AOC - SAYS U.S. IS 'RUNNING CONCENTRATION CAMPS ON OUR SOUTHERN BORDER'

GURPS

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Watch CNN’s Chris Cuomo Own Himself On AOC’s Nazi Instagram Post

At the top of the video, Cuomo engages in the gaslighting that much of the progressive press did yesterday, contorting themselves to suggest that the terms “concentration camps,” and “Never Again,” have nothing to do with Nazis. Steve Cortes made the blatantly obvious point that AOC was talking about the Holocaust, which, let’s be honest, everybody knows.

To this, Cuomo quipped, “You did not have similar problems with the term, America first, which is equally stained.” Presumably, this was a reference to Hitler’s propensity towards praising the United States, democracy, and liberty, which never happened. Cuomo goes on to say that the term nationalism is similarly stained, and Nazi sympathizer Steve Cortes refuses to denounce it.

So, here’s the thing on this—the thing that Cuomo didn’t realize was crumbing his play. By suggesting that the terms “nationalism,” and “America first” are irredeemably connected to Nazism, he absolutely conceded to Cortes’ point regarding the term “concentration camp.” There is no universe in which the first two terms are more associated with Nazis than the latter.

It’s not terribly surprising that Cuomo would engage in this kind of gaslighting, but it is surprising that he thinks anyone will actually believe this abject nonsense. Cuomo casts himself as a straight shooter who calls out both sides. And in fairness, from time to time he is, but last night he was most definitely not. Had Donald Trump or any other Republican compared Nancy Pelosi to Nazis in an absolutely obvious way, and a conservative guest suggested he didn’t, there would have been a 10-minute tirade about apples and bananas and how CNN won’t stand for that.
 

Midnightrider

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Now we're playing semantics. Most concentration camps were, in actual operation, death camps. Perhaps not direct execution, but reduced calories, horrible living/working conditions, etc. made the net effect the same.

Let's post what Auschwitz had to say to your argument. This tweet and following ones you can look up set the record straight:

Bottom line, AOC stepped on it big time and instead of putting down the shovel she continued to dig deeper. That she has had so many apologists for this "insensitivity" is appalling.

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Hey dummy, auschwitz was a death camp. There were many others that were factory camps or interment camps.
 

Midnightrider

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Someone been reading my posts? :)

" I am not buying it, she wants to have her cake and eat it to. She wants to dog whistle the Holocaust but not actually say it. Bullsh&. "
If there is one thing Trumpers are experts on it is listening to dog whistles.
 

GURPS

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This_person

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Let's pretend that the idiotic position this was not a reference to Nazi concentration camps is somehow, despite how incredibly far-fetched, correct.

Let's say that she was comparing them to the Democrat-created Japanese internment camps.

THAT'S a ludicrous statement, too.
 

herb749

Active Member
I always believed them to be Work to Death Camps. Weren't work camps like prison camps in the South.?

You know, Cool Hand Luke types.
 

glhs837

Power with Control
Few? Eight is a bit more than a few. And these eight only accounted for half the victims. All the camps were death camps. Only these eight had death as the primary purpose.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extermination_camp

CampEstimated
deaths
OperationalOccupied territoryCurrent country of locationPrimary means for mass killings
Auschwitz–Birkenau
1,100,000 [70]
May 1940 – January 1945Province of Upper SilesiaPolandZyklon B gas chambers
Treblinka
800,000 [71]
23 July 1942 – 19 October 1943General Government districtPolandCarbon monoxide gas chambers
Bełżec
600,000 [72]
17 March 1942 – end of June 1943General Government districtPolandCarbon monoxide gas chambers
Chełmno
320,000 [73]
8 December 1941 – March 1943,
June 1944 – 18 January 1945
District of Reichsgau WarthelandPolandCarbon monoxide vans
Sobibór
250,000[74]
16 May 1942 – 17 October 1943General Government districtPolandCarbon monoxide gas chambers
Majdanek
at least 80,000 [75]
1 October 1941 – 22 July 1944General Government districtPolandZyklon B gas chambers
Maly Trostinets
65,000 [76]
Middle of 1941 to 28 June 1944Reichskommissariat OstlandBelarusMass shootings, gas van[77]
Sajmište
23,000 [78]
28 October 1941 – July 1944Independent State of CroatiaSerbiaCarbon monoxide van
Total
3,115,000 – 3,215,000 [79][80]
 

Midnightrider

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Few? Eight is a bit more than a few. And these eight only accounted for half the victims. All the camps were death camps. Only these eight had death as the primary purpose.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extermination_camp

CampEstimated
deaths
OperationalOccupied territoryCurrent country of locationPrimary means for mass killings
Auschwitz–Birkenau
1,100,000 [70]
May 1940 – January 1945Province of Upper SilesiaPolandZyklon B gas chambers
Treblinka
800,000 [71]
23 July 1942 – 19 October 1943General Government districtPolandCarbon monoxide gas chambers
Bełżec
600,000 [72]
17 March 1942 – end of June 1943General Government districtPolandCarbon monoxide gas chambers
Chełmno
320,000 [73]
8 December 1941 – March 1943,
June 1944 – 18 January 1945
District of Reichsgau WarthelandPolandCarbon monoxide vans
Sobibór
250,000[74]
16 May 1942 – 17 October 1943General Government districtPolandCarbon monoxide gas chambers
Majdanek
at least 80,000 [75]
1 October 1941 – 22 July 1944General Government districtPolandZyklon B gas chambers
Maly Trostinets
65,000 [76]
Middle of 1941 to 28 June 1944Reichskommissariat OstlandBelarusMass shootings, gas van[77]
Sajmište
23,000 [78]
28 October 1941 – July 1944Independent State of CroatiaSerbiaCarbon monoxide van
Total
3,115,000 – 3,215,000 [79][80]
Do you know how many the were killed by the einsatzgrupene? How about over 2 million. Add that to the half that died at actual death camps and your arguement fails.

If you want to niggle over the meaning of the word ‘few’ you should educate yourself on the big picture. As I said, there were many camps that were work camps, but there were only a few actual death camps.
 

Yooper

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Hey dummy, auschwitz was a death camp. There were many others that were factory camps or interment camps.
Why is it then that "Arbeit Macht Frei" was prominently featured at the camp entrance?

As I said, there were many camps that were work camps, but there were only a few actual death camps.
And as I said, you're playing a bad game of semantics. If you want to go by the designation of the camp, fine. But in actual practice there was little difference between the two other than scale as work camps were essentially death camps. The entire KonzLager system was one where leaving it alive was a very long shot. Are you trying to make the point that those at the work camps could have taken solace in the fact they weren't at one of the "few actual death camps"?

If there is one thing Trumpers are experts on it is listening to dog whistles.
God damn you people get wound up about stupid crap.
LOL. You get called on your comments causing you to curl up and complain about Trumpers responding to dog whistles and getting wound up? Passive-aggressive much?

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Midnightrider

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Why is it then that "Arbeit Macht Frei" was prominently featured at the camp entrance?


And as I said, you're playing a bad game of semantics. If you want to go by the designation of the camp, fine. But in actual practice there was little difference between the two other than scale as work camps were essentially death camps. The entire KonzLager system was one where leaving it alive was a very long shot. Are you trying to make the point that those at the work camps could have taken solace in the fact they weren't at one of the "few actual death camps"?




LOL. You get called on your comments causing you to curl up and complain about Trumpers responding to dog whistles and getting wound up? Passive-aggressive much?

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It’s not semantics, it’s reality. A person chosen to be sent to a work camp had a much higher chance of surviving than a person sent to a death camp. The Nazis had a system, and it included using able bodied workers to propel the war machine.
Saying all camps were death camps because people died there is like saying a cold is the same as aids.
 

Yooper

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A person chosen to be sent to a work camp had a much higher chance of surviving than a person sent to a death camp.
A person sent to a work camp should have been relieved? I would disagree, because while...
The Nazis had a system, and it included using able bodied workers to propel the war machine.
The able-bodied worker would eventually become not able-bodied due to the starvation diet fed to them and the work conditions they were subjected to.

Saying all camps were death camps because people died there is like saying a cold is the same as aids.
For the person that dies of a cold it is just as severe as AIDS.

But more to the point, are you really going to say that the conditions of a work camp were such that it was the totalitarian equivalent of a cold? If so, then I understand why you've taken the position you have regarding AOC's comments.

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glhs837

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YAY!!!! Got sent to a work camp, where my chances of survival are much better than those of a death camp. Because 30% is much greater than 0%. Yay me!!!!!!

Maybe it's just me, but comparing that to a place where your chances of death by anything other than an illness you entered the camp with is pretty stupid.
 

BOP

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https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1141315276887252992.html

The biggest idiot in Congress drove a dump truck full of flaming toxic waste off a cliff, and most of the left leaped into the void after her yelling "Auschwitz wasn't so bad!" and "Never Again has nothing to do with the Holocaust!" on the day Trump launched his re-election bid.

It was the slowest pitch Democrats could have tossed over home plate when Trump stepped up to bat. He couldn't have orchestrated a better launch if he could have hypnotized Dems into doing whatever he wanted.

The Dems played perfectly into Trump's pitch as the only defense Middle America has against a gang of raging left-wing kooks. The public knows the Dems are trying to erase the southern border and they don't want that.

The Dems are taking a lot of pressure off Trump from the right, where there is some disappointment with his effectiveness on border security. He might have had an enthusiasm problem there, but Dems just helpfully fixed it for him.
This was the funniest line from that link, because it described the left in general, but our resident takers perfectly:
"Trump will gleefully goad the vile idiots into shooting off their mouths again."

We see it every single day around here.
 

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Midnightrider

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YAY!!!! Got sent to a work camp, where my chances of survival are much better than those of a death camp. Because 30% is much greater than 0%. Yay me!!!!!!

Maybe it's just me, but comparing that to a place where your chances of death by anything other than an illness you entered the camp with is pretty stupid.
I’ll take 30% chance of living over 0% any day. But you just pulled that number out of your ass anyway.

Good thing she was comparing the boarder camps to the Japanese interment camps then.

A person sent to a work camp should have been relieved? I would disagree, because while...

The able-bodied worker would eventually become not able-bodied due to the starvation diet fed to them and the work conditions they were subjected to.


For the person that dies of a cold it is just as severe as AIDS.

But more to the point, are you really going to say that the conditions of a work camp were such that it was the totalitarian equivalent of a cold? If so, then I understand why you've taken the position you have regarding AOC's comments.

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I didn’t say relieved.

It’s an analogy. Look the term up. If you think a cold and aids are the same you are retarded.
 

GURPS

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Even MSNBC Slams Ocasio-Cortez For Her ‘Concentration Camp’ Remarks. Ocasio-Cortez Responds By Lying.

"She just did the people there a tremendous disservice," Todd said. "Be careful comparing them to Nazi concentration camps because they’re not at all comparable in the slightest."

"She tried to make a distinction between concentration camps and Nazi death camps,” Todd continued. "But Congresswoman, tens of thousands were also brutalized, starved, and ultimately died in those concentration camps."

Todd correctly noted that immigration detention facilities are "not at all comparable" to "Nazi concentration camps."

"Some Democrats have been reluctant to condemn her remarks, they don't want to get criticized on Twitter," Todd added. "Why are we so sheepish calling out people we agree with politically these days?"


 

Yooper

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It’s an analogy. Look the term up. If you think a cold and aids are the same you are retarded.
It may be an analogy, but it is a really poor one.

And why this proclivity to abuse in your posts?

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