Amazon Engineer Sues for Work From Home Costs

GURPS

INGSOC
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But I don't see that man working from home has had his expenses significantly increased because he pays for Internet (which is highly unlikely that he does not have ANYWAY) - a workstation to use, at home (which he HAS) - and increased electricity costs because he's HOME (which is largely absurd).


Oh NO .... he work computer [ probably a laptop ] draws so much more power, he has to keep the AC up in the summer and Heat in the winter, even when gas was $ 2.05 a gallon, not driving to work every day you are still SAVING more than enough to offset the minor rise in electricity

Many companies offered to provide an allowance to set up a home office
 

Kyle

Beloved Misanthrope
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Oh NO .... he work computer [ probably a laptop ] draws so much more power, he has to keep the AC up in the summer and Heat in the winter, even when gas was $ 2.05 a gallon, not driving to work every day you are still SAVING more than enough to offset the minor rise in electricity

Many companies offered to provide an allowance to set up a home office
I considered what I wasn’t spending in travel expenses for the commute more than a fair trade.
 

black dog

Free America
Walmart is the same exact way. The Walton family is the richest family in the world but yet corporate (intentionally) fails to keep the stores running in an adequate order in more ways than one, all in the name of profits over people
If a Walmart store is failing its not because of Bentonville, its because of that stores management.

Most folks have limited knowledge of what "Perks" are actually available to Walmart Associates.
 

vraiblonde

Board Mommy
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Oh NO .... he work computer [ probably a laptop ] draws so much more power, he has to keep the AC up in the summer and Heat in the winter, even when gas was $ 2.05 a gallon, not driving to work every day you are still SAVING more than enough to offset the minor rise in electricity

That misses the point. The next step is to say they shouldn't have to pay employees a wage because they're just going to be sitting around anyway.

A trillion dollar company that's CEOs are raking in billion$$ annually shouldn't be quibbling about a few bucks in electricity, especially when they spend exponentially more than that on consultants who craft marketing materials promoting that they're such a great place to work and how much they care about their employees.
 

HemiHauler

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That misses the point. The next step is to say they shouldn't have to pay employees a wage because they're just going to be sitting around anyway.

A trillion dollar company that's CEOs are raking in billion$$ annually shouldn't be quibbling about a few bucks in electricity, especially when they spend exponentially more than that on consultants who craft marketing materials promoting that they're such a great place to work and how much they care about their employees.

There it is. 👍
 

Hijinx

Well-Known Member
This is a complaint about Amazon.
But what about federal and Local government should they also be expected to pay for internet fee's.?
Which is cheaper Amazon or government.
IMO most already had internet and were paying for it themselves anyway, and the saving in wear and tear on their cars and the gas money and being able to sleep later instead of spending time driving to work more than compensates them.
 

Grumpy

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IMO most already had internet and were paying for it themselves anyway, and the saving in wear and tear on their cars and the gas money and being able to sleep later instead of spending time driving to work more than compensates them.
A conservative estimate for me is i am saving approximately $100 a week in gas at today's prices.
 

LightRoasted

If I may ...
For you consideration ...

Oh NO .... he work computer [ probably a laptop ] draws so much more power, he has to keep the AC up in the summer and Heat in the winter, even when gas was $ 2.05 a gallon, not driving to work every day you are still SAVING more than enough to offset the minor rise in electricity

Many companies offered to provide an allowance to set up a home office
He saw an opportunity and took advantage of the what was presented. I'm thinking he set up dozens of computers for a bitcoin mining operation. And now wants to be reimbursed after getting the electric bills under the guise of "working from home".
 

Clem72

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Like every other company, Amazon sent all employees who could work from home to work from home in 2020. But what they didn't do was start paying for internet and electricity costs for their employees, according to a lawsuit filed by an Amazon engineer in California.

On the surface, it makes perfect sense. California law requires companies to pay all business expenses. Employees who work at home use more electricity and internet than they would if they came into the office. Therefore, the engineer has a case. At least, that's why the judge didn't throw it out.

Amazon argues that these expenses aren't the company's obligation since it wasn't its choice to send people home; it was following the state orders to send everyone home. The law doesn't seem to have an exception for emergencies.

My best bet? The Amazon engineer will win.


Might win electricity, but will he be able to prove working from home cost more for internet? Unless he had to increase his speed or pay for additional data, there's no way they should be ordered to pay for something he was already using and had no additional cost.

But if I were them I would do something petty like require them to verify weekly the suitability of their work-from-home site. Photographs to show no obstructions of exits and prove the space is isolated from children/distractions, prove the existence of adequate storage and working printers. I would put loggers on the computer and deduct hours worked when the computer is idle, etc.
 

Clem72

Well-Known Member
Freakin Amazon - cheap pricks. The tops are all bazillionaires and they bitch and piss about paying their employees' legit expenses.

Is it a legit expense?

Amazon: We pay for facilities, heating and cooling, electricity and internet. We ask that you make use of it. YOU choose to stay home because you believe that benefits you, even though we have expressed a desire for you to be in the office.

I don't think Amazon should be responsible for those expenses. And if so, are they also responsible for the savings? Can they make you pay them the cost of gas you are no longer spending (or metro fares) to commute?
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
Can they make you pay them the cost of gas you are no longer spending (or metro fares) to commute?


some companies have said pay cuts were coming for people working in remote locations with a cheaper cost of living
 

GURPS

INGSOC
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Corporate Overlords Try to Scare Us Back Into the Office With Figures on How Much WFH is Costing You



As we watch gas prices tick higher and higher, commercial lessors and middle managers everywhere are anxious to get people back in chairs. Their chairs. Gross, old, shared-space, contains-the-farts-of-coworkers-past chairs. Nothing at all like the luxurious gaming chair your firm WFH stipend covered, though let’s be honest that one is harboring some ghost farts too.

There is no question that remote workers are saving on gas. According to AAA, the U.S. average for a gallon is creeping dangerously close to $5 with Georgia coming in lowest at $4.33 and California taking top spot at $6.37.

Everything costs more. And it will cost more tomorrow. We know this. But a recent Fortune article asks are we really saving money by working at home?

Despite many companies setting April return-to-office deadlines, for the past month, U.S. office occupancy has held steady at roughly 43%, according to Kastle’s Back to Work Barometer that takes into account rates in 10 major cities. Many employees are pushing back against heading into the office not because of rising COVID caseloads, but arguing that their commutes are too expensive. In fact, a recent report from Deloitte found nearly 40% of millennials and a third of Gen Zers report that remote work has helped them save money.

But is working from home really a savings game-changer for most workers?

The article goes on to say electricity costs in April were up 11% year over year according to the BLS Consumer Price Index and reminds us that it’s almost summer which means cranking the A/C for most of the country (duh). There’s a bit of good news though, forecasts anticipate milder temps for many parts of the U.S. this summer, residential customers are expected to use 2.9% less electricity than they did last summer. SUCK IT, climate activists. In total, Americans spent an average of $23 more on monthly electric and gas bills for the first four months of 2022 than we did in 2019. So what, that’s like a single avocado toast? Not bad.

The article also mentions internet. Did you know you have to pay for internet when you work from home? Internet that you were already paying for and that doesn’t charge you by the hour like AOL circa 1996? Well they want to remind you that you’re paying for internet anyway. Which you wouldn’t have to do if you made the long slog through traffic hell to show up at the office because there is internet you don’t pay for there:

Internet costs can also be factored into WFH expenses. On average, Americans spent about $120 a month on their Internet and cable bills in 2022 so far, according to Doxo’s data, about on par with what U.S. households spent pre-pandemic. That can vary as some workers opted to upgrade their internet connection during the pandemic—making that monthly cost continually higher too.

They do have a minor point about upgraded internet. Presumably most of you did that a whole two years ago when everyone first went WFH if you needed to.
 

David

Opinions are my own...
PREMO Member
I would say fine. First, let's calculate how much you are saving by not coming to work: transportation, clothing food, lost time, etc. Now, your internet costs the same regardless where you work, so that's a no-go. A few pennies for electricity and you're still way ahead.

Now, about that lost productivity we've noted since you started working at home...
 
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