Abortion

[Penn]

No, just when she says she has a headache . . .

Originally posted by MDindef
You mean all the time, or just on the issue of abortion?

Really, the way I view it, a woman most certainly does have a right to control her own body; notice I said her own body.
It's a whole can of worms when it's right to abort a fetus, but generally I'm going to go with idea it should be done within the first trimester. But what about later if the pregnancy causes serious health problems for the mother? I can
not suscribe to partial-birth abortions, nope; except again, to save the life of the mother.
What really frosted me was when, a few years back, the papers and news shows reported how much abortion was being used as a method of birth control! I don't remember the figures quoted, but they were outrageous, especially in the major cities like New York, LA, and Chicago. Made ME sit up and notice, alright.
For the most part, I think if you've gotten pregnant, and it wasn't planned, you don't want it, can't support it, etc, I'm in the opinion of going full term, giving birth and either give the child to a family member, or, put it up for adoption. Do not kill the baby, there are couples out there who cannot have children. Give them a chance to realize their dream. JMHO

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[vraiblonde]

Originally posted by alex
If you are going to start talking morals and commandments then "Thou shalt not kill" applies in ALL cases not just selective cases.

You better dig out your Bible, pally - the Commandment is "Thou shalt not commit murder".

 

[Penn]

Originally posted by pixiegirl
Really they have no control over it? I thought when you sued a doctor it was called malpractice meaning they did something wrong.

True all a doctor wants is your money but they're doing you a service that will benefit you. You're willingly paying for a service. How in the hell can you even try to compare that to being robbed and assaulted at knifepoint?

You argue just to argue I've learned but if this is really how you see the world you should just off yourself now and get it over with.

:razz2: So, does this mean you'd like to invite ST to your next party, and exchange some more views?

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[pixiegirl]

Originally posted by penncam
:razz2: So, does this mean you'd like to invite ST to your next party, and exchange some more views?

penn

He wouldn't be able to handle it. He'd fall in love with me and leave his wife and follow me around like a little lost puppy. I don't want to be a home wrecker.

 

[SmallTown]

Originally posted by pixiegirl
He wouldn't be able to handle it. He'd fall in love with me and leave his wife and follow me around like a little lost puppy. I don't want to be a home wrecker.

I have pretty good self control, so don't worry about that

 

[Penn]

Oh, now wait a minute!

Originally posted by SmallTown
I have pretty good self control, so don't worry about that

:razz2: I and others might think the jury is still out on that one; ie., still up for a vote!

:razz2: penn

 

[Penn]

Reversal of Fortune, maybe......

Originally posted by pixiegirl
He wouldn't be able to handle it. He'd fall in love with me and leave his wife and follow me around like a little lost puppy. I don't want to be a home wrecker.

You may want to reconsider, Pixegirl, somehow hearing ST describe himself in prior posts, I do not think you'd want this "little lost puppy" following you about. I could be wrong, JMHO

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[pixiegirl]

Re: Reversal of Fortune, maybe......

Originally posted by penncam
You may want to reconsider, Pixegirl, somehow hearing ST describe himself in prior posts, I do not think you'd want this "little lost puppy" following you about. I could be wrong, JMHO

penn

No I don't want him following me around that's why I said he wouldn't be able to handle it and that I don't want to be a home wrecker.

 

[pixiegirl]

Originally posted by SmallTown
I have pretty good self control, so don't worry about that

I'm not worried trust me.

 

[SmallTown]

Originally posted by pixiegirl
I'm not worried trust me.

Glad to hear it

 

[Makavide]

I will admit, I am against abortion. I find it very immoral, but that is my upbringing.

I am gonna stretch some things here and try and tie two of these threads together.

By making abortion legal, we are also saying it is morally acceptable to kill the unborn child. So if it is morally acceptable to kill an unborn child, because it is not a person yet, then when does this child become a person. We have all heard the stories of some people giving birth in a motel room, or lavotory of the school and the proud parents just wlking away from the child and letting it die of exposure or whatever. Why are we (those who defend abortion, and those who oppose) so offended when this happens. We tell are children it is okay to kill the fetus - maybe in thier minds that even after birth it is still a fetus so it is still morally aceptable to kill the child.

So, if they still feel it is morally aceptable to kill the child right after birth, then maybe there are still some people out there who feel it is morally accpetable to just drop the kid in a river to go on a date. I maybe wrong, but is it possible that the parents, of those who drowned their children, beratted them for not going ahead and having an abortion in the first place because it is allowed. So maybe now these kids are thinking if I should have had an abortion in the first place like every one thinks, I am allowed to get rid of the kid.

Just my thoughts this morning after reading the threads.

 

[Kain99]

Abortion - definitely on the list of subjects you don't talk about unless your ready for a passionate discussion.

Abortion is murder. There is simply no other way to look at it. It has nothing to do with a woman's body.

The let me choose what I do with my own body argument is just a smoke screen.

 

[Penn]

Originally posted by Kain99
Abortion is murder. There is simply no other way to look at it. It has nothing to do with a woman's body.

The let me choose what I do with my own body argument is just a smoke screen.

In the matter of semantics, Kain, you're right; in it's strictest, purest form, abortion is murder. That is why my previous post has the flavor it describes.
But in the same vein, I can't dictate to a woman what she should or should not do with her body. It's her choice , and that has to be respected. All anyone can ask is for some sensible judgement be considered. Trouble is, we get into all kinds of moral issues, personal and societal emotions, politically correct thinking, religion, and other areas of psychobable, the lines get blurred. So women ask "What am I supposed to do?"
Because it involves life, because it involves mothers, and it involves choice, there are no easy, one-cure-for all answers, it will remain a highly volatle, sticky subject.

Me, I'm just a guy, but that's my sense of it.
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[Tim Mcneil]

I support abortion rights because I fear that if the government decides to outlaw it, what is stopping them from saying that the people must have abortions once they hit a certain amount of children (just like the Chinese do). Getting rid of the right to control one's own body and the child that she carries is one of the most tyrannical actions that a government can take.

Yes abortion is murder morally, yet the Constitution does not decree that it is murder legally. Rick earlier referred to the 14th Amendment and the definition of a citizen as anyone that is born or naturalized. Thus an unborn child does not have any rights, including the right to life. I think that people need to make their own decisions and be responsible for their own actions - free of ANY government decree.

 

[vraiblonde]

the 14th Amendment and the definition of a citizen as anyone that is born or naturalized. Thus an unborn child does not have any rights, including the right to life.

That's a good point - but it's still gross. We get all excited about people who mistreat animals in this country - yet we have government sanctioned fetus-cide. What gives? Are puppies and kittens really more important than human life?

 

[Penn]

One word

Originally posted by vraiblonde
That's a good point - but it's still gross. We get all excited about people who mistreat animals in this country - yet we have government sanctioned fetus-cide. What gives? Are puppies and kittens really more important than human life?

I got one word for ya: PETA. They drive a lot of programs,
tour the country, looking for mistreatment of animals. Some times
they get a little overboard on it.
We, on the other hand, being the educated humans that we are, well we're supposed to have more sense; to know what life is about, make rational decisions, aren't we? Uh-Huh!!


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[vraiblonde]

Originally posted by penncam
I got one word for ya: PETA.

Yeah, no kidding - you should see 'em when they come on here boycotting the circus or something.

 

[Kain99]

Originally posted by Tim Mcneil
I support abortion rights because I fear that if the government decides to outlaw it, what is stopping them from saying that the people must have abortions once they hit a certain amount of children (just like the Chinese do).

Rick earlier referred to the 14th Amendment and the definition of a citizen as anyone that is born or naturalized. I think that people need to make their own decisions and be responsible for their own actions - free of ANY government decree.

So the first part of your post basically points out the old - "If ya give em' an inch they'll take a mile theroy." Interesting, especially since we are talking about the United States not some Third World dictatorship. It cracks me up to hear the American people taking credit for the Governments good behavior.

But.... Even more interesting is the second part of your post. You site, a Government decree (The 14th Amendment) In an effort to support the notion that people need to make their own decisions FREE of ANY Government decree.