Another trip to Arlington...

MMDad

MMDad

Lem Putt
itsbob said:
Rumsfeld served in the U.S. Navy from 1954 to 1957 as a naval aviator and flight instructor. His initial training was in the North American SNJ Texan basic trainer after which he transitioned to flying the Grumman F9F Panther fighter. In 1957, he transferred to the Naval Reserve and continued his naval service in flying and administrative assignments as a drilling reservist until 1975. He transferred to the standby reserve when he became Secretary of Defense in 1975 and retired with the rank of Navy Captain in 1989

1954 - 1957?????

Granted he was a good man, and he has a lifetime of service to his country, but I don't think he was the right man for this job.
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Don't belittle his service. He served, and that matters.

As far as the right man for the job? He was qualified. The CinC picked him. He failed. Good riddance.
 
Pete

Pete

Repete
MMDad said:
Don't belittle his service. He served, and that matters.

As far as the right man for the job? He was qualified. The CinC picked him. He failed. Good riddance.
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Silly, don't you know if you aint Army you don't know crap about no warrin?
 
forestal

forestal

I'm the Boss of Me
yes, they will greet us as liberators and shower us with flowers.

Doesn't anyone see the similarities to Vietnam?? Who the hell do you shoot? Better get it right, or you'll create ten more insurgents with each confirmed kill, or maybe you do get it right, you'll still create more insurgents. You cannot protect people who are trying to kill you.

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vraiblonde said:
If it were me, I'd do an "all hands on deck" and pull troops out of less important duty stations and send them to Iraq. We still have troops in places like Germany and Japan that don't need to be there. We have troops in South America that could easily be deployed to Iraq.

Now, I'm not some brilliant military strategist, but I also don't have to play politics. I say bring in overwhelming force, secure the country and get it over with. Forget this "winning hearts and minds" bull#### - they'll thank us later.
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forestal

forestal

I'm the Boss of Me
I hear that Silly String is a very popular way of getting rid of these booby traps. It hangs on the tripwire without detonating it.


Bustem' Down said:
My best friend from back home just got back from 12 months in Iraq. It was good to see him back in one peice since he's Army EOD. He spent a lot of time getting rid of IED's.
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forestal

forestal

I'm the Boss of Me
He's not going left. He's just not a 'neo-conservative'. He's definitely old school, the original.



vraiblonde said:
Larry, this recent leftward turn of yours is disturbing me. First you friggin' quit smoking, then you go left. Any other little surprises you have for me??
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forestal

forestal

I'm the Boss of Me
You can't win a war with worn out platitudes.

If so, "Bring em on" should have worked along time ago.


kwillia said:
As a citizen of this country I feel completely responsible for F'ing it up as soon as we finished marching on Baghdad. :banghead: It didn't have to be this way... :banghead: I don't like the thought of more of our troops getting killed and maimed but I also don't think we have much of a choice. I do have faith that our troops can kick azz and take names if there are given the chance. The freakin' desk "generals" and the MEDIA need to stop tying their hands....:banghead:
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forestal

forestal

I'm the Boss of Me
My grandad once said:

"A wise man knows when to change his mind. A fool never does."


itsbob said:
Forestal posted about his 28% in the polls.. I think that should be a badge of courage the president should wear. He trys to do right despite the polls, and trys to protect his country despite the polls.. he trys to do right despite the press.. and continues to protect his fellow countrymen because I honestly believe he gets it, he understands the consequence of losing.
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forestal

forestal

I'm the Boss of Me
Earth to Bob, the insurgents ARE HOME. They aren't going ANYWHERE. We are occupying their country and will gladly kill themselves for the slimmest CHANCE at killing an American.

itsbob said:
Solidarity, that's what will end this war and make most of the "insurgency" drop their weapons and go home. Now what they see is weakness, cracks in our resolve, and as long as we let them keep talking, they will continue to take up arms against us.
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forestal

forestal

I'm the Boss of Me
WTF???? Really, this about all we can offer. If we haven't solved the problem within two years we'll have pull out because our Army will be physically, and mentally incapable of continuing.

This isn't me talking. These are our generals opinions.

kwillia said:
Ya want my vision of the future... I envision this latest surge of troops is being done so that we can offer even more reinforcement of the Iraqi troops and will then storm the doors and thin the insurgent herd. The writing is already on the wall for that... ex: statement that Sadr no longer "protected"... doors are already being stormed albiet on a small scale.... I'm thinking(hoping) the promise of this surge in troops was done with a behind the scenes agreement with Iraq that they need to shape up because we will begin to ship out when the surge dies down.

This is my dream of the future.
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PsyOps

PsyOps

Pixelated
forestal said:
Earth to Bob, the insurgents ARE HOME. They aren't going ANYWHERE. We are occupying their country and will gladly kill themselves for the slimmest CHANCE at killing an American.
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The problem with this is the insurgents are killing more (by far) Iraqis than Americans.
 
Bustem' Down

Bustem' Down

Give Peas a Chance
forestal said:
WTF???? Really, this about all we can offer. If we haven't solved the problem within two years we'll have pull out because our Army will be physically, and mentally incapable of continuing.

This isn't me talking. These are our generals opinions.
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Show me the general's quotes please. Considering you are not in the Army I don't believe a word of that.
 
itsbob

itsbob

I bowl overhand
MMDad said:
Don't belittle his service. He served, and that matters.

As far as the right man for the job? He was qualified. The CinC picked him. He failed. Good riddance.
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He failed.. ergo he wasn't the right man for the job. Bad choice no matter who picked him.
 
itsbob

itsbob

I bowl overhand
forestal said:
Earth to Bob, the insurgents ARE HOME. They aren't going ANYWHERE. We are occupying their country and will gladly kill themselves for the slimmest CHANCE at killing an American.
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The six Iranians we captured two weeks ago, they were home??


And what of ALL the stories about the "insurgency" being made up of mostly foreign (From outside of Iraq) fighters.
 
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itsbob

itsbob

I bowl overhand
ylexot said:
What wonderful hindsight you have... :rolleyes:
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I'd have to look back, but I remember saying this before we invaded..

He wanted to lighten the Army (Rumsfeld's Stryker's) Fired the Secretary of the Army.. wanted to go in light just to prove a point that we could do it..etc etc..
 
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