A LOL tweet from Alyssa Milano
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black dog
Free America
I didn't say anything about convenience, being raped or health either. But you tossed that nugget in.
black dog
Free America
Not a chance.
PeoplesElbow
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I can't say I know this is the case for all, but of the few women that I know had an abortion 1. Husband did not want another kid 2. Condom broke and she got pregnant and 3. Birth Control did not work because she was taking antibiotics.
Any sane woman would not have an abortion as a regular method of birth control because it is an invasive procedure that has to be recovered from, 2. On my list almost died afterward because she did not want to miss marching band practice (college band) because if you miss practice you don't get to be in the halftime show that week. She collapsed on the field and started bleeding.
Smokey1
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Please quote where I "shamed" anyone. SMH
I'm not sure where you're going with this post. Are you saying that the examples you gave were abortions of necessity and not convenience?
Keep in mind that I am NOT anti-abortion. I just prefer to call things what they are and not pretend they're something else.
Yooper
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The following is not a criticism; rather, an observation.
It's interesting how - in any heated "it's my body, it's my choice" discussion of abortion - the one party to the matter who is never "thought of" is the product of the "mistake." It's almost as if we're arguing about the participants in a drive-by shooting and paying no mind to the innocents shot in the crossfire.
Well, I would take issue with that. In the Soviet Union (then)/in Russia (now) the number one form of birth control was/is abortion (I won't/can't speak to other areas, but I can about the USSR/RF because that was my career's area of focus).
One of the disturbing things we know about the issue there is that woman do routinely and rationally choose abortion. It's cheap, available, and believed to be an easy solution to the "problem." That it renders many women sterile is also seen as a boon: permanent birth control. But that choice turns out to be rather short-sighted and tactical: in the long-term and at the national (strategic) level it's been a catastrophe: millions of aborted babies and multitudes of sterile women (one reason Russia today is suffering a double dose of a real demographic crisis).
But the current situation in the U.S. is far from what was/is in the Soviet Union/Russia. Folks here have unprecedented access to birth control and yet (as Vrai noted) the number one reason for abortion remains convenience (last I looked, in excess of 95% of them are not as a result of rape, incest, mother's health, or disability/viability). What is even more frightening is that the mindset that produced the demographic, social, and moral crisis we see in Russia has taken root here in the U.S. That can't bode well for us, can it?
Abortion, when all is said and done, is a shameful affair. Other than the ghouls who reap the profits of the abortion industry, nobody wins. Frankly, to say otherwise is disingenuous.
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Well, that's easy. If they're ashamed of their actions or behavior, it's because someone shamed them. Some people cannot accept responsibility for themselves, so it's your fault if they feel bad about things they've done. Because you, a stranger on the internet, are all-powerful and can control people you don't even know with just a post.
PeoplesElbow
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My point was two of them were an "emergency backup measure", but really what isn't a convenience other than having food, water, and staying alive.
The third was a woman who felt she had no choice and was forced to do it by her husband, according to her he told her that he would leave her if she didn't.
PeoplesElbow
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Understood that it is an observation.
I don't place a whole lot of importance on what Russians do, you ever see some of the stupid crap they do? There are thousands of youtube videos of Russians doing things that people elsewhere are too smart to do.
Her husband sounds abusive and she should probably dump him anyway, aside from terminating her pregnancy. I can't even imagine having a child exposed to a guy like that.
I really don't care if women abort their pregnancies every day and twice on Sunday, for whatever reason they have. I believe the world is better off when we limit our unwanted children. But it IS a termination of convenience and I'm not sure how or why anyone would take issue with that.
Yooper
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I would counter that we can see great similarities in observing social trends there/then and here/now. Today's "push to socialism/communism" by growing numbers of the "elite" (used here, not as a pejorative but as a descriptor of a certain part of the demographic), certain portions of the middle class (urban/suburban), and young folks is remarkably similar to the social trends/dynamics of Imperial Russia in the 25 years run-up to the Russian Revolution.
Folks back then wrote off these social revolutionaries as minimal in number and influence. Bourgeoisie women who dabbled in supporting the drive (like today's suburban "Bernie supporters") were laughed off as being addle-brained and having too much time on their hands. Yet....
Fairness, gender equality/equivalence, "my body, my choice" (yes, even "sex strikes"), wage disparities, the list could go on and on. One would be amazed if one undertook a study of the protest banners/signs of "then" with the stuff we see "now."
I do believe that while history doesn't exactly repeat, it is instructive in the generally cyclic nature of things. Especially with regard to social dynamics. Ecclesiastes 1:19 and all that.
It's funny that ^^^this^^^ is very much the same as what Russians would say about Americans. In the numerous examples they cited they weren't wrong.
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PeoplesElbow
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He was, biggest condescending, self important douche I ever met and that includes some of the people on here. They were my ex's parents.
PeoplesElbow
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Somewhat off topic, but between videos like this and a bunch of drunk people is how I think of Russia, may be off, but that is how I picture it.
Yeah, we noticed they don't think slapstick is funny - or anything where someone gets hurt and it's intended to be funny.
We laugh when someone gets hit in the groin or makes a face plant - but they don't.
What we DID find that they thought was funny wouldn't make most of us laugh at all.
On the other hand - we did notice both our girls think pratfalls and America's Funniest Video violence is hysterical.
This_person
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According to Guttmacher, approximately 95% of abortions fit into "convenience of the mother" categories. In other words, they are elective. They are a choice to eliminate a pregnancy. They are not for the mother's health. They are not because of rape or incest. Those fit in to the 5%.
If "an elective way to end a healthy pregnancy" is not birth control, what is it?
If "an elective way to end a healthy pregnancy" is not birth control, what is it?
I must be part Russian because I don't think people getting hurt is funny, either. Monello will laugh like crazy over the "hold mah beer and watch this" vids, and I'm like, "OMG, is he okay???"