Abuse Of Privileges?

ccrc1

New Member
Ok, now that you all have argued this out a bit, I will answer the original posters question with a factual and direct answer.
The issued patrol vehicle program is part of the officers benefits package. It allows the officer to use the vehicle on/off duty within the county. Under certain regulations that differ from county to county, they may be allowed to travel outside of the county within certain limitations.
The take home car program has always been a win-win for both the individual officer and for the agency. The officers are using the vehicles in the communities and highways and that creates an omni-presence of police. Something the public demands, high visiblity of law enforcement. Citizens want to see the police, they may not want to have contact with us, but they definately want to see us!
Lets look at it this way, as a tax payer, would you rather put that marked police vehicle in some fleet parking lot, or parked in the middle of one of your local shopping centers? Where will it give the community the best service?
The officers are required to take police action if they are off duty in their patrol vehicle and because he/she is in that vehicle, they are now equipt to properly deal with most situations. They have a police radio, are able to provide emergency response, and have emergency equipment readily available. I can tell you that in most of the cases where an officer in my agency (Charles County) has called for help, or a major incident has occured, in the majority of the officers to arrive first on the scene are off duty.
Lets go back for a minute to the tax payer perspective. If those patrol cars are run round the clock and are just turned over to the next officer coming on duty, their longevity decreases significantly. Look at the patrol vehicles in major city police agencies. They all look like taxi cabs! They are not taken care of, very rarely washed and reflect poorly on the image of the agency(and the community). When the officer has a take home car he/she takes care of the vehicle and has a responsibility to ensure it is maintained. Supervisors conduct monthy vehicle inspections on patrol cars to ensure they are kept up to standards and loss of the use of the car can result if they fail to properly maintain it. Charles County routinely gets more than 150,000 miles out of a patrol vehicle prior removing it from the fleet. That would not be possible with a patrol vehicle run on every shift.
In the event that the agency needs to mobilize Law Enforcement (which seems to be happening more and more often) The officer leaves their driveway ready to work and perform on the spot. It is unappropiate for officers to be taking police action out of their personal vehicles except in extreme emergencies. There is an insurance issue, a liabilty issue and a legal issue with that practice, not to mention that it generates a tidal waive of complaints.

As for the off duty employment use, each agency has its own regulations to manage this. If the officer is working in a business or shopping center, again this places an effective, highly visible, prevention tool into the community. Police commanders see this as a positive. Calls for police service and on duty personel will very rarely need to respond to that location, and manpower can be used at needed locations elsewhere. The private business pays the bill, all the agency had to do, is provide the officer with the car, so they could effectively provide the service. Shopping centers and fast food restaurants are good examples of this. If the business had not paid the officer to be there, how many crimes would have occured, and how many on-duty officers would have had to respond on the tax payers dime, to deal with the problems. The officers have usually been hired because of a history of problems occuring in the past, and the average citizen should be able to drive in and patronize the business with out fear of being a crime victim.
Officer are permitted to use their patrol vehicles off duty for personal business, within the parameters of professional conduct. For example it would not be professional conduct to be using a drive-in window at a liquor store to make purchases of alcoholic beverages. When Hooters opened in Waldorf, we were told that parking of police vehicles in that parking lot was not allowed unless officers were responding to calls for service. It creates bad public perception, just plain decent common sense.
Some agencies will allow the officer to transport their family members or other persons off duty. Charles County does allow this practice, but it is very rare that I put my family in the patrol car. I don't want them in the vehicle if I have to deal with a problem that occures unexpectedly.
I hope this answered your question. I would be happy to answer other questions. But, as I have said before, you will have to find someone else to engage in a debate with. I will not respond to questions posted for that purpose.
 
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Lugnut

I'm Rick James #####!
ccrc1 said:
Ok, now that you all have argued this out a bit, I will answer the original posters question with a factual and direct answer.
The issued patrol vehicle program is part of the officers benefits package. It allows the officer to use the vehicle on/off duty within the county. Under certain regulations that differ from county to county, they may be allowed to travel outside of the county within certain limitations.
The take home car program has always been a win-win for both the individual officer and for the agency. The officers are using the vehicles in the communities and highways and that creates an omni-presence of police. Something the public demands, high visiblity of law enforcement. Citizens want to see the police, they may not want to have contact with us, but they definately want to see us!
Lets look at it this way, as a tax payer, would you rather put that marked police vehicle in some fleet parking lot, or parked in the middle of one of your local shopping centers? Where will it give the community the best service?
The officers are required to take police action if they are off duty in their patrol vehicle and because he/she is in that vehicle, they are now equipt to properly to deal with most situations. They have a police radio, are able to provide emegency responce, and have emergency equiptment readily available. I can tell you that in most of the cases where an officer in my agency (Charles County) has called for help, or a major incident has occured, in the majority of the officers to arrive first on the scene are off duty.
Lets go back for a minute to the tax payer perspective. If those patrol cars are run round the clock and are just turned over to the next officer coming on duty, their longevity decreases significantly. Look at the patrol vehicles in major city police agencies. They all look like taxi cabs! They are not taken care of, very rarely washed and reflect poorly on the image of the agency(and the community). When the officer has a take home car he/she takes care of the vehicle and has a responsibility to ensure it is maintained. Supervisors conduct monthy vehicle inspections on patrol cars to ensure they are kept up to standards and loss of the use of the car can result if they fail to properly maintain it. Charles County routinely gets more than 150,000 miles out of a patrol vehicle prior removing it from the fleet. That would not be possible with a patrol vehicle run on every shift.
In the event that the agency needs to mobilize Law Enforcement (which seems to be happening more and more often) The officer leaves their driveway ready to work and perform on the spot. It is unappropiate for officers to be taking police action out of their personal vehicles except in extreme emergencies. There is an insurance issue, a liabilty issue and a legal issue with that practice, not to mention that it generates a tidal waive of complaints.

As for the off duty employment use, each agency has its own regulations to manage this. If the officer is working in a business or shopping center, again this places an effective, highly visible, prevention tool into the community. Police commanders see this as a positive. Calls for police service and on duty personel will very rarely need to respond to that location, and manpower can be used at needed locations elsewhere. The private business pays the bill, all the agency had to to, is provide the officer with the car, so they could effectively provide the service. Shopping centers and fast food restaurants are good examples of this. If the business had not paid the officer to be there, how many cimes would have occured, and how many on-duty officers would have had to respond on the tax payers dime, to deal with the problems. The officers have usually been hired because of a history of problems occuring in the past, and the average citizen should be able to drive in and patronize the business with out fear of being a crime victim.
Officer are permitted to use their patrol vehicles off duty for personal business, within the parameters of professional conduct. For example it would not be professional conduct to be using a drive-in window at a liquor store to make purchases of alcoholic beverages. When Hooters opened in Waldorf, we were told that parking of police vehicles in that parking lot was not allowed unless officers were responding to calls for service. It creates bad public perception, just plain decent common sense.
Some agencies will allow the officer to transport their family members or other persons off duty. Charles County does allow this practice, but it is very rare that I put my family in the patrol car. I don't want them in the vehicle if I have to deal with a problem that occures unexpectedly.
I hope this answered your question. I would be happy to answer other questions. But, as I have said before, you will have to find someone else to engage in a debate with. I will not respond to questions posted for that purpose.


Outstanding, thanks for posting. :yay:
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
OK ccrc1...

ccrc1 said:
Ok, now that you all have argued this out a bit, I will answer the original posters question with a factual and direct answer.
The issued patrol vehicle program is part of the officers benefits package. It allows the officer to use the vehicle on/off duty within the county. Under certain regulations that differ from county to county, they may be allowed to travel outside of the county within certain limitations.
The take home car program has always been a win-win for both the individual officer and for the agency. The officers are using the vehicles in the communities and highways and that creates an omni-presence of police. Something the public demands, high visiblity of law enforcement. Citizens want to see the police, they may not want to have contact with us, but they definately want to see us!
Lets look at it this way, as a tax payer, would you rather put that marked police vehicle in some fleet parking lot, or parked in the middle of one of your local shopping centers? Where will it give the community the best service?
The officers are required to take police action if they are off duty in their patrol vehicle and because he/she is in that vehicle, they are now equipt to properly deal with most situations. They have a police radio, are able to provide emergency responce, and have emergency equiptment readily available. I can tell you that in most of the cases where an officer in my agency (Charles County) has called for help, or a major incident has occured, in the majority of the officers to arrive first on the scene are off duty.
Lets go back for a minute to the tax payer perspective. If those patrol cars are run round the clock and are just turned over to the next officer coming on duty, their longevity decreases significantly. Look at the patrol vehicles in major city police agencies. They all look like taxi cabs! They are not taken care of, very rarely washed and reflect poorly on the image of the agency(and the community). When the officer has a take home car he/she takes care of the vehicle and has a responsibility to ensure it is maintained. Supervisors conduct monthy vehicle inspections on patrol cars to ensure they are kept up to standards and loss of the use of the car can result if they fail to properly maintain it. Charles County routinely gets more than 150,000 miles out of a patrol vehicle prior removing it from the fleet. That would not be possible with a patrol vehicle run on every shift.
In the event that the agency needs to mobilize Law Enforcement (which seems to be happening more and more often) The officer leaves their driveway ready to work and perform on the spot. It is unappropiate for officers to be taking police action out of their personal vehicles except in extreme emergencies. There is an insurance issue, a liabilty issue and a legal issue with that practice, not to mention that it generates a tidal waive of complaints.

As for the off duty employment use, each agency has its own regulations to manage this. If the officer is working in a business or shopping center, again this places an effective, highly visible, prevention tool into the community. Police commanders see this as a positive. Calls for police service and on duty personel will very rarely need to respond to that location, and manpower can be used at needed locations elsewhere. The private business pays the bill, all the agency had to do, is provide the officer with the car, so they could effectively provide the service. Shopping centers and fast food restaurants are good examples of this. If the business had not paid the officer to be there, how many crimes would have occured, and how many on-duty officers would have had to respond on the tax payers dime, to deal with the problems. The officers have usually been hired because of a history of problems occuring in the past, and the average citizen should be able to drive in and patronize the business with out fear of being a crime victim.
Officer are permitted to use their patrol vehicles off duty for personal business, within the parameters of professional conduct. For example it would not be professional conduct to be using a drive-in window at a liquor store to make purchases of alcoholic beverages. When Hooters opened in Waldorf, we were told that parking of police vehicles in that parking lot was not allowed unless officers were responding to calls for service. It creates bad public perception, just plain decent common sense.
Some agencies will allow the officer to transport their family members or other persons off duty. Charles County does allow this practice, but it is very rare that I put my family in the patrol car. I don't want them in the vehicle if I have to deal with a problem that occures unexpectedly.
I hope this answered your question. I would be happy to answer other questions. But, as I have said before, you will have to find someone else to engage in a debate with. I will not respond to questions posted for that purpose.


...I'm the paragraph police and, seeings how I'm in a good mood, I'm only gonna give you a warning; use paragraph breaks next time. Someone could get hurt. Thank you for the information, but, let's be careful out there, OK?

All kidding aside, thanks for doing a tough job.
 

OldHillcrestGuy

Well-Known Member
ccrc1 said:
Ok, now that you all have argued this out a bit, I will answer the original posters question with a factual and direct answer.
The issued patrol vehicle program is part of the officers benefits package. It allows the officer to use the vehicle on/off duty within the county. Under certain regulations that differ from county to county, they may be allowed to travel outside of the county within certain limitations.
The take home car program has always been a win-win for both the individual officer and for the agency. The officers are using the vehicles in the communities and highways and that creates an omni-presence of police. Something the public demands, high visiblity of law enforcement. Citizens want to see the police, they may not want to have contact with us, but they definately want to see us!
Lets look at it this way, as a tax payer, would you rather put that marked police vehicle in some fleet parking lot, or parked in the middle of one of your local shopping centers? Where will it give the community the best service?
The officers are required to take police action if they are off duty in their patrol vehicle and because he/she is in that vehicle, they are now equipt to properly deal with most situations. They have a police radio, are able to provide emergency responce, and have emergency equiptment readily available. I can tell you that in most of the cases where an officer in my agency (Charles County) has called for help, or a major incident has occured, in the majority of the officers to arrive first on the scene are off duty.
Lets go back for a minute to the tax payer perspective. If those patrol cars are run round the clock and are just turned over to the next officer coming on duty, their longevity decreases significantly. Look at the patrol vehicles in major city police agencies. They all look like taxi cabs! They are not taken care of, very rarely washed and reflect poorly on the image of the agency(and the community). When the officer has a take home car he/she takes care of the vehicle and has a responsibility to ensure it is maintained. Supervisors conduct monthy vehicle inspections on patrol cars to ensure they are kept up to standards and loss of the use of the car can result if they fail to properly maintain it. Charles County routinely gets more than 150,000 miles out of a patrol vehicle prior removing it from the fleet. That would not be possible with a patrol vehicle run on every shift.
In the event that the agency needs to mobilize Law Enforcement (which seems to be happening more and more often) The officer leaves their driveway ready to work and perform on the spot. It is unappropiate for officers to be taking police action out of their personal vehicles except in extreme emergencies. There is an insurance issue, a liabilty issue and a legal issue with that practice, not to mention that it generates a tidal waive of complaints.

As for the off duty employment use, each agency has its own regulations to manage this. If the officer is working in a business or shopping center, again this places an effective, highly visible, prevention tool into the community. Police commanders see this as a positive. Calls for police service and on duty personel will very rarely need to respond to that location, and manpower can be used at needed locations elsewhere. The private business pays the bill, all the agency had to do, is provide the officer with the car, so they could effectively provide the service. Shopping centers and fast food restaurants are good examples of this. If the business had not paid the officer to be there, how many crimes would have occured, and how many on-duty officers would have had to respond on the tax payers dime, to deal with the problems. The officers have usually been hired because of a history of problems occuring in the past, and the average citizen should be able to drive in and patronize the business with out fear of being a crime victim.
Officer are permitted to use their patrol vehicles off duty for personal business, within the parameters of professional conduct. For example it would not be professional conduct to be using a drive-in window at a liquor store to make purchases of alcoholic beverages. When Hooters opened in Waldorf, we were told that parking of police vehicles in that parking lot was not allowed unless officers were responding to calls for service. It creates bad public perception, just plain decent common sense.
Some agencies will allow the officer to transport their family members or other persons off duty. Charles County does allow this practice, but it is very rare that I put my family in the patrol car. I don't want them in the vehicle if I have to deal with a problem that occures unexpectedly.
I hope this answered your question. I would be happy to answer other questions. But, as I have said before, you will have to find someone else to engage in a debate with. I will not respond to questions posted for that purpose.

:yay:
 

ccrc1

New Member
I consider myself severly reprimanded. I only got C's in English, thats why I had to get a job as a cop. Police reports are mostly fill in the block stuff. :lmao:
I did try and go back and pull out the spelling goofs though. I get to typing faster my brain would prefer. Glad to help out and thank you for the compliment.
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Ha!

ccrc1 said:
I consider myself severly reprimanded. I only got C's in English, thats why I had to get a job as a cop. Police reports are mostly fill in the block stuff. :lmao:
I did try and go back and pull out the spelling goofs though. I get to typing faster my brain would prefer. Glad to help out and thank you for the compliment.


I got D's and had to go to summer school for Brit Lit...Beowulf.

THAT should be against the law!
 

Mikeinsmd

New Member
I went on a ride along with a buddy from high school once. When his shift was over, he went: "10-8 OD" meaning "in service, off duty". We met another OD officer who parked his car & jumped in with us. They backed up other units on a report of a possible burgler at MD Natl. Bank in L.town.

Visibility and support man. Drive em around men & women!! I wanna see ya out there!! :yay:
 

bdh802

Bob
Mikeinsmd said:
I went on a ride along with a buddy from high school once. When his shift was over, he went: "10-8 OD" meaning "in service, off duty". We met another OD officer who parked his car & jumped in with us. They backed up other units on a report of a possible burgler at MD Natl. Bank in L.town.

Visibility and support man. Drive em around men & women!! I wanna see ya out there!! :yay:

Just a thought! A lot of PDs nationwide are having problems hiring these days. If you are young, have a clean record and want to take advantabe of the fringe benefits (take home car, gun, free donuts, etc), fill out an app. Before you know it, you too could be out there cruising around in your very own police car with lights and sirens on it. Chicks love it!
 

Mikeinsmd

New Member
bdh802 said:
Just a thought! A lot of PDs nationwide are having problems hiring these days. If you are young, have a clean record and want to take advantabe of the fringe benefits (take home car, gun, free donuts, etc), fill out an app. Before you know it, you too could be out there cruising around in your very own police car with lights and sirens on it. Chicks love it!
Ooooooo........ I never thought about that!!! I am young and have a clean record!! :jet:

My own cop car?? :faint: That would be like sooooooooo cool!!!

You say chicks love it?? I am soooo there man!!! :yahoo:
 

Nickel

curiouser and curiouser
Mikeinsmd said:
Ooooooo........ I never thought about that!!! I am young and have a clean record!! :jet:

My own cop car?? :faint: That would be like sooooooooo cool!!!
:yeahthat: He had me at free donuts. :hot:
 

bdh802

Bob
Nickel said:
:yeahthat: He had me at free donuts. :hot:

In the academy, they also teach you where the complimentary coffee cups are at 7-11 and will give you a list of all the fast food places that give you a discount. You also get free handcuffs! Imagine the fun you can have with those!
 

ccrc1

New Member
Ken King said:
It is my understanding that they, like those at Pax, are Federal Law Enforcement Officers with full jurisdiction.

Ken, this is not correct. A lot of folks are under the impression that "Federal" means arrest authority for everything, everywhere. Not correct!
Officers at the bases you mentioned are Police Officers with the Department of Defense Police. They have juristiction to enforce federal laws on United States Military installations and property owned and managed by the Department of Defense. They do not have the authority to enforce state, county and local laws, or enforce traffic violations on roadways, that are not on Federal property.
This concept applies to most Federal Law Enforcement. For example, The United States Park Police. They have Federal law enforcement authority on properties owned, managed and controlled by the United States Department of the Interior. (That includes some Federal roadways) They do not have police authority to enforce state/local criminal statutes in Maryland or stop a motorist on a state or county highway and issue a traffic citation.
Most Federal Officers can enforce Federal laws anywhere in the United States, but they do not have general police authority to effect arrests for crimes committed off of Federal Properties that amount to violations of the Maryland criminal code or state transportation article.
 

buddy999

It's Great to be American
TexasPride77 said:
Perhaps I am over reacting but I would like to have some clarification on the uses of patrol cars that are assigned to officers - who are not on duty. I understand that I do not know the complete story of things so I am more than willing to give benefit of doubt. Yesterday I was at the World Gym in Leonardtown and just as I am getting out of my vehicle (going in the gym myslef), a patrol car pulls up and parks as well. Out comes an officer in wind pants and t-shirt. It appeared that he was going to the gym. Soon enough, as I walked out of the locker room - there he was - working out.

Now, my issue is not whether this officer needs to be in the gym (as it looked as if he really did), but rather the county tax dollars that pay for the operation of patrol cars. These cars, I do not believe, should not be used for personal reasons – ONLY official business. Is it permissible for officers to use their cars for their own personal use? This officer had no form of paging device or of any sort; much less a radio - so I am inclined to believe he was not on duty at the time.

Where can one go to obtain a copy of the regulations that dictate an officer’s responsibilities to the property they are assigned.

Again, as I said before – I only see one side of this coin….so any clarification that can be offered is appreciated. I just dont want to have a misunderstanding of things.

I have a Calvert County patrolman that lives near me. He drives his patrol car home every night from work. I don't live in Calvert County. This may be so they can respond to a call at any time.

All law enforcement agencies require their officers maintain a certain level of physical fitness, just as in the military. This being the case, they may provide time during the day to do their workouts. If he was still in an on-call status it could explain why he had the vehicle.
 

itsbob

I bowl overhand
buddy999 said:
I have a Calvert County patrolman that lives near me. He drives his patrol car home every night from work. I don't live in Calvert County. This may be so they can respond to a call at any time.

All law enforcement agencies require their officers maintain a certain level of physical fitness, just as in the military. This being the case, they may provide time during the day to do their workouts. If he was still in an on-call status it could explain why he had the vehicle.
**BWOOOP.......... BWOOOP.... BWWWOOOOOOP**


Bullchit detector...

MOST law enforcement agencies DON'T have any kind of physical fitness requirment beyond getting into and graduating the academy IF they even require it..

Where do you think those 400 pound cops come from??
 

kom526

They call me ... Sarcasmo
BOB--->EST (SWAT) does have annual PFTs, I don't know about the rest of them. You'd be surprised at how fast some of those behemoths can move too. :lmao:




MIKE--->Women can't resist the baby blue of SMSD. There are a couple of SWAT groupies in here also.
 

itsbob

I bowl overhand
kom526 said:
BOB--->EST (SWAT) does have annual PFTs, I don't know about the rest of them. You'd be surprised at how fast some of those behemoths can move too. :lmao:




MIKE--->Women can't resist the baby blue of SMSD. There are a couple of SWAT groupies in here also.
But he painted a picture with a BROAD brush.. saying ALL agencies.. I've been stopped by some pretty obese cops..
 

buddy999

It's Great to be American
itsbob said:
**BWOOOP.......... BWOOOP.... BWWWOOOOOOP**


Bullchit detector...

MOST law enforcement agencies DON'T have any kind of physical fitness requirment beyond getting into and graduating the academy IF they even require it..

Where do you think those 400 pound cops come from??

My bust. I just assumed that they had some sort of fitness program because I always thought they were required to stay in decent shape to do their jobs effectively.
 

Bustem' Down

Give Peas a Chance
buddy999 said:
My bust. I just assumed that they had some sort of fitness program because I always thought they were required to stay in decent shape to do their jobs effectively.
And I'm sure you've seen some fat asses we have in the Navy.
:Chiefs:










:lmao:
 
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