Abortion

demsformd

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Recently I was driving through Leonardtown and I noticed that there were crosses in front of St. Alyosius Church to protest the practice of abortion. A sign there said that each hour 721 babies die because of "choice." This is the exact wording of the sign.

I am a devote Roman Catholic. I have been my whole life but I am immensely sick of my church's attempts to dictate morals to other people. This is a awful tactic that's only purpose is to guilt people into thinking the same way as a restrictive hierachy.

I have this to say to my fellow Christians and especially Catholics...the militant opposition that you offer to abortion is contrary to the grace of God and contrary to the beliefs of this nation. Abortion IS wrong in my moral opinion. It is the wrong choice and it has much more detrimental effects than positive ones. It kills a child that was conceived at the action of God. This is the moral opinion that I hold and the opinion of many Christians as me.

Yet the tactics of the Christian pro-lifers are ones that are not of love or compassion. We need to ask ourselves, would Christ go in front of a church and nail crosses in the ground? No, he would not. Would he go to DC and throw blood on the ground during the pro-life march? No, he would not. Would he turn away those that have abortions because they are immoral corrupt souls? No, he would not. Would Christ attempt to force the government to remove choice? No, he would not. Instead, my friends, he would go to people and tell them that abortion offers two choices - one that is indicative of love and one that is wrong and murder. God gave us free will, which includes the right to treat ourselves poorly and the right to abort a child. Yet he wants us to make the right choice, not the wrong one.

Under the tenure of the past two pro-life presidents, the abortion rate in America increased. Under the tenure of the last pro-choice executive, the abortion rate declined. The 14th Amendment states that those who have the rights of the Constitution are "those born and naturalized." Despite our moral belief that one is alive from the moment of conception, that belief cannot apply here. Partial-birth abortion is against this concept and thus could be banned, yet taking away the choice completely is reckless and contrary to American belief in free will and freedom. To make abortion a thing of the past, tell your children about its detrimental effects, it will do much more than nailing crosses in the earth or going to DC to rave like maniacs.
 

Sharon

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Originally posted by demsformd
I am a devote Roman Catholic. We need to ask ourselves, would Christ go in front of a church and nail crosses in the ground? No, he would not.
How do you know what Christ would do? He overturned the temple once because of his disaproval. Didn't Catholics go and nail Christ to the cross inside the church? Where's the outrage there? Why does this bother you so much.

PS... I saw this today and I didn't give it a second thought. I'm not pro-abortion but I think it's a much gentler way than plastering pics of dead babies all over a van and driving it around town to get their message across. Why is having the crosses there not moral? Could you be lumping Christian pro-lifers with the extremists?
 

Oz

You're all F'in Mad...
This issue belongs in the churches where you saw the sign, and with families. NOT in our political system. Your message tries to address this as a political issue, but I'd be happier if both parties dropped abortion from their platform.
 
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Heretic

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Originally posted by demsformd


I am a devote Roman Catholic. I have been my whole life but I am immensely sick of my church's attempts to dictate morals to other people.

Hate to burst your bubble there dems but thats what church is all about.

Do Not Kill
Do Not Covet your neighbors wife
etc etc
 

vraiblonde

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Not only that, Dems, but the church is only exercising it's First Amendment rights. You certainly wouldn't want to squelch free speech, now would you? If you don't like it, don't look at it.
:bubble:
 

smcdem

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I am not a representative on what the school thinks on this issue. Sure they would be upset but don't you think they are driving hazards?
 

demsformd

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My beef with this is that actions such as putting the crosses up is counter-productive to the cause of halting abortions. We need to reason with people instead of blindly telling people that they are wrong. It is in no way a gentle reminder, it is a divisive statement that quite frankly I won't agree with. I am sick of the Pope telling regular Catholics how to live when all these priests are molesting little boys. How can their morals affect us?

To smcdem, I know how tough it is to be liberal at a school of stupid Catholic conservatives that are uninformed. I can take the opinion of an informed person (liberal, moderate, or conservative) but from an informed person, no. I graduated from Ryken back in the day and I had one that graduated from there a decade ago, but I'm not sending another child there.
 

demsformd

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Originally posted by smcdem
I am not a representative on what the school thinks on this issue. Sure they would be upset but don't you think they are driving hazards?

That is my problem with that school. How the hell can a school have a position on abortion in government? Catholicism is based on respect for life, love, and compassion, not fighting government dictate. The pro-lifers are so militant that they overlook their own families, causing the children of many pro-lifers to have abortions themselves because their parents told them just to fight against the choice instead of making the right choice.
 
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Heretic

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What the pro life people should be doing is working at reducing the number of abortions by working on educating people on how to prevent unwanted pregnancy, provide birthcontrol to those that are going to have sex anyway, etc.

After all their message is supposed to be that abortion is wrong so wouldnt doing these things (that will probably cut the number of abortions more than preaching fire and brimstone) make more sense?

I'll will admit that I am anti abortion, but not for religious reasons (Im not a religious person) I believe it is a dangerous procedure after seeing two of my friends almost die from these so called safe, sanitary, routine procedures. One of them can never have children now, all because of a mistake she made when she was 17.

I also believe the father has legal rights, but thats a whole other can of worms.
 

smcdem

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Ha this is how corrupt the Pro-Life movement is. In 8th grade at faw, if you went to the pro life rally you were given 7 hours of community service. This was 2 days after the inag. and guess what i wore, yes the Gore Lieberman 2000 shirt!!! M teacher made me put my sweatshirt back on though:(
 
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Kizzy

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My beef with this is that actions such as putting the crosses up is counter-productive to the cause of halting abortions.

What does the cross signify to you?

[1 Cor 1:18] For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
 

SmallTown

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Originally posted by Heretic
smcdem if thats what you call courupt you have alot to learn

True.. If he wants a big dose of corruptions, read history about the catholic church.. You will get more corruption than you ever dreamed of.
 

MDindef

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Originally posted by bluto
cultural relativism

Good use of language here...

...because that's what our society (read: the Hollywood agenda) teaches us. What's okay for me might not be okay for you. What's wrong for me might not be wrong for you. If it feels good for you, then have at it. I'm okay, you're okay.

But I don't buy it. There are (I believe) at least a basic set of moral standards everyone should follow.
 

Oz

You're all F'in Mad...
Originally posted by smcdem
Ha this is how corrupt the Pro-Life movement is. In 8th grade at faw, if you went to the pro life rally you were given 7 hours of community service. This was 2 days after the inag. and guess what i wore, yes the Gore Lieberman 2000 shirt!!! M teacher made me put my sweatshirt back on though:(

I don't see how your choice of fashion, relates to corruption in the pro-life movement? Seems more like your teacher was trying to avoid a conflict with idiots at the rally who wouldn't appreciate a political statement from an 8th grader.

Protecting a child (you!) is hardly corruption!
 

Frank

Chairman of the Board
2 days after the inauguration, and you were wearing a T-shirt? That would be *January*, right? And a teacher said, put a sweatshirt *BACK* on (meaning you took it off, for some reason)? Sounds like good sense to me.
 
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