Accepting Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior

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ItalianScallion

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Toxick said:
Sometimes, I honestly wish the internet had a laugh-track.
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Sometimes I wish you were on our side...:duh:
libby said:
You still have not proven your point to me, IT. What you think is "inferred" is okay. What I think is "inferred" is an error. Honestly, the hubris!
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What point Libby? And would you even believe me if I did?

What you think would be fine as long as it agreed with Scripture. Mary being the Arc is a big imposition that is nowhere near Scriptural. And what is your issue with the word Trinity? The RCC does teach and use it...
Libby said:
I'm not the one who claims word for word is necessary, remember??
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I can assure you I never said word for word interpretations of the Bible are the only way to understand it.
Libby said:
Where does the Bible tell us that Jesus said to compile a book of Scriptures?
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So men did this on their own? Moses just decided to read the Washington Post and figure out how the universe was created? Isaiah knew everything and God had no part in telling him what to write? Even your Saint Peter said:

19 We also have the prophetic message as something completely reliable, and you will do well to pay attention to it...
20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things.
21 For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

This is another inferrence Libby. It doesn't say it word for word but it is clearly inferred that God told these men to write them. The Holy Spirit led them to do it.
 
Toxick

Toxick

Splat
ItalianScallion said:
Sometimes I wish you were on our side...:duh:
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I don't see sides.
I see a bunch of individuals.

I refuse to accept this "sides" nonsense. In most all facets of life I try to avoid the Us vs. Them mentality - sports and wars are the exceptions - and I'm exceptionally happy that way.

It's a shame that you don't like it, but I'm afraid that's the way it's always going to be.



I will make you this promise: If you stop saying things that make the lobes of my brain pulsate, (in particular when you criticize someone for engaging in the same behavior that you yourself are engaging in), then I'll stop pointing it out.
 
foodcritic

foodcritic

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libby said:
Thanks NJ. I'm trying to make a point to a few sola scriptura forumites. It's not in the Bible, although it is certainly a logical (and right) conclusion based on what we do have in Scripture.
However, other teachings logically follow what we have in Scripture, too, but many say those beliefs are "extra-Biblical".
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Your right. I never much liked the phrase. And that is all that it is. It does capture an element of what God want's of us.

The actual wording would read "trust in the Lord with all your heart and you shall be saved"

Or

Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God

Defining a personal relationship is vague. Trusting, receiving, believing are clearer to me.
 
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libby

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foodcritic said:
Your right. I never much liked the phrase. And that is all that it is. It does capture an element of what God want's of us.

The actual wording would read "trust in the Lord with all your heart and you shall be saved"

Or

Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God

Defining a personal relationship is vague. Trusting, receiving, believing are clearer to me.
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I might add "obeying", too. It is my belief that we are, indeed, commanded by the Lord to do certain things; some of a temporal nature, some of a sacramental nature; things many people call "works". Absent obedience to these mandates, I think one proves one's disobedience to the Lord and thereby showing He is not the Lord of one's life.

(it sounds so weird to use "one/one's", but necessary to make posts impersonal) random musing:coffee:
 
baydoll

baydoll

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libby said:
I'm not saying that it's not true. Faith, by definition, is personal. If your faith is that Jesus is the Lord and Savior of men, then He is your personal Lord and Savior.
However, I see no command, or directive, by Him, to do so. I see Him tell me categorically to eat His Flesh and drink His Blood, but that is a heresy to may sola scriptura adherents.[/B.
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No, it is heresy to take a verse wildly out of context and create a blasphemous gospel out of it.

You have to forgive me, I keep forgetting Jesus NEVER spoke in metaphors. :duh:

Jesus is actually a door! And a literal vine! And a lightbulb too! Do you still have both your hands, libby? What about your eyes? Jesus told us that if our hands ever sinned we need to cut it off. Have you done that libby? Oh and you need to pluck out your eyes if you ever looked at anything you weren't supposed to also. You have both your eyes still I assume? Do you take that literal too? Why not?

It would be absurd to apply a literal meaning when Jesus said He is a door, a vine, a light, a shepherd, a piece of bread, and for us to chop off our arms and pluck out our eyes so on and so forth. Yet this is precisely what your Church asks you to do when He refers to bread and wine as His body, His blood. And you don't find your Church applying a literal interpretation to the words of Jesus anywhere else, do you?! Of course not! Just when it comes to the bread and wine issue.

Where is the Roman Catholic Church's honesty and consistency?





"Accepting" that Jesus is the Savior is not all that there is to Christianity. True acceptance might be what governs our lives and guides our paths, but as has been said here before: even Satan knows Jesus is Lord and Savior.
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So how is one 'Saved', libby?

(edited: spelling.)
 
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baydoll

baydoll

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libby said:
I might add "obeying", too. It is my belief that we are, indeed, commanded by the Lord to do certain things; some of a temporal nature, some of a sacramental nature; things many people call "works". Absent obedience to these mandates, I think one proves one's disobedience to the Lord and thereby showing He is not the Lord of one's life.

(it sounds so weird to use "one/one's", but necessary to make posts impersonal) random musing:coffee:
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Jesus also told us we need to chop our hand off and pluck our eyes out if either causes us to sin too libby, have you obeyed this?
 
baydoll

baydoll

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libby said:
Right out of the box I would say that that is why Jesus provided a sacramental way of receiving His Body and Blood.
I'm sure there is a more thoughtful answer than that, but I'd have to read the passages and pray about it before I answer.
The RCC teaches that Jesus is "sacramentally" Present. Present in a sacred, yet no less real, way.
I could liken it to "the two shall become one". Are my dh and I one person? Well, no, not here on earth. But, I believe marriage is a sacrament, and in the eyes of God we are one and that oneness is manifested in our children, for instance.
It is all greater than what we can perceive in the natural world. Yeah, I guess that's it in a nutshell.
I'll see if I can come up with something more thorough.
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I have a question? Were there any *miracles* in the Bible that weren't actual visible, tangible, edible, measurable physical evidence? For example, the wedding at Cana: did the water actually turn into wine or did it remain as water?
 
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