And people thought it couldn't happen here.

[crabcake]

I disagree with that. I think protesters shouldn't be allowed to disrupt events with their bullshit. It's like the convention protesters in New York - the cops shut down miles of streets and diverted traffic, inconveniencing thousands of people, so these idiots could exercise their "rights". That's bullshit. What about my right to be able to enjoy a proceeding without having it spoiled by protesters?

I think if you go to an even with the distinct goal of disrupting it, you should be arrested, possibly given the death penalty. The rest of us have rights, too.

You always say what I'm thinking better.

I don't care WHAT you're gripe is ... religion, government, disables (like those punks who wheel their chairs down 7th street once a year, holding up all kinds of traffic, infringing upon my 'right' to get home in a reasonable time). It's acting like an ass in public -- and we all know that THAT is the sole purpose ... to cause a disruption and get attention ... cause lets face it, "peace" doesn't sell ... when was the last time you saw a bunch of tie-die t-shirt wearing, tree hugging, liberals on televison? That's right ... when they were arrested for acting like asses disrupting the civilility that was in place before their "peaceful protest". When someone wants your opinion on politics, religion, homosexuality, et al, they'll either come knock on your door and ask for it, or they'll come on somd and debate it.

 

[2ndAmendment]

I disagree with that. I think protesters shouldn't be allowed to disrupt events with their bullshit. It's like the convention protesters in New York - the cops shut down miles of streets and diverted traffic, inconveniencing thousands of people, so these idiots could exercise their "rights". That's bullshit. What about my right to be able to enjoy a proceeding without having it spoiled by protesters?

I think if you go to an even with the distinct goal of disrupting it, you should be arrested, possibly given the death penalty. The rest of us have rights, too.

Aww. So all the protesters of the 60's marching for equal rights should have been put to death. Nice one.

 

[vraiblonde]

They were told that they were welcome but could not use the ladies bathroom and that they should go home and change their clothes and come back.

That's what I'm getting at. Everyone should have right of association and shouldn't have to put up with people disrupting their meetings or rallies. If you would have told them, "Get out of here because we don't want gays anywhere near us," you would have been perfectly within your rights.

I think that by showing up at a rally where they were not welcome and their only purpose was to disrupt, these Christian guys got what they deserved. Just like a gay guy who shows up at your church can't really complain when you either throw him out or try to convert him.

 

[crabcake]

Aww. So all the protesters of the 60's marching for equal rights should have been put to death. Nice one.

No different than a tsunami wiping out 140,000+ people because they weren't christians.

 

[2ndAmendment]

No different than a tsunami wiping out 140,000+ people because they weren't christians.

Most people don't believe the Bible or the prophesies in it. Earthquakes are part of the last day prophesies. They will get worse as will the storms. There is going to be war, world wide anarchy, and famine. It will happen and Christians will be persecuted too. It is in the Book.

 

[vraiblonde]

So all the protesters of the 60's marching for equal rights should have been put to death. Nice one.

Depends on their venue. MLK had a permit to speak on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial and the group was confined to a specific place, therefore HE did it right and anyone who showed up to disrupt the rally should have been arrested.

That's a stark contrast to groups that shut down a whole city with their crap or try to disrupt other groups and prevent THEIR free speech.

 

[2ndAmendment]

That's what I'm getting at. Everyone should have right of association and shouldn't have to put up with people disrupting their meetings or rallies. If you would have told them, "Get out of here because we don't want gays anywhere near us," you would have been perfectly within your rights.

I think that by showing up at a rally where they were not welcome and their only purpose was to disrupt, these Christian guys got what they deserved. Just like a gay guy who shows up at your church can't really complain when you either throw him out or try to convert him.

These people, according to what I read, were on the sidewalk holding up signs and giving out pamphlets and reading from their Bibles on public property. Last time I checked churches were private property. Different rules.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Depends on their venue. MLK had a permit to speak on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial and the group was confined to a specific place, therefore HE did it right and anyone who showed up to disrupt the rally should have been arrested.

That's a stark contrast to groups that shut down a whole city with their crap or try to disrupt other groups and prevent THEIR free speech.

The Christians, according to the article, had police permission to have a counter demonstration. Did you miss that?

 

[vraiblonde]

Earthquakes are part of the last day prophesies. They will get worse as will the storms. There is going to be war, world wide anarchy, and famine.

And you're aware that these things have been happening since the beginning of time, right? Natural disasters are nothing new - they're just more destructive now because there are more humans on the earth to get killed by them. War, anarchy, famine - nothing new. People have always thought the End Times were near. They thought that back in the days of the gladiators and they think it now.

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting, if I were you.

 

[2ndAmendment]

And you're aware that these things have been happening since the beginning of time, right? Natural disasters are nothing new - they're just more destructive now because there are more humans on the earth to get killed by them. War, anarchy, famine - nothing new. People have always thought the End Times were near. They thought that back in the days of the gladiators and they think it now.

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting, if I were you.

I won't hold my breath. Don't you be surprised at judgment.

 

[crabcake]

Most people don't believe the Bible or the prophesies in it. Earthquakes are part of the last day prophesies. They will get worse as will the storms. There is going to be war, world wide anarchy, and famine. It will happen and Christians will be persecuted too. It is in the Book.

See, this is where my common sense overrides any "faith/beliefs" I have. I am NO scientist but I cannot foresee this planet withstanding the constant changes we make to it ... you don't think about it much, but things like drilling for oil, blowing buildings up to create new ones, bombing countries ... all that stuff HAS to take a toll on the stability of the planet. An no, I'm not converting to a tree hugger by any means, but just like a person's head ... if you rattle it long and hard enough, things just don't 'work' any more. I can see the 'rattling' of our planet being the cause of a lot of these things that coincidentally are written about as "last day prophesies".

In my mind, that seems a far more likely scenario for earth going to hell in a handbasket over some "supreme being" pointing his finger saying "make it so".

 

[vraiblonde]

The Christians, according to the article, had police permission to have a counter demonstration. Did you miss that?

Yes. If they had police permission to do this stuff, why were they arrested then?

These people, according to what I read, were on the sidewalk holding up signs and giving out pamphlets and reading from their Bibles on public property. Last time I checked churches were private property. Different rules.

Okay, then what if they stood across the street from your church shouting passages from whatever the Satanists use as a bible? What if they got a bullhorn so you'd be sure to hear them during the service?

It's the same thing. People have a right to congregate without disruption, no matter who they are or what their cause is.

 

[sleuth]

Yes. If they had police permission to do this stuff, why were they arrested then?


Okay, then what if they stood across the street from your church shouting passages from whatever the Satanists use as a bible? What if they got a bullhorn so you'd be sure to hear them during the service?

It's the same thing. People have a right to congregate without disruption, no matter who they are or what their cause is.

And people have right to protest...
But not with the intent of disrupting someone else's right to assemble.

 

[2ndAmendment]

See, this is where my common sense overrides any "faith/beliefs" I have. I am NO scientist but I cannot foresee this planet withstanding the constant changes we make to it ... you don't think about it much, but things like drilling for oil, blowing buildings up to create new ones, bombing countries ... all that stuff HAS to take a toll on the stability of the planet. An no, I'm not converting to a tree hugger by any means, but just like a person's head ... if you rattle it long and hard enough, things just don't 'work' any more. I can see the 'rattling' of our planet being the cause of a lot of these things that coincidentally are written about as "last day prophesies".

In my mind, that seems a far more likely scenario for earth going to hell in a handbasket over some "supreme being" pointing his finger saying "make it so".

Like I said, "Most people don't believe...".

 

[crabcake]

Like I said, "Most people don't believe...".

No, I do not believe everything I read. Just because someone puts something in print doesn't make it the truth.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Yes. If they had police permission to do this stuff, why were they arrested then?


Okay, then what if they stood across the street from your church shouting passages from whatever the Satanists use as a bible? What if they got a bullhorn so you'd be sure to hear them during the service?

It's the same thing. People have a right to congregate without disruption, no matter who they are or what their cause is.

If they stood across the street, then our church could do nothing about as long as we could not hear them inside. The ordinances against loud noise would take effect if we could. Since the property across the street from our church is private property, the protesters might run into a problem there.

 

[2ndAmendment]

No, I do not believe everything I read. Just because someone puts something in print doesn't make it the truth.

But at least, when the time comes, I will have done my part and you won't be able to plea ignorance nor will anyone wlse who reads my posts.

 

[nomoney]

But at least, when the time comes, I will have done my part and you won't be able to plea ignorance nor will anyone wlse who reads my posts.

because your word is gospel. :amenbrotha:

 

[crabcake]

But at least, when the time comes, I will have done my part and you won't be able to plea ignorance nor will anyone wlse who reads my posts.

Thanks be to God.

 

[2ndAmendment]

because your word is gospel. :amenbrotha:

No. Because I post scripture, mostly in the Religion forum, to proclaim the Truth. No one should follow me. I didn't die on a cross for their forgiveness.