied to join the Texas Air National Guard on May 27, 1968, less than two weeks before he graduated from Yale University. The country was at war in Vietnam, and at that time, just months after the bloody Tet Offensive, an estimated 100,000 Americans were on waiting lists to join Guard units across the country. Bush was sworn in on the day he applied.
Ben Barnes, former speaker of the Texas House of Representatives, stated in September 1999 that in late 1967 or early 1968, he asked a senior official in the Texas Air National Guard to help Bush get into the Guard as a pilot. Barnes said he did so at the behest of Sidney Adger, a Houston businessman and friend of former President George H. W. Bush, then a Texas congressman. Despite Barnes's admission, former President Bush has denied pulling strings for his son, and retired Colonel Walter Staudt, George W. Bush's first commander, insists: "There was no special treatment."
The younger Bush fulfilled two years of active duty and completed pilot training in June 1970. During that time and in the two years that followed, Bush flew the F-102, an interceptor jet equipped with heat-seeking missiles that could shoot down enemy planes. His commanding officers and peers regarded Bush as a competent pilot and enthusiastic Guard member. In March 1970, the Texas Air National Guard issued a press release trumpeting his performance: "Lt. Bush recently became the first Houston pilot to be trained by the 147th [Fighter Group] and to solo in the F-102... Lt. Bush said his father was just as excited and enthusiastic about his solo flight as he was." In Bush's evaluation for the period May 1, 1971 through April 30, 1972, then-Colonel Bobby Hodges, his commanding officer, stated, "I have personally observed his participation, and without exception, his performance has been noteworthy." In the spring of 1972, however, National Guard records show a sudden dropoff in Bush's military activity. Though trained as a pilot at considerable government expense, Bush stopped flying in April 1972 and never flew for the Guard again.
Around that time, Bush decided to go to work for Winton "Red" Blount, a Republican running for the U.S. Senate, in Alabama. Documents from Ellington Air Force Base in Houston state that Bush "cleared this base on 15 May." Shortly afterward, he applied for assignment to the 9921st Air Reserve Squadron in Montgomery, Ala., a unit that required minimal duty and offered no pay. Although that unit's commander was willing to welcome him, on May 31 higher-ups at the Air Reserve Personnel Center in Denver rejected Bush's request to serve at the 9921st, because it did not offer duty equivalent to his service in Texas. "[A]n obligated Reservist [in this case, Bush] can be assigned to a specific Ready Reserve position only," noted the disapproval memo, a copy of which was sent to Bush. "Therefore, he is ineligible for assignment to an Air Reserve Squadron."
Despite the military's decision, Bush moved to Alabama. Records obtained by Georegemag.com show that the Blount Senate campaign paid Bush about $900 a month from mid-May through mid-November to do advance work and organize events. Neither Bush's annual evaluation nor the Air National Guard's overall chronological listing of his service contain any evidence that he performed Guard duties during that summer.
On or around his 27th birthday, July 6, 1972, Bush did not take his required annual medical exam at his Texas unit. As a consequence, he was suspended from flying military jets. Bush spokesperson Dan Bartlett told Georgemag.com: "You take that exam because you are flying, and he was not flying. The paperwork uses the phrase 'suspended from flying,' but he had no intention of flying at that time."
Some media reports have speculated that Bush took and failed his physical, or that he was grounded as a result of substance abuse. Bush's vagueness on the subject of his past drug use has only abetted such rumors. Bush's commanding officer in Texas, however, denies the charges. "His flying status was suspended because he didn't take the exam,not because he couldn't pass," says Hodges. Asked whether Bush was ever disciplined for using alcohol or illicit drugs, Hodges replied: "No."
On September 5, Bush wrote to then-Colonel Jerry Killian at his original unit in Texas, requesting permission to serve with the 187th Tactical Reconnaisance Group, another Alabama-based unit. "This duty would be for the months of September, October, and November," wrote Bush.
This time his request was approved: 10 days later, the Alabama Guard ordered Bush to report to then-Lieutenant Colonel William Turnipseed at Dannelly Air Force Base in Montgomery on October 7th and 8th. The memo noted that "Lieutenant Bush will not be able to satisfy his flight requirements with our group," since the 187th did not fly F-102s.
The question of whether Bush ever actually served in Alabama has become an issue in the 2000 campaign-the Air Force Times recently reported that "the GOP is trying to locate people who served with Bush in late 1972 ... to see if they can confirm that Bush briefly served with the Alabama Air National Guard." Bush's records contain no evidence that he reported to Dannelly in October. And in telephone interviews with Georgemag.com, neither Turnipseed, Bush's commanding officer, nor Kenneth Lott, then chief personnel officer of the 187th, remembered Bush serving with their unit. "I don't think he showed up," Turnipseed said.
Bush maintains he did serve in Alabama. "Governor Bush specifically remembers pulling duty in Montgomery and respectfully disagrees with the Colonel," says Bartlett. "There's no question it wasn't memorable, because he wasn't flying." In July, the Decatur Daily reported that two former Blount campaign workers recall Bush serving in the Alabama Air National Guard in the fall of 1972. "I remember he actually came back to Alabama for about a week to 10 days several weeks after the campaign was over to complete his Guard duty in the state," stated Emily Martin, a former Alabama resident who said she dated Bush during the time he spent in that state.
After the 1972 election, which Blount lost, Bush moved back to Houston and subsequently began working at P.U.L.L., a community service center for disadvantaged youths. This period of time has also become a matter of controversy, because even though Bush's original unit had been placed on alert duty in October 1972, his superiors in Texas lost track of his whereabouts. On May 2, 1973, Bush's squadron leader in the 147th, Lieutenant Colonel William Harris, Jr. wrote: "Lt. Bush has not been observed at this unit" for the past year. Harris incorrectly assumed that Bush had been reporting for duty in Alabama all along. He wrote that Bush "has been performing equivalent training in a non-flying status with the 187 Tac Recon Gp, Dannelly ANG Base, Alabama." Base commander Hodges says of Bush's return to Texas: "All I remember is someone saying he came back and made up his days."
Two documents obtained by Georgemag.com indicate that Bush did make up the time he missed during the summer and autumn of 1972. One is an April 23, 1973 order for Bush to report to annual active duty training the following month; the other is an Air National Guard statement of days served by Bush that is torn and undated but contains entries that correspond to the first. Taken together, they appear to establish that Bush reported for duty on nine occasions between November 29, 1972-when he could have been in Alabama-and May 24, 1973. Bush still wasn't flying, but over this span, he did earn nine points of National Guard service from days of active duty and 32 from inactive duty. When added to the 15 so-called "gratuitous" points that every member of the Guard got per year, Bush accumulated 56 points, more than the 50 that he needed by the end of May 1973 to maintain his standing as a Guardsman.
On May 1, Bush was ordered to report for further active duty training, and documents show that he proceeded to cram in another 10 sessions over the next two months. Ultimately, he racked up 19 active duty points of service and 16 inactive duty points by July 30-which, added to his 15 gratuitous points, achieved the requisite total of 50 for the year ending in May 1974.
On October 1, 1973, First Lieutenant George W. Bush received an early honorable discharge so that he could attend Harvard Business School. He was credited with five years, four months and five days of service toward his six-year service obligation.
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Hmmm...so he was "sort of" AWOL?
How is this different than Clinton avoiding the draft? Or is it just that the Democrats have finally met a draft dodger they don't like?
How is this different than Clinton avoiding the draft? Or is it just that the Democrats have finally met a draft dodger they don't like?
Bill's Military History
Bill Clinton's Service Record before becoming Commander in Chief:
Bill Clinton registers for the draft on September 08, 1964, accepting all contractual conditions of registering for the draft.
Given Selective Service Number 3 26 46 228.
Bill Clinton classified 2-S on November 17, 1964.
Bill Clinton reclassified 1-A on March 20, 1968.
Bill Clinton ordered to report for induction on July 28, 1969.
Bill Clinton dishonors order to report and is not inducted into the military.
Bill Clinton reclassified 1-D after enlisting in the United States Army Reserves on August 07, 1969 under authority of Colonel E. Holmes.
Clinton signs enlistment papers and takes oath of enlistment.
Bill Clinton fails to report to his duty station at the University of Arkansas ROTC, September 1969.
Bill Clinton reclassified 1-A on October 30, 1969, as enlistment with Army Reserves is revoked by Colonel E. Holmes and Clinton now AWOL and subject to arrest under Public Law 90-40 (2)(a) 'registrant who has failed to report...remain liable for induction'.
Bill Clinton's birth date lottery number is 311, drawn December 1, 1969, but anyone who has already been ordered to report for induction is INELIGIBLE!
Bill Clinton runs for Congress (1974), while a fugitive from justice under Public Law 90-40.
Bill Clinton runs for Arkansas Attorney General (1976), while a fugitive from justice.
Bill Clinton receives pardon on January 21, 1977, from Carter.
Bill Clinton (FIRST PARDONED FEDERAL FELON) ever to serve as President.
Bill Clinton's Service Record before becoming Commander in Chief:
Bill Clinton registers for the draft on September 08, 1964, accepting all contractual conditions of registering for the draft.
Given Selective Service Number 3 26 46 228.
Bill Clinton classified 2-S on November 17, 1964.
Bill Clinton reclassified 1-A on March 20, 1968.
Bill Clinton ordered to report for induction on July 28, 1969.
Bill Clinton dishonors order to report and is not inducted into the military.
Bill Clinton reclassified 1-D after enlisting in the United States Army Reserves on August 07, 1969 under authority of Colonel E. Holmes.
Clinton signs enlistment papers and takes oath of enlistment.
Bill Clinton fails to report to his duty station at the University of Arkansas ROTC, September 1969.
Bill Clinton reclassified 1-A on October 30, 1969, as enlistment with Army Reserves is revoked by Colonel E. Holmes and Clinton now AWOL and subject to arrest under Public Law 90-40 (2)(a) 'registrant who has failed to report...remain liable for induction'.
Bill Clinton's birth date lottery number is 311, drawn December 1, 1969, but anyone who has already been ordered to report for induction is INELIGIBLE!
Bill Clinton runs for Congress (1974), while a fugitive from justice under Public Law 90-40.
Bill Clinton runs for Arkansas Attorney General (1976), while a fugitive from justice.
Bill Clinton receives pardon on January 21, 1977, from Carter.
Bill Clinton (FIRST PARDONED FEDERAL FELON) ever to serve as President.
I agree. It was disappointing that the mainstream media never picked up on it (well, apart from the Boston Globe). Something for Conservatives to think about the next time they start babbling about the biased, unfair, liberal media.
Yeah, and Clinton was "sort of" unfaithful. AWOL is AWOL. Check out AWOLBush to see some of the documents proving his absence. Also note that Bush has never released his military records, as McCain and Gore did. Also, anyone that can actually prove that he wasn't AWOL can win themselves a nice monetary reward (see the aforementioned webpage). To date, no one's claimed the money.
As I recall, Bubba got student deferments (like Cheney, although unlike Cheney he was a Rhodes scholar and did well in school and didn't flunk out of Yale--a school that dimwit Dubya actually managed to pass), then pulled a sign-up-for-but-never-join the ROTC. He objected to the war in Vietnam, and later had a change of heart (albeit a change probably motivated more by wanting to have a political career than out of an interest in doing the right thing), and was entered in the draft. Only a high number saved him.
But see, Bubba was against the war, and found ways to get out. The Republicans--like Dubya--tended to publicly support the war with lip service, but not their own warm bodies. That's a chickenhawk! Remember Paul Harvey? (I do.) He was all for Vietnam, and happy to see kids getting sent over and slaughtered. He nattered on and on about what a great cause. Oh, but the moment his son got picked he changed his tune. Typical Republican philosophy at work: it's OK as long as it's the poor folks sacrificing themselves. But don't think about sending a rich dude's kid. That's what being a chickenhawk is all about.
So basically, the difference is that Clinton never served, so he couldn't go AWOL. Bush got cushy Guard duty, and he couldn't even be bothered to fulfill that. He skipped out. I like the quote in the stuff that Sam posted about how he decided to go to Alabama anyway, even though he was told no. Boy, that sure set the tone for his decision making processes didn't it?
Ken, I'm not saying Bubba was much better than Dubya, but I think avoiding service in the first place because you object to the war is a different thing (morally) than being a proponent of the war, signing up, starting to serve, and then not showing up just because you want to do something else.
That's not a very ethical thing to do. But then again, it's pretty much what you'd expect from a D-student, ex-cokehead, alcoholic, failed buisinessman who is an all around miserable failure.
That's not a very ethical thing to do. But then again, it's pretty much what you'd expect from a D-student, ex-cokehead, alcoholic, failed buisinessman who is an all around miserable failure.
I've always been more interested in the crimes Clinton committed while President. I, personally, applauded Clinton's good sense to avoid the pizz poor war that LBJ ran. Democrats can't do a war without getting everyone killed.
But that's neither here nor there because we're not talking about Clinton - we're talking about Bush. I find it surprising that the media isn't making hay out of this, nor did they during the election. Judy Woodruff sneered every time she said his name - surely she would have picked up this story. Katie Couric practically gags when she has to say the name "Bush" - why isn't she going after this?
As I just read the above paragraph to Larry, he said, "These people supported a full blown draft dodger. Why would they bother with a semi-AWOL George Bush?"
Which makes sense. Because if one of the news folks dared to bring up Dub's AWOL, they might get reminded that they supported Bill Clinton.
I didn't say Bush was any better than Clinton, just posted some facts about Clinton, who later sent our boys into harm's way without a qualm being the anti-war person he is. And you are right they are different. Clinton illegally avoided service while Bush seems to have done it legally (being the dummy that he is). Is that your b!tch?
jlabsher
Sorry about that chief.
Apparently the Clinton envy returns again. Gee why is Dumbya being singled out. Oh lets see because he is the CURRENT PRESIDENT!?!?! No that couldn't be it, hmmm. Why are folks worried about Clinton? Cause if he could run again HE'D WIN? No that couldn't be right.
The fact is that republicans are always holier than thou when it comes to military & defense, in many cases spending the nation into oblivion to support their ideas (remember the 600 ship navy of Reagan?) Once a chickenhawk always a chickenhawk.
The fact is that republicans are always holier than thou when it comes to military & defense, in many cases spending the nation into oblivion to support their ideas (remember the 600 ship navy of Reagan?) Once a chickenhawk always a chickenhawk.
SurfaceTension
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Seems Dean has issues too...Something about deferment 'cause of a bad back, then spent the summer working construction/concrete (NYTimes, IIRC).
Kinda like championing the poor yet fighting against Section 8 housing when it comes to a neighborhood near you?
(Sorry, couldn't resist
)Mr. Clinton established quite a number of precidents that will be cited for years to come...No need to get snippy or claim envy when these arepointed out.
Tonio
Asperger's Poster Child
Both parties are full of holier-than-thou hypocrites. They have no standards for making and enforcing laws, other than those supported by their financial sugar daddies (unions for the Dems, corporations for the Reps). It's all based on whose oxen are being gored. I say we should gore all their oxen.
jlabsher
Sorry about that chief.
Well Surface Tension, (whatever that moniker means) firstly, just because I don't march lockstep with this administration's policies I am called a democrat by the open minded individuals on this board. Of course when I lived on the left coast I was called a republican. Go figure.
Second, I don't recall championing the poor anytime recently, in fact I believe I made a post awhile ago about housing not being a constitutional right.
Dumbya was a silver spoon boy from the get-go, I laughed when he ran on a DC outsider platform, now we have a budget deficit over $600 B. Like all politicians he knows how to spend, unlike others, he doesn't know how to pay for it.
Second, I don't recall championing the poor anytime recently, in fact I believe I made a post awhile ago about housing not being a constitutional right.
Dumbya was a silver spoon boy from the get-go, I laughed when he ran on a DC outsider platform, now we have a budget deficit over $600 B. Like all politicians he knows how to spend, unlike others, he doesn't know how to pay for it.
B
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Speaking as a former military member, I can say that commanders who have AWOL personnel do not go out and beat the bushes, no pun intended, to find them. They file charges against them and then let the applicable military investigative service go out and find them. The fact that there were never any charges filed against Bush tells me that someone, somewhere, knew where he was during the time he was suppossed to be AWOL. Also, reserve and NG service is usually performed on the weekends, when colonels aren't working. So I wouldn't expect these high-ranking officers to have any clue if Bush was aboard or not. The only way that they would have known would have been if, going back to my original statement, someone had reported him missing.
Forget about Clinton... he avoided service - 'nough said. How's about looking at Senator Chuck Robb of VA, a colonel in the USMC Reserve. This guy was placed on report numerous times for being AWOL from drill weekends and ACDUTRA periods, and not only doesn't he get punished but his name gets placed ahead of many other LTCols on the promotion list so that he could be promoted to colonel!
Forget about Clinton... he avoided service - 'nough said. How's about looking at Senator Chuck Robb of VA, a colonel in the USMC Reserve. This guy was placed on report numerous times for being AWOL from drill weekends and ACDUTRA periods, and not only doesn't he get punished but his name gets placed ahead of many other LTCols on the promotion list so that he could be promoted to colonel!