Abuse Of Privileges?
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Chrystee
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TexasPride77 said:
The tax payers do foot the bill, but they really don't get paid enough for what they do every day. So often I hear of police officers dying in the line of fire, just doing their job. They deserve the breaks they get.
I agree with whoever said it pays by having police presence. In Florida last week, we noticed they had unmanned cop cars all over they keys. These cars were obviously just sitting on the sides of the roads, because you could see where the grass was growing up over the tires. However, I noticed they were effective deterrents, because people drove a little slower.
*Uncle is a cop in MI*
Texaspride77
Its called get the job as an Police officer and you can have the privilegde to drive one, but remember the headache it comes with, being on call 24/7 ,getting called in the middle of the night to come out to work, for storms, missing persons, ect, Till ya wear the shoes of a Police person dont be a hater,
Its called get the job as an Police officer and you can have the privilegde to drive one, but remember the headache it comes with, being on call 24/7 ,getting called in the middle of the night to come out to work, for storms, missing persons, ect, Till ya wear the shoes of a Police person dont be a hater,
CrashTest
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Somdmommy said:
I’m not a fan of off duty cops working private security details. When cops start taking money from private citizens, it’s a recipe for corruption.
I used to live in New Orleans. Private security details are common down there because the cops make no money (lowest police salaries in the nation). In New Orleans, it doesn’t take long for new cops to catch on. Those “private security details” soon become “turning a blind eye to illegal activity in exchange for cash” (AKA bribery). Everyone knows that New Orleans has the most corrupt police department in the nation and it’s due to the uncontrolled use of so called “private security details”.
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Dixie
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itsbob said:
And that gave him the right to question me six different ways about drinking? Get close enough to smell my breath? Accuse me of lying? Tell me he was going to run me in for not telling him the truth about my last name? That's BS!
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Bustem' Down
Give Peas a Chance
I've read through this and there is a reoccuring theme of stupid people. I don't think reading for comprehension is a lot of people's strong points. TexasPride at no time was bashing any cops, he was merely asking a question in pursuit of knowledge, something that seems to seriously be lacking with some people. Don't act like there has never been a police officer who has not abused privileges and as someone paying taxes, if I didn't know the rules or laws, I would be concerned about how my money is being spent and seek out the correct answers. This is especially pointed at the people later in the thread who, probably without reading anything, immediatly jumped on the "don't talk bad about cops, cop hater" bandwagon.
Bustem' Down
Give Peas a Chance
Yes it does. If you don't like it, stay away from military bases. If it were me, I wouldn't have threatened you, I just would have done it.Dixie said:
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Dixie
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Bustem' Down said:
I respect your point, I just disagree with it.
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Dixie
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Bustem' Down said:
Wait a minute. You'd have run me in because you "thought" I was misspelling my last name? You don't think that's overboard?
Dixie,
If you want an answer to where the DoD police have jurisdiction, just ask a St. Marys Sheriff. They will now exactly what their jurisdiction is and any areas under an MOU agreement.
I based my answer to you before, that the DoD officer was not within his jurisdiction because of the following:
1) a Post Office, while still a piece of Federal Property, does not fall under
the Department of Defense.
2) In Charles County where I work, we have a U.S. Post Office just 75 yards
outside of the gate at Indian Head NOS and DoD has no authority on
that property. CCSO handles all incidents at that location, unless the
U.S. Postal Inspectors choose to get involved.
Also, you refer to the officer "running" you. Thats is nothing more than a warrant check through Law Enforcement data bases. Thats not a detention or an indication you have done anything wrong.
Now for the other side of the coin.
If the DoD officer was traveling (I assume from your description that he was in some kind of police car) from different points that his job requires, and came past the post office, and observed you, and anybody you were with, at a late hour. It is certainly possible that your actions and presence at the post officer were suspicious. It would not be out of line for him to stop and, determine if some type of criminal activity was occuring. If he did determined criminal activity was in fact occuring, he could detain the offender, until the St. Marys County Sheriff arrived, who would have handled the incident. The type of criminal activity I am refering to here would be someone breaking into the building or causing a destruction of property.
You need to remember that you know you were not doing anything wrong, but a Policeman driving by a government building, late at night, long past closing time, may perceive just your presence as suspicious and out of place.
In this case, he stopped and asked some basic questions, determined you were not up to any criminal activity based on those questions, and went on his way. This may be what happened in your case.
Contrary to some folks ideas, the police are allowed to talk to citizens and ask questions. Their is no law that exists that prohibits the police from approaching you and asking you who you are and what you are doing, when you are in public. If you choose the option not to answer, then things may go several different directions and it is possible the officer(s) may engage further contact. Shining a flashlight on someone by the police at night during this type of contact does not violate any civil or constitutional rights. *I noted you were particularly offended by that.
Dixie, the bottom line here is if you feel the officer acted improperly, DoD does have a complaint process just like other police agencies. I would encourage you to use it, if you feel something was unappropriate. If you are just curious about the juristiction issue, to get a accurate answer, ask (or call) any St. Marys County Officer. They can tell you, because they won't handle incidents on property if it belongs to DoD unless they have an MOU in place.
Again, I hope I have shed some light on your question and maybe helped you understand what may have happened.
If you want an answer to where the DoD police have jurisdiction, just ask a St. Marys Sheriff. They will now exactly what their jurisdiction is and any areas under an MOU agreement.
I based my answer to you before, that the DoD officer was not within his jurisdiction because of the following:
1) a Post Office, while still a piece of Federal Property, does not fall under
the Department of Defense.
2) In Charles County where I work, we have a U.S. Post Office just 75 yards
outside of the gate at Indian Head NOS and DoD has no authority on
that property. CCSO handles all incidents at that location, unless the
U.S. Postal Inspectors choose to get involved.
Also, you refer to the officer "running" you. Thats is nothing more than a warrant check through Law Enforcement data bases. Thats not a detention or an indication you have done anything wrong.
Now for the other side of the coin.
If the DoD officer was traveling (I assume from your description that he was in some kind of police car) from different points that his job requires, and came past the post office, and observed you, and anybody you were with, at a late hour. It is certainly possible that your actions and presence at the post officer were suspicious. It would not be out of line for him to stop and, determine if some type of criminal activity was occuring. If he did determined criminal activity was in fact occuring, he could detain the offender, until the St. Marys County Sheriff arrived, who would have handled the incident. The type of criminal activity I am refering to here would be someone breaking into the building or causing a destruction of property.
You need to remember that you know you were not doing anything wrong, but a Policeman driving by a government building, late at night, long past closing time, may perceive just your presence as suspicious and out of place.
In this case, he stopped and asked some basic questions, determined you were not up to any criminal activity based on those questions, and went on his way. This may be what happened in your case.
Contrary to some folks ideas, the police are allowed to talk to citizens and ask questions. Their is no law that exists that prohibits the police from approaching you and asking you who you are and what you are doing, when you are in public. If you choose the option not to answer, then things may go several different directions and it is possible the officer(s) may engage further contact. Shining a flashlight on someone by the police at night during this type of contact does not violate any civil or constitutional rights. *I noted you were particularly offended by that.
Dixie, the bottom line here is if you feel the officer acted improperly, DoD does have a complaint process just like other police agencies. I would encourage you to use it, if you feel something was unappropriate. If you are just curious about the juristiction issue, to get a accurate answer, ask (or call) any St. Marys County Officer. They can tell you, because they won't handle incidents on property if it belongs to DoD unless they have an MOU in place.
Again, I hope I have shed some light on your question and maybe helped you understand what may have happened.
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Dixie
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Huh? Just picking at pieces of this since I'm kinda not really too interested in this thread anymore. Bustem or whoever that was said he wouldn't threaten to run me in, if he thought I was lying, he'd just do it. Running me" and "run me in" are two different subjects.
There are a lot of people walking at 5am, it's not an unreasonable hour for walking. How much have you had to drink, what have you been drinking, when did you have your last drink (I'm paraphrasing) is not a reasonable question if there is no reason to think that I had been drinking (i.e. walking rather fast, walking a straight line, dressed in clothes suitable for walking, listening to a walkman etc. etc).
As far as the flashlight is concerned. What made you think I was particularly offended by that? I was annoyed and more than a bit blinded but offended? Not so much.
I'm not even sure why you felt the need to clarify. You did a great job the first time, my remarks back to Bustem maybe? I was merely commenting that I think it's really overkill to run someone in because you think they're lying about their last name. Especially if they're off base DoD.
Regardless thank you for taking the time.
Peace, I'm finished.
There are a lot of people walking at 5am, it's not an unreasonable hour for walking. How much have you had to drink, what have you been drinking, when did you have your last drink (I'm paraphrasing) is not a reasonable question if there is no reason to think that I had been drinking (i.e. walking rather fast, walking a straight line, dressed in clothes suitable for walking, listening to a walkman etc. etc).
As far as the flashlight is concerned. What made you think I was particularly offended by that? I was annoyed and more than a bit blinded but offended? Not so much.
I'm not even sure why you felt the need to clarify. You did a great job the first time, my remarks back to Bustem maybe? I was merely commenting that I think it's really overkill to run someone in because you think they're lying about their last name. Especially if they're off base DoD.
Regardless thank you for taking the time.
Peace, I'm finished.
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No it's not, it's different. If I was standing gaurd at a gate, and I saw suspicious activity outside the gate in Maryland, I am fully within my rights to detatin that person, ask questions or take into custody, otherwise, the security of the asset is comprimised.Merlin99 said:
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Dixie
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Merlin99 said:
Trust me NO ONE would pay the ransom.
