Any Caregivers Here?

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Railroad

Routinely Derailed
Looking to contact those who can be found doing things for those who are sick at all hours of day and night. Pro's and professors, Doctors and Nurses, assistants and certified providers and poor put-upons. Log in and speak out.

Nursing homes, where neither the aide nor the patient can be officially recorded honestly

Homes, where the minutes tick by and the hours are torture, for the quick and the sick

Phantom places where the disease attacks without warning and the crisis is incredible and suddenly everything is hidden again

Where the drugs, the alcohol, the porn, and the gambling live to suck the life from anyone including those with the lifeline at the edge of the quagmire

Not for the patients or the prospectors, but for the slaves who labor in love daily and go home tapped out -- or continue until falling into bed to sleep.
 

Roman

Active Member
I will admit, that I am a Tar-Tar when it comes to some stuff, but I have read the first Post a few times, and STILL can't figure out what was said. Go ahead, and tear me up on-line if need be, but I am just wondering??:confused::confused:
 

Railroad

Routinely Derailed
I will admit, that I am a Tar-Tar when it comes to some stuff, but I have read the first Post a few times, and STILL can't figure out what was said. Go ahead, and tear me up on-line if need be, but I am just wondering??:confused::confused:

Okay - and no I don't think you're a tar-tar. The following is a little difficult to write, but if it's not clear to you, it won't be clear to others, so here we go.

People who spend a good bit of their lives caring for ill people, particularly in nursing homes or (as family members or hospice folks) in home situations, have unique life experiences of an emotional nature that isn't well understood by people who haven't had the same experience.

Some caregivers, like family members who care for a permanently ill family members, have their lives altered in a very profound way by the situation.

I, for example, used to have hobbies and a flexible schedule and the ability to travel. My home life consisted of fun time with hobbies and less-fun time doing guy chores. When I was cooking I was usually grilling out, though I was never too much of a slouch in the kitchen.

I was on a business trip to Texas when I got the call that my wife had been diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis. That was in 1997. By 2004 she was put on Social Security Disability due to the loss of mobility and muscular control, and in 2007 she woke up paralyzed one morning and asked to be put in a nursing home. In 2009 I took her back out of the nursing home and spent $30,000 of my own on medical equipment to make it possible for her to live at home. Home was no longer our house in Hollywood, which couldn't accommodate her wheelchair and bed. It was a rented condo with an open floor plan.

My lifestyle had gradually fallen apart as her condition gradually worsened, and now I was the caregiver - meaning: bathing her, dressing her, helping her go to the potty and cleaning her up afterward, getting her in and out of bed, managing her medications and treating the multitude of quirky medical problems that crop up with bedbound or wheelchair bound people with immune disorders. I cooked, did the housecleaning, managed the family finances, managed doctor appointments, etc. And I also held down a 35-hour-a-week job at NAVAIR.

Things are a bit better in that our weekday caregiver is our daughter, but I pay her the going rate for her services - about $500 a week. I still have no freedom and still can't do the things that need a guy to do them, I still can't travel in association with my job (a constant struggle to manage).

And their are some heavy emotional issues, too - some too hard to understand for anyone not in my position. For example, this weekend she (my wife) had an exacerbation of uncommon cruelty. She had already lost the use of both legs and one arm. Yesterday she was in agony as the nerves in her mouth felt like she was getting high-voltage shocks all day. When that went away, we noticed that she has lost almost all use of the one good hand and arm. Since she is now secondary-progressive instead of relapsing-remitting, the loss could very well be permanent. Distressing to say the very least.

Does that answer your question?
 
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Railroad

Routinely Derailed
Here's another perspective:
Nursing home work doesn't pay well, but the Certified Nursing Assistants who work there are expected to do far more than people in equivalent-paying jobs. The demands are constant and stress-filled, and because of the high turnover rate in the field, management makes no commitment to the CNAs. Family members blame the CNAs for everything - and so do the Nursing Home Management.

CNA's do everything from emptying bedpans to taking vital signs to dispensing meds to comforting the inconsolable to helping someone keep from hurting themselves. They dress and clean wounds, sometimes start IVs or administer injections or take blood samples (depends on the home). They serve meals, they dodge spit and vomit and hurled insults and sometimes flying fists. They put up with an atmosphere that at times is beyond depressing.

And sometimes, the CNAs and their patients become great friends, close friends, and when death comes (expectedly or not), the pain is as bad as losing a family member. All too often, the CNA's grief isn't helped at all by the patient's family or by Management. Life goes on, or the CNA gets fired. And they can't talk to anybody about it.

Hospital Emergency Rooms and other Treatment Facilities, likewise, have many and varied sources of stress and pain. I imagine that losing a patient is never easy to handle, and I've been in attendance in the last little while of someone's life, for those who are dying slowly. The patients and families come and go, but the staff remains to handle the next ones. I've seen it when burn-out finally takes away the empathy and paperwork is suddenly more engrossing than the patient.

Doctors and Nurses seem perennially overloaded, especially the good ones. When the day is over and they return from superhero mode, hopefully to go rest, where can they dump the baggage of the day? There aren't always easy answers to that. Sometimes there is no answer to that.
 
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Railroad

Routinely Derailed
So caregivers need to be able to share, and it's not always easy to find a forum where they can do so. What I'm trying to do is find out whether a caregiver's forum would be helpful here. I got a lot of benefit from the Well Spouse Association forums, but when the webmasters started adding complexity to the log-on, I quit in protest, about a year ago.

Anyway - nobody should have to suffer in silence and isolation. I'm interested in setting something up to help with that, if there are people here who need it.
 

acommondisaster

Active Member
I don't know if we fit into the same category; I have a severely handicapped adult child who requires care. I guess it comes with its own challenges.

I don't think this is the right place to air frustrations or concerns. A member forum maybe? I'm not comfortable putting out the sort of information you shared in this forum in particular.....I do not want the opinions or comments or judgements of people who have no clue what it's like day to day.
 

SoMDGirl42

Well-Known Member
So caregivers need to be able to share, and it's not always easy to find a forum where they can do so. What I'm trying to do is find out whether a caregiver's forum would be helpful here. I got a lot of benefit from the Well Spouse Association forums, but when the webmasters started adding complexity to the log-on, I quit in protest, about a year ago.

Anyway - nobody should have to suffer in silence and isolation. I'm interested in setting something up to help with that, if there are people here who need it.

I don't know if we fit into the same category; I have a severely handicapped adult child who requires care. I guess it comes with its own challenges.

I don't think this is the right place to air frustrations or concerns. A member forum maybe? I'm not comfortable putting out the sort of information you shared in this forum in particular.....I do not want the opinions or comments or judgements of people who have no clue what it's like day to day.

For what it's worth, I commend you both for your commitment to your wife and child. Whether or not they are able/capable to voice their appreciation to you, I'm sure you will never know how truly grateful they are for you both.
 

twinoaks207

Having Fun!
Caregivers...the unsung and unacknowleged heroes...

Watched my Mom care for my Dad through cancer, Alzheimer's & strokes and to this day, emotionally, I don't know how she did it. I only know that she loved my Dad with all of her heart and gave him what he needed, whenever he needed it no matter the cost to her, because that's how she is. I know it was hard, especially when he called her "that woman"...

to Railroad and acommondisaster:
I commend you and admire you for all that you do. I also send prayers that you might find the strength and support that you need to do what you do, and that you might at some time, find some time and peace for yourself.

As far as a private forum...
I would imagine that is probably like that baseball field..."if you build it, they will come..."
 

Railroad

Routinely Derailed
Caregivers...the unsung and unacknowleged heroes...

Watched my Mom care for my Dad through cancer, Alzheimer's & strokes and to this day, emotionally, I don't know how she did it. I only know that she loved my Dad with all of her heart and gave him what he needed, whenever he needed it no matter the cost to her, because that's how she is. I know it was hard, especially when he called her "that woman"...

to Railroad and acommondisaster:
I commend you and admire you for all that you do. I also send prayers that you might find the strength and support that you need to do what you do, and that you might at some time, find some time and peace for yourself.

As far as a private forum...
I would imagine that is probably like that baseball field..."if you build it, they will come..."


Thanks!
 

libertytyranny

Dream Stealer
I have to say that being a 24/7 caregiver is a LOT of work. And when it is a loved one that you have to deal with day after day losing their abilities the emotional toll is staggering. MS and alzheimers are the two worst diseases ever. They make you watch the decline of your loved one, watch their daily deaths. It is heartbreaking like not too many things are in life. Being a CNA I shared int he pain of so many families...including the saddest ever..a couple of newlyweds..they had been married a few months when the wife started having symptoms..within a year she had been diagnosed with MS and in a wheelchair. Their life plans of a home and family and christmas trees and walking the dog were gone. It was the most gut wrenching story I have ever heard in my life. He spoke with me and we were both crying, it is very hard to not be affected by things like that. I still think about them sometimes.

People who sacrifice their lives to care for a loved one are the bravest and strongest people I have ever met. But do NOT feel guilty for having a break or wishing it were over, or just wishing for a moment you could be somewhere else..it is a normal natural reaction I have observed in hundreds of caretakers. I wish I had some great advice to make everything better, but I don't. If you are a caretaker, take some time for yourself, make it happen. Don't feel guilty, because your loved one needs you to be healthy and reasonably hopeful. they feel bad enough about needing the care, believe me. I have had several ask me how to end their life because they see the strain they are putting on the person they love. Its not a pleasant situation for anyone involved. But there are beautiful moments every day, try to appreciate them.
 

Roman

Active Member
Okay - and no I don't think you're a tar-tar. The following is a little difficult to write, but if it's not clear to you, it won't be clear to others, so here we go.

People who spend a good bit of their lives caring for ill people, particularly in nursing homes or (as family members or hospice folks) in home situations, have unique life experiences of an emotional nature that isn't well understood by people who haven't had the same experience.

Some caregivers, like family members who care for a permanently ill family members, have their lives altered in a very profound way by the situation.

I, for example, used to have hobbies and a flexible schedule and the ability to travel. My home life consisted of fun time with hobbies and less-fun time doing guy chores. When I was cooking I was usually grilling out, though I was never too much of a slouch in the kitchen.

I was on a business trip to Texas when I got the call that my wife had been diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis. That was in 1997. By 2004 she was put on Social Security Disability due to the loss of mobility and muscular control, and in 2007 she woke up paralyzed one morning and asked to be put in a nursing home. In 2009 I took her back out of the nursing home and spent $30,000 of my own on medical equipment to make it possible for her to live at home. Home was no longer our house in Hollywood, which couldn't accommodate her wheelchair and bed. It was a rented condo with an open floor plan.

My lifestyle had gradually fallen apart as her condition gradually worsened, and now I was the caregiver - meaning: bathing her, dressing her, helping her go to the potty and cleaning her up afterward, getting her in and out of bed, managing her medications and treating the multitude of quirky medical problems that crop up with bedbound or wheelchair bound people with immune disorders. I cooked, did the housecleaning, managed the family finances, managed doctor appointments, etc. And I also held down a 35-hour-a-week job at NAVAIR.

Things are a bit better in that our weekday caregiver is our daughter, but I pay her the going rate for her services - about $500 a week. I still have no freedom and still can't do the things that need a guy to do them, I still can't travel in association with my job (a constant struggle to manage).

And their are some heavy emotional issues, too - some too hard to understand for anyone not in my position. For example, this weekend she (my wife) had an exacerbation of uncommon cruelty. She had already lost the use of both legs and one arm. Yesterday she was in agony as the nerves in her mouth felt like she was getting high-voltage shocks all day. When that went away, we noticed that she has lost almost all use of the one good hand and arm. Since she is now secondary-progressive instead of relapsing-remitting, the loss could very well be permanent. Distressing to say the very least.

Does that answer your question?
Thank you for clearing that up for me, and for not making me feel stupid. My hat is off to all Care Givers. The devotion, and the sacrifices are commendable. My Mother-in-Law was taking care of her MIL that had Altzeimers, and my Father-in-Law who had Cancer at the same time. Strong Woman. As mentioned earlier, take care of yourself too. :huggy:
 

Railroad

Routinely Derailed
I have to say that being a 24/7 caregiver is a LOT of work. And when it is a loved one that you have to deal with day after day losing their abilities the emotional toll is staggering. MS and alzheimers are the two worst diseases ever. They make you watch the decline of your loved one, watch their daily deaths. It is heartbreaking like not too many things are in life. Being a CNA I shared int he pain of so many families...including the saddest ever..a couple of newlyweds..they had been married a few months when the wife started having symptoms..within a year she had been diagnosed with MS and in a wheelchair. Their life plans of a home and family and christmas trees and walking the dog were gone. It was the most gut wrenching story I have ever heard in my life. He spoke with me and we were both crying, it is very hard to not be affected by things like that. I still think about them sometimes.

People who sacrifice their lives to care for a loved one are the bravest and strongest people I have ever met. But do NOT feel guilty for having a break or wishing it were over, or just wishing for a moment you could be somewhere else..it is a normal natural reaction I have observed in hundreds of caretakers. I wish I had some great advice to make everything better, but I don't. If you are a caretaker, take some time for yourself, make it happen. Don't feel guilty, because your loved one needs you to be healthy and reasonably hopeful. they feel bad enough about needing the care, believe me. I have had several ask me how to end their life because they see the strain they are putting on the person they love. Its not a pleasant situation for anyone involved. But there are beautiful moments every day, try to appreciate them.

:huggy: Thank you so much!
 

daylily

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I have to say that being a 24/7 caregiver is a LOT of work. And when it is a loved one that you have to deal with day after day losing their abilities the emotional toll is staggering. MS and alzheimers are the two worst diseases ever. They make you watch the decline of your loved one, watch their daily deaths. It is heartbreaking like not too many things are in life. Being a CNA I shared int he pain of so many families...including the saddest ever..a couple of newlyweds..they had been married a few months when the wife started having symptoms..within a year she had been diagnosed with MS and in a wheelchair. Their life plans of a home and family and christmas trees and walking the dog were gone. It was the most gut wrenching story I have ever heard in my life. He spoke with me and we were both crying, it is very hard to not be affected by things like that. I still think about them sometimes.

People who sacrifice their lives to care for a loved one are the bravest and strongest people I have ever met. But do NOT feel guilty for having a break or wishing it were over, or just wishing for a moment you could be somewhere else..it is a normal natural reaction I have observed in hundreds of caretakers. I wish I had some great advice to make everything better, but I don't. If you are a caretaker, take some time for yourself, make it happen. Don't feel guilty, because your loved one needs you to be healthy and reasonably hopeful. they feel bad enough about needing the care, believe me. I have had several ask me how to end their life because they see the strain they are putting on the person they love. Its not a pleasant situation for anyone involved. But there are beautiful moments every day, try to appreciate them.

I think this post probably did a lot to help the OP. Sometimes caregivers need to hear that they shouldn't feel guilty for having thoughts they sometimes have. They can't help it, it's common/normal and anyone who says they've NEVER wished the hell would end isn't being honest. And the OP is right.....nobody fully understands what it's like to be in that situation unless they've been there themselves.

To the OP......It is so so so important to take some time for yourself. You'll lose your sanity if you don't. I'm sure your wife would want you to do something for yourself to give you a break once in a while. I think your idea for a private forum is a great idea. I think there are many people out there who would benefit from being able to vent without being judged by those who don't understand. I'm glad you have your daughter to help you as well. Family support is such a blessing.
 

Railroad

Routinely Derailed
I think this post probably did a lot to help the OP. Sometimes caregivers need to hear that they shouldn't feel guilty for having thoughts they sometimes have. They can't help it, it's common/normal and anyone who says they've NEVER wished the hell would end isn't being honest. And the OP is right.....nobody fully understands what it's like to be in that situation unless they've been there themselves.

To the OP......It is so so so important to take some time for yourself. You'll lose your sanity if you don't. I'm sure your wife would want you to do something for yourself to give you a break once in a while. I think your idea for a private forum is a great idea. I think there are many people out there who would benefit from being able to vent without being judged by those who don't understand. I'm glad you have your daughter to help you as well. Family support is such a blessing.

Thank you! :huggy:

I plan to make the forum a reality - working with the team to make it happen. Stay tuned.
 
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