Another stupid ad....

[sinwagon]

I found this ad on the site:

BEST OFFER FOR: Retired Show Dogs Labradors

Category: Dogs

Ad Number: 11603

Date Posted: 03/28/2006

Price: Free

Text of Ad

FREE dogs, breeder down scaling I have older males and female under the age of 9yr. must have a fence. All are very sweet and good with children.

I wrote her along with that other "Breader" and email. This lady should also be ashamed! She says right here there is nothing wrong w/ the dogs and to have dogs 9 and under and get rid of them because they no longer serve the purpose of showing or breeding is so ridiculous! I bet she is not giving away free any of the younger show dogs or pups she got from these poor dogs. I wrote her the following email:

Hi, I saw your ad on Southern Maryland online. I do not want a dog but I just had to say this. I find it rather disturbing that you are a breeder who breeds dogs and shows dogs and then when you decide to “down size” you get rid of the dogs who are older and who are no longer of use to you due to age and their inability to breed and show. Especially if you have had these dogs for their entire lives. That really goes to show you just how much breeders and people who use their dogs for show purposes care about their animals. You should be ashamed of yourself!

I hope for whatever is left of their life, they do find a good home and someone that genuinely cares about and loves them rather than just seeing them as a meal ticket!

You should be ashamed of yourself!

 

[Nickel]

I have to disagree. She isn't looking to make any money off of selling the dogs, she just wants them to have good, loving homes. If she wanted to make a profit, I might think otherwise. If they're show quality dogs, then they're not retarded backyard bred dogs.

 

[Cowgirl]

I'm sorry, but just because they're "show quality" dogs does not mean they are better than other dogs. Most "show quality" dogs around here (and in many other places) have been so in-bred that they have many problems.

 

[bresamil]

I got my Star the same way, but she is one of those "retarded backyard bred dogs".

How is Star doing? I know she's been ill.

 

[sinwagon]

I have to disagree. She isn't looking to make any money off of selling the dogs, she just wants them to have good, loving homes. If she wanted to make a profit, I might think otherwise. If they're show quality dogs, then they're not retarded backyard bred dogs.

Its not about her profiting by selling the dogs, its about the fact that she is now getting rid of them because she can NO LONGER profit from them. They are too old to show and to breed. That is what I was saying, you don't have a dog for 9 years (I am figuring they are about 9 years because the ad says less than 9) and then say "well, I cant use you in shows anymore or breed you, time for you to go" You have to be an uncaring cold hearted b*tch to get rid of a dog after having it all that time simply because you can no longer make money off of them!

 

[aps45819]

How horrible
What could be more discusting than a small business owner trying to keep their business profitable.

I'm guessing you've never lived on a farm

 

[happyappygirl]

Most people are not BREEDERS. A true breeder bears responsibility from cradle to grave. What she is doing is EXTREMELY responsible. If she were NOT responsible, those dogs would be dumped in a shelter or given the blue juice. She is seeking approved forever homes for dogs who have served her well, and been treated equally as well. She gave them an excellent start, they finished their show and breeding career, she has (most likely) altered them, they have been well socialized, well cared for, have (probably) been health cleared, and anyone who gets one will will be D@MN lucky to have it.

The opinions expressed here are those of a very well known, well respected dog breeder herself who has people knocking down her door to have her retired show dogs. I would take one in a heartbeat if i were looking for a Labbie. You would know beyond a shadow of a doubt what you were getting.

 

[Wenchy]

Most people are not BREEDERS. A true breeder bears responsibility from cradle to grave. What she is doing is EXTREMELY responsible. If she were NOT responsible, those dogs would be dumped in a shelter or given the blue juice. She is seeking approved forever homes for dogs who have served her well, and been treated equally as well. She gave them an excellent start, they finished their show and breeding career, she has (most likely) altered them, they have been well socialized, well cared for, have (probably) been health cleared, and anyone who gets one will will be D@MN lucky to have it.

The opinions expressed here are those of a very well known, well respected dog breeder herself who has people knocking down her door to have her retired show dogs. I would take one in a heartbeat if i were looking for a Labbie. You would know beyond a shadow of a doubt what you were getting.

I agree.

If I am not mistaken, Appy has offered a cat in the past that had gone past it's "date". (I could very well be wrong here)

Breeding is a business, and it's a two edged sword, because so many get put into shelters, and the "mutt's" might be euthanized.

The truth is, I do have my "preferred" breeds", and would love one from a breeder or from the rescue. It would depend on which animal latched onto me.

 

[sinwagon]

Well I don't agree and I believe some of you were the very ones sending an email to the other "Breader" who stated "been breed to much but can still be breed again" You don't have a dog for 9 years and develop no emotions towards them and then just give them away. She probaby is not a reputable breeder to begin with.

Talk about talking out of both sides of your mouth!

 

[happyappygirl]

"some of you"? "probably" isn't a reputable breeder anyway?
No Go. If you are going to make statements like that you better d@rn well be able to back them up.
WHAT exactly is "Reputable" in your mind?

I will say i don't breed on a large scale (1-2 litters a year max) and i certainly don't need the money I work to support my animals, and my breeding/showring endeavors have cost me thousands and thousands of $. But i would not have bred my litters had the foundation stock not been deemed worthy in the breed by an UNOBJECTIVE eye (ie an AKC/canadian judge) and i won't go over the whole show ring thing...but with that said, it's people like US who give people who want GOOD QUALITY, well bred pets, there wouldn't be any available. Not every litter is all "show quality" for the most part you get on average a couple of really really worthy animals who can compete and win, and the rest can go to quality "pet" homes. Those "pet" families are LUCKY to get pups from these breedings. And they'd be lucky to get a retired show/breeding quality brood #####!!
For you to make the silly statements you've made, is short sighted and plain MEAN simply because you don't UNDERSTAND what goes into these animals, their care and lifestyles. That breeder does LOVE those dogs or she wouldn't be trying to find them quality homes. Why don't you visit her, and meet the dogs before you pass judgment??? Judging her cruel and heartless because she can make the decision to part with them, to give THEM quality of life, is a GOOD thing-its about the DOG-NOT your opinion!!! Dats all I'm gonna say about DAT.

 

[sinwagon]

"some of you"? "probably" isn't a reputable breeder anyway?
No Go. If you are going to make statements like that you better d@rn well be able to back them up.
WHAT exactly is "Reputable" in your mind?

I will say i don't breed on a large scale (1-2 litters a year max) and i certainly don't need the money I work to support my animals, and my breeding/showring endeavors have cost me thousands and thousands of $. But i would not have bred my litters had the foundation stock not been deemed worthy in the breed by an UNOBJECTIVE eye (ie an AKC/canadian judge) and i won't go over the whole show ring thing...but with that said, it's people like US who give people who want GOOD QUALITY, well bred pets, there wouldn't be any available. Not every litter is all "show quality" for the most part you get on average a couple of really really worthy animals who can compete and win, and the rest can go to quality "pet" homes. Those "pet" families are LUCKY to get pups from these breedings. And they'd be lucky to get a retired show/breeding quality brood #####!!
For you to make the silly statements you've made, is short sighted and plain MEAN simply because you don't UNDERSTAND what goes into these animals, their care and lifestyles. That breeder does LOVE those dogs or she wouldn't be trying to find them quality homes. Why don't you visit her, and meet the dogs before you pass judgment??? Judging her cruel and heartless because she can make the decision to part with them, to give THEM quality of life, is a GOOD thing-its about the DOG-NOT your opinion!!! Dats all I'm gonna say about DAT.

First of all, if I were a "reputable" breeder then I would not take offense to anything that I said. Most of the time people take offense when their practices are not what they should be.

Second, I will say whatever I damn well please, wherever I damn well please, as for my opinion I dont give a rats A$$ what you think about my opinion, I believe that is what these boards are for correct? I don't believe any statement made here is proven FACT unless it is a quote or an article that is posted and published.

Third, why doesn't she keep the dogs as pets? I bet she has a younger brood that was spawned from these dogs she is giving away that she is keeping. To keep breeding them probably and showing them. I would be more inclined to give "new" dogs away than those who I have had for 9 years!

That is my opinion, plain and simple! I personally would never be a breeder because most of the homes I have visited who were breeders was a filthy mess that would not be fit for a pig to live in much less a dog or people.

Once again, my opinion but I guess I better keep that to myself because after all, you are all knowing on this subject and you are the queen know it all when it comes to breeding.

 

[happyappygirl]

Then you haven't done your research when visiting "breeders". Remember when i said most people who claim to be "breeders" AREN'T? Those you visited are prime examples. The "breeders" I deal with have lovely homes, immaculate kennels and superior dogs. Period.

Thanks for the red, BTW. Very grown-up thing to do. You know what they say about opinions? They're like a specific part of the anatomy that everyone one has,

 

[Geek]

I can see where sinwagon is coming from. There are so many dogs that need homes and are being put to sleep in shelters, it seems like this woman should bear the responsiblity of the dogs that she has breed. For every dog she places with a family, a shelter dog might have found a home. I think if you are using dogs to make yourself some money or further a breed you are fond of, then you should give that dog a home for the duration of it's life, even in the expensive older years.

 

[sinwagon]

Then you haven't done your research when visiting "breeders". Remember when i said most people who claim to be "breeders" AREN'T? Those you visited are prime examples. The "breeders" I deal with have lovely homes, immaculate kennels and superior dogs. Period.

Thanks for the red, BTW. Very grown-up thing to do. You know what they say about opinions? They're like a specific part of the anatomy that everyone one has,

Thank you for the red as well, and for making the comment that I am an "idiot" because I do not agree with what you say. However, I would like to say that being the "idiot" that I am, I atleast have a job that requires more thought process than sending two dogs in the back room to screw! That's nothing more than a doggy pimp.

And yes, you are right everyone has that part of anatomy and that goes for ALL opinions, not just mine. I am sure you have lovely dogs, and the comment was not directed at you but you took it as if it was.

Just a question, you say you only breed your dogs 2-3 times a year, I think that is what you said, for how many years?

 

[ajhkmr97]

Most people are not BREEDERS. A true breeder bears responsibility from cradle to grave. What she is doing is EXTREMELY responsible. If she were NOT responsible, those dogs would be dumped in a shelter or given the blue juice. QUOTE]

Well said!!! I couldnt agree more!

 

[happyappygirl]

I can see where sinwagon is coming from. There are so many dogs that need homes and are being put to sleep in shelters, it seems like this woman should bear the responsiblity of the dogs that she has breed. For every dog she places with a family, a shelter dog might have found a home. I think if you are using dogs to make yourself some money or further a breed you are fond of, then you should give that dog a home for the duration of it's life, even in the expensive older years.

Breeding is, at least for the REPUTABLE breeders i work with, is an ART. We are painting with a living canvas, seeking to create our version of the perfect animal according to the standards, regardless of species. We want to make our mark in a breed. Breeding is a crap shoot, since we are working with a huge gene pool. Each litter holds promise. Not every one in the litter will be perfect (in dogs) because of the size litters dogs generally have. They can't all be perfect. Lots of people only want the best they can get. Purchasing a purebred dog gets you many things. Not the least of which is a "known" outcome. Not everyone wants to own a mixed breed dog, because there are too many variables (what size will he be? WHO are his mother or father? etc.) I purchased my first Rottie, and i happened to want a nice quality PET. I knew they had health/temperament issues, and wanted a pup from someone i knew had done all they could to produce a lovely representation of his breed, who was (hopefully) healthy and would live to see 12 or 13. that dog happened to turn out the absolute best in the litter, and founded my breeding program, with the blessing of HIS breeder. He ived to be 14 (Rare in Rotties). I got lucky. I learned a LOT from my mentor, who also placed her retired show males and females, because that is what is best for those specific dogs, to have their own forever homes. I am also responsible for every single puppy i have ever bred, and i can tell you where every single one lives. I breed my females once a year, or occasionally 2 consecutive heats, then skip a full year. I breed them until their litter size declines or the pregnancy seems hard on them. It depends on the individual dog. I then (sometimes) place the adult ##### after i spay her. It depends on the homes i have available. Most of those folks are now begging me for another one of my, as you call them..."castoffs". BTW i did NOT give you red. I don't do that, if you'll check your karma, you'll see my GREEN which i couldn't have given you if i had given you RED. Again, a very adult response to a hot issue.

 

[Busterduck]

*****It depends on the individual dog. I then (sometimes) place the adult ##### after i spay her. It depends on the homes i have available. Most of those folks are now begging me for another one of my, as you call them..."castoffs". BTW i did NOT give you red. I don't do that, if you'll check your karma, you'll see my GREEN which i couldn't have given you if i had given you RED. Again, a very adult response to a hot issue.

I am one of those who would be begging to get her "retired" dogs

Begging . . .Begging . . . .Begging . . . .


You just let me know when I can pick up Liyah.

 

[happyappygirl]

You'll have to fight Brooke I wouldn't put money on a win there

 

[happyappygirl]

I'm sorry, but just because they're "show quality" dogs does not mean they are better than other dogs. Most "show quality" dogs around here (and in many other places) have been so in-bred that they have many problems.

The dog breeding commmunity around here is quite large, and not a good representation of dog breeders unfortunately. i've never seen SO many people who want to make a living off dog uterus' in my LIFE With that said, a TRUE breeder doesn't feel their "show dogs" are better - although on average they really are a better representation of their breed because their breeders took the time to research pedigrees, understand breed correct type and strive to produce it. In doing this, since dogs (usually) have large litters, there are some "left" to sell to good "pet" homes (homes where the folks don't want to show or breed but DO want well bred healthy dogs). Not every pup is "show quality" in a litter (if someone tells you so they've lost their minds, or really ARE greedy, LOL). A true breeder will breed a litter, keep the best or sell it to a home who will utilize the pedigree and type, and that dog will improve the breed as a whole. That's what breeding is all about in any species.

Breeding just to make a car payment is reprehensible. No question. And does cause many animals to be killed every year. But breeders like me, are in the minority, when they should be in the majority. SO many people simply want a healthy well bred pet, and so few really good breeders will breed a litter like this, for the reasons i stated. I breed for ME, not to meet supply and demand. It is sad that people call the whole barrel rotten for a few bad apples.

oh and FWIW, breeding IS an art, and the symantics of outcrossing, linebreeding and inbreeding have been used for many, many years to set type. TRUE breeders understand the hows, whens and whys. What we call "back yard breeders" DON'T. Period.

 

[Nickel]

In doing this, since dogs (usually) have large litters, there are some "left" to sell to good "pet" homes (homes where the folks don't want to show or breed but DO want well bred healthy dogs).

That's how I got my pup, and I couldn't be happier with him. His physical and personality attributes are a true representation of his breeding. He's also been bred to ensure that he isn't predisposed to genetic hip dysplasia, although I understand that we have to keep him healthy so he doesn't develop it through other means. He's a real good dog, and that was important to me when adding an animal to my household with a small child.