GWguy
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Post them online and take money, however small, as they are not pros and he is, therefore they cut into his professionalism and profits.
Amateurs ruining the profession...
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Post them online and take money, however small, as they are not pros and he is, therefore they cut into his professionalism and profits.
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TurboK9
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I thought his complaint was that they were posting them online and offering them for FREE? And because of that nobody would buy his photos?
I take pics and put them online all the time for free. Oopsy, so sorry... but I'm not a pro, so his photos should be way better and worth paying for right? I mean, if they are amatuer quality, then why pay for his when people can take their own anyway?
From what I have seen of amatuer vs. pro photos... a real pro takes pics that an amatuer can rarely compete with. The eye, the framing, the way the shutter speed etc is set to capture the motion and lighting of the moment... If he is just blindly shooting photos with no 'art' behind it, well, maybe another career is in order. There is more to pro photography than pointing a high buck F body and going bananas filling a few 16 GB SD cards...
This has been a heavily debated topic for the last 5 or 6 years now. I would categorize myself as a "weekend warrior" who goes out and makes some extra cash with my photography hobby. I recently went out and shot a basketball game, not to make money, but to gain some experience in shooting a basketball game. You have to start somewhere right?? The professional photographer... I would categorize those as small business owners who are working to put food on the table with their photography... many upset that someone moved their cheese. Here are some great articles by respected professionals on the subject. These are great reads if you want a true professional photographers opinion on the subject.
zarias.com :: The blog of editorial photographer Zack Arias » Over Saturated Market You Say? You Can Blame Me.
zarias.com :: The blog of editorial photographer Zack Arias » Cheap Photographers Only Kill Themselves, Not The Industry.
What is the Difference Between Shooting for Free and Shooting for Me? | LIGHTING ESSENTIALS For Photographers
Strobist: Four Reasons to Consider Working for Free
This is a great read.. Part 2 of a blog post by David Zeiser who talks about what the professional needs to do to stay above the fray.
It’s Guest Blog Wednesday featuring David Ziser (Pt. 2)! « Scott Kelby's Photoshop Insider Blog » Photoshop & Digital Photography Techniques, Tutorials, Books, Reviews & More
zarias.com :: The blog of editorial photographer Zack Arias » Over Saturated Market You Say? You Can Blame Me.
zarias.com :: The blog of editorial photographer Zack Arias » Cheap Photographers Only Kill Themselves, Not The Industry.
What is the Difference Between Shooting for Free and Shooting for Me? | LIGHTING ESSENTIALS For Photographers
Strobist: Four Reasons to Consider Working for Free
This is a great read.. Part 2 of a blog post by David Zeiser who talks about what the professional needs to do to stay above the fray.
It’s Guest Blog Wednesday featuring David Ziser (Pt. 2)! « Scott Kelby's Photoshop Insider Blog » Photoshop & Digital Photography Techniques, Tutorials, Books, Reviews & More
migtig
aka Mrs. Giant
The giant's a semi-professional photographer. If he takes pictures of an event he attends because he wants to, he'll share them for free. If he's hired to shoot photographs for an event, such as a wedding, he obviously charges for those.
I think a swim meet is one of those where you take pictures because you want to, not because someone has hired you to take pictures.
It's all about context.
I think a swim meet is one of those where you take pictures because you want to, not because someone has hired you to take pictures.
It's all about context.
mAlice
professional daydreamer
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czygvtwkr
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This is really assinine, seriously.
I make things out of wood that are quite nice and give them away to friends and I don't see professinal carpenters and woodworkers beating down my door.
If you can't compete with an ameature then you need to find a new job.
I make things out of wood that are quite nice and give them away to friends and I don't see professinal carpenters and woodworkers beating down my door.
If you can't compete with an ameature then you need to find a new job.
wch
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So just because you charge money for the photos classifies you as a professional?, and should give you rights over people that don't, I photograph events for the town, why? they ask me too, the lady from the newspaper and I have an unspoken rule, she doesn't step on my toes, I don't step on hers, same for weddings were a backup photographer is asked for (they get the big shots, I do the backstage, everyone gets along,) unless it is a massive print order I don't charge a thing, why? I have a good job doing something else, Photography is a hobby, and if my photos are better than yours, Tuff S&*t, IF it is a public event or place no one has the right to barr me from taking pictures
SoccerMom2
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Ok, well there seems to be only replies from hobbyist / amateurs. (Professional = rely on at least 51% of your income from your job, NOT selling one image like someone stated earlier).
I thought in the photo forum I would get replies from people in the industry, even thou it's a 'public' forum I know that. I have no idea on who anyone is except for a few people who actually post with there 'real' name and not hide behind some made up name in this forum. So I have a hard time with creditability on anything people say without putting their name with it...
Here is another example, you have to think of the global effects. True, you are not taking money out of the photographers pocket directly, but you are indirectly. You gave away images at Game A at a home game. Kid now plays in Game B at an away tournament where there is a hired photographer and he is not able to sell anything because you gave away all the images in Game A and they have what they want. If everyone does that you and believe me, more and more are, it makes it very tough for a photographer to make a sell.
I didn't intend for this to get into a pissing match, but just an eye opener for people that need to 'earn' a buck...
Frank
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I thought in the photo forum I would get replies from people in the industry, even thou it's a 'public' forum I know that. I have no idea on who anyone is except for a few people who actually post with there 'real' name and not hide behind some made up name in this forum. So I have a hard time with creditability on anything people say without putting their name with it...
Here is another example, you have to think of the global effects. True, you are not taking money out of the photographers pocket directly, but you are indirectly. You gave away images at Game A at a home game. Kid now plays in Game B at an away tournament where there is a hired photographer and he is not able to sell anything because you gave away all the images in Game A and they have what they want. If everyone does that you and believe me, more and more are, it makes it very tough for a photographer to make a sell.
I didn't intend for this to get into a pissing match, but just an eye opener for people that need to 'earn' a buck...
Frank
FRANK MARQUART's Photos | SmugMug
PrepH4U
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Global effects???
Heaven forbid if a relative goes to a game and takes a picture of his nephew, does that mean you will have to eat macaroni for a week? Darn relatives always mucking stuff up for the pros! 
I used to install satellite systems professionally, I couldn't fathom complaining that a knowledgeable person helped someone install a system without calling me.
Maybe if it was in a forum titled "JOBS or PROFESSIONS", but since it is titled "HOBBIES and PERSONAL INTERESTS" I would think that most in here would be amateurs/hobbyists.
glhs837
Power with Control
Damn, man, I am sorry. I installed my own dish three times. And installed one for a 70yo lady. And fixed my mother in laws install. I ruined it for you.Can you forgive me
PrepH4U
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Damn, man, I am sorry. I installed my own dish three times. And installed one for a 70yo lady. And fixed my mother in laws install. I ruined it for you.Can you forgive me
Well just don't fix your own computer, car or tackle home improvements. Think of all the money you are taking from the professionals! If you decide to be a rebel, do not take pictures of your progress!
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forceofnature
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Love this thread I got a good laugh
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forceofnature
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I am going to start charging big $$ for my photos. No one will buy them but hey if one sells I will be rich.