Beware! Leftists in our schools!!!

[ConcrndCitizen2]

I ran out of space.



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I find it most disturbing that you have no links and only vaque references. Please do your research and have your references readily available.

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"State agencies take your children because our overlords in Washington pay them to. "

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,30915,00.html

In "A State Agency With the Power to 'Kidnap With Impunity'", Wendy McElroy explains:

The Adoption and Safe Families Act of 1997 is explicit about the rewards. Under a section called "Adoption Incentive Payment," the act says a state can receive as much as $4,000 for adopting-out a child [from an abusive home]. There is even a provision offering technical assistance "through grants or contracts ... to assist States and local communities to reach their targets for increased numbers of adoptions and, to the extent that adoption is not possible, alternative permanent placements, for children in foster care."

The money from incentives, grants, and contracts goes directly into the coffers of child protection agencies when they adopt-out children.

Who benefits? "Social workers, diagnosticians, attorneys, foster homes and group homes, to name a few," says Susan Jackson of CPS Watch, a watchdog organization that monitors Child Protective Services. "These folks are fed by a child abuse industry to the tune of well over $12 billion."

 

[vraiblonde]

Which leads to another argument - being able to own firearms to protect your home and family. How many of us would shoot a social worker or cop who came for our kid? Probably not many. But the threat does still exist.

And, Citizen, please don't be offended when someone asks you for a verification source. This is just a message board and people get on here all the time spewing BS. We don't know you and don't know if you're just some nut or if this is a valid concern. It's nothing personal.

 

[ConcrndCitizen2]

RE: "Don't be offended", etc.

I'm offended, but not by those looking for the truth; just by those who are trying to cover it up. ( I'm used to messageboards and debates. It would take a lot more than a request for back-up info to get me riled. ) This is a VERY REAL concern and it's happening right in your own backyard. People who have not yet been attacked by this system MUST stand up and stand TOGETHER to stop these people who make their livings from taking YOUR children, and now also legally, free ADULTS from other states who were just there for a visit!

( See also : http://forums.somd.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9872 )

Don't assume that because a person is in the system, that he/she is supposed to be there, is there by due process, has really been abused by their family, and has, therefore, been protected from abuse by their new placement. In most cases the opposite has happened. I will state, though, for the record I personally knew 2 wonderful people who did foster-care in Maryland and they adopted a person who is, by now, a beautiful young woman, and I know of 4 other sets of foster parents in 3 other states who would never dream of treating children as has been described in Robert and Michael Dyson's non-case "case". The truth of the matter is, though, good placements are not the norm.

This particular "placement" was wrong from the beginning in every conceivable area and C.C.D.S.S. has had to keep up their lies and charade to cover up the fact that they really DID take legally FREE, ADULT, VIRGINIA residents and fraudulently force them into this situation. Worse than that, everyone from the C.C.D.S.S. supervisors, Doreen McKenzie and Gary Anderson, on down to their caregivers have literally conspired to kidnap and regress them, so no one would find out. ( The supervisors, without due process, have sent signed letters to the family telling them not to call the twins. The caregivers changed their number so they couldn't, then, when Governor Ehrlich's Individuals With Disablities Office and The Attorney General's Office got involved, to cover over this CRIME, another letter was sent by C.C.D.S.S. saying how much "C.C.D.S.S. cares about the family staying in contact"... Also signed and dated. Yes, they cared so much the number was changed.. Get the picture?)

The reasons for the "vagueness" when people discuss this issue behind closed doors and in hushed tones is because everytime a peep was made out of their family against all of this, ( during periods when they were allowed to see and/or speak with them ), the abuse increased, because Robert and Michael were demanding their freedom when they got near their family! When last seen in July, ( when they were lied to by the casegiver and casemanager and told they couldn't leave because they had a "letter stating they had to stay in the state of Maryland", implying legal grounds for them to not go home that don't exist!!! ), they were denied the ability to leave, and their sister reported they were being denied food as behavior modification, which caused them to lose between 15-20 lbs. ( ie : The more people scream, the more the children are abused.. )

Also slander against the family, causing more autistic regression and agression, was used against the twins in the attempt to silence the adults involved. Your own Sheriff's office reported that " Mental abuse is not against the law in Southern Maryland D.S.S., group, OR NURSING HOMES". If it's not then you people need to get on the phone and call your law-makers! Why are these called "civil" and not "criminal" violations?!??! If it is "criminal", then someone needs to rescue Robert and Michael from this kidnapping and abuse by simply putting them in a car and sending the free, VA. RESIDENTS BACK HOME where they BELONG!!!

You can bet your last dollar it won't be The State rescuing them in the same manner any other kidnap victim would be! To rescue them in the way they should be, will imply GUILT by The State. Doreen McKensie has gotten her superior's in a pickle. To keep them = a crime of kidnapping, conspiracy, and corruption. To let them go home = admission of the same. What a Catch 22 this is for them. What to do? Well, how about starting with "the right thing"? Another novel idea! Again, simply send the free, VA. RESIDENTS BACK HOME where they BELONG!!!


The sheriff's office and local police merely do a drive by, say :"Nothing is wrong", and have never once taken the word of valid witnesses to the fact of how much Michael and Robert weighed when this all started... or the mental and emotional reaction this had caused due to their autism, or their demands to leave even when the documentation so stating this demand to The School system was sent to them!! ( Their autism has also been denied in writing to the family. However their school assessment begs to differ. )

Therefore, if people even remotely involved in a situation like this are not screaming out, it is because they are attempting to protect their own children, relatives, friends of relatives, and children of friends, etc., from the abuse of their "caregivers", BECAUSE NO ONE INVOLVED EVEN REMOTELY WITH THE STATE WILL PROTECT OR RESCUE THEM!!

What the "civil protectors" don't know yet, though, is that CPS, et.al., in most cases across the U.S., have no intention whatsoever of giving back the children, and the silence of the adults will only perpetuate the abuse and control CPS has gained over American Families. In effect, what they literally are telling families, through all of this destruction, is : "If you don't shut up, we're going to harm your child/children and family worse than this." That's BLACKMAIL on top of KIDNAPPING.

What money is involved? That which parents are forced to pay to legally fight this mess... which, by the way, keeps the courts in business... and financially drains the family. You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours and together we'll CREATE poverty-stricken families who "SHOULDN'T have their own kids" ! What a CONCEPT! Read the above links and follow their links, until you find all of the documentation showing how the courts make all of this "legal" by siding with CPS. ( I'm not doing anyone else's homework for them. Do it yourself, become involved, become informed. It's apathy that has caused this state of affairs! )

Why are the courts siding with CPS? Who is going to believe the accused parent anyway especially if they are poor and they have other unrelated problems in their lives? CPS has decided that Life isn't messy and that families do not have the right to muddle through it just like the families of CPS does!! According to them, it's better for children to be torn away from their families and live with strangers than it is for them to stay with their own flesh and blood, and they use the flimsiest-to-no reasons to make sure this happens!

Also what are you going to do when judges siding with CPS against the facts or the rights of families to muddle through, ( this is called invasion of privacy and government intrusion ), are not governed by anyone but themselves? Who is there to stop them from doing this? NO ONE! I once went into a Southern Maryland's judge's chambers, which was supposedly off-limits to the people who really pay his salary : the mere tax-payer, and on his desk sits, ( I bet still ), a framed quote that says : "Nobody, but nobody gets in to see The Wizard"..

Just call me "Dorothy"... I'm pulling back the curtain and carrying around my bucket of water. How many people really want to get rid of the leftists taking over the U.S.? You have to be careful, leftists, because the leftists are even coming after your children too...The State is only on the side of The State, ( In this issue, being on the side of this Police State won't save anyone. ) The People are not included in that "State" category anymore... Funny, I thought this was a union of the PEOPLE, by the PEOPLE, and for the PEOPLE.. I guess you have to have a job in a state capacity for that to be applicable. They only protect themselves now, which is why Roy Dyson's office calls this "a civil suit" and thusly washes it's hands of this whole affair and his own cousins, to boot. What hope do non-relatives have then I wonder?

 

[Mountain MaMa]

Vrai, Yeah He remembers, the guy was in the crypto with Dave..He can't remember his name. A few years back here in SOMD a friends pre teen daughter got in an argument with her Mom about what to wear to school. At school she fell and scraped her arm. When the teacher asked her what happened she said her Mom did it. Social service took her and her younger sister off the school bus. The bus comes, no kids, Mom calls school, as far as they knew the kids were on the bus. Frantic, she chases the bus down and the driver tells her social service has them. It took her a year of home visits, and couseling before they finally closed the case. I understand they need to investigate but is this why we have so many that slip through the cracks?

 

[ConcrndCitizen2]

Welcome to The New World Order..The only solution is for parents to band together and form their own advocacy groups and learn how to protect themselves and how to stand against the system even if it is just a program in the auditorium that doesn't stay neutral. Another friend of mine in the Southern Maryland schools was being forced to give a verbal essay on a poem that went against her religion. She was afraid to stand up for her rights in school. I also told her to tell the teacher she wasn't going to do it, respectfully, and to allow her another assignment. The teached conceeded.. when pushed.

Therefore, another allie in all of this is would be the children themselves. Apparently they don't understand how the system works any more than their parents do, otherwise they wouldn't be making up these stories for the teachers and not standing up for their own rights. Maybe our new bedtime stories need to portray CPS as The Wicked Witch Of The West. Parents, stop sheilding yourselves... and therefore your children, from the truth. Use a little terror yourselves like when you tell your kids that if they go out into the street they're going to be squished. They need to be "scared straight".. though not by a year in foster care, or counseling.

I wonder what would happen if children stood up to CPS and told them they have no right to take them and then kicked them in the shin like any other kidnapper. We don't need guns; we need educated children and parents to do the educating.

The only problem with all of this is convincing parents that CPS abuse is really happening. Thanks to everyone for sharing the other abuse stories. There's probably more than we know. Hopefully anyone else reading these posts will come foreward and share also, but as mountain mama so explained with her story, parents are more apt to attempt to stay silent and go through whatever service plan CPS/D.S.S. crams down their throats to get their kids back.

Again, this is blackmail. Where in the U.S. Constitution does it say that parents must jump through hoops to raise their children? And what business is it of the government what goes on in the privacy of our own homes? One web site I read pointed out we wouldn't even have this problem if we all just simply walked away from public schooling. ( That is if your child is without a disablity or disease... Private care is still the best way to protect you and your child from CPS abuse. )

Parents have no one to blame but themselves in this mess though. They are the voters and they are the ones who allowed the system to get this powerful. I just recently read, ( trust me, guys, I'm too tired to look it up for you again ), where there's someone running for president/public office, ( or was? ), promising to abolish CPS. I don't know if I'd go that far; some sort of advocacy group has to be in place for the children who are really being abused, but his was called "The Children's Party", and I have to tell you I really liked that idea.

Maybe we should only elect people whom the system has already abused and exonerated. Then there won't be any more children falling through the cracks... You could trust your tax dollars with them. There's no way a parent who has been through this abuse would ever allow anything even near it happening un-necessarily to another child or family.. They would fight like a Bear for the best welfare of that child regardless what it turned out to be and they'd not do it for monetary purposes either.. They'd do it for free.... Heck, let's just make CPS and D.S.S. all voluntary. The Love of money really is, after all, the root of all evil...

 

[vraiblonde]

Had the meeting with the Theater Arts teacher and, I must say, it was very disappointing. By Tuesday (meeting day) I had calmed down a good bit and was thinking that maybe it was just poor judgement on her part, no big deal, poor timing, yadda yah. So I figured I'd go in, lodge a friendly concern, she'd say "I appreciate your concern" or something like that and that would be the end of it.

Well. I was about 5 mins early so I chatted with the Asst. Principal while I was waiting for the teacher. I expressed my concerns and the AP agreed that it was probably just poor timing, considering current events. Then Mrs. M. walks in.

Now I know her because my daughter used to be pally with her daughter. But she came in loaded for bear - defensive, aggressive, confrontational - which told me something. So I repeated what I told the AP, that I felt the play segment was inappropriate for a school venue, given current events and the divisiveness over them in our country. She replied that she didn't see anything wrong with it and that I was the only parent that complained. This made the AP frown a bit. I said, "I find that surprising." (Because that's what I've been taught to say instead of "You damned liar!")

Her: In the interest of tolerance and diversity, not to mention free speech, I allowed the students who wanted to do it make their statement.

Me: It was inappropriate for a school function.

Her: I don't have any control over the curriculum - we just got the play and did it like it was written.

Me: I was under the impression that the play was made up of several vignettes specifically so the teacher could pick and choose which ones to do.

Her: And I DID! We left out several of the parts. But the children wanted to do the poem so badly that I let them.

Me: That's interesting (another euphemism for "you damned liar") because I was under the impression that the majority of the students didn't want to do it.

Her: But there were a few that really wanted to do it so I didn't want to squelch their free speech.

Me: Free speech is wonderful but I feel that making a political statement at a school function is inappropriate. Certainly you can appreciate how it looked when the poem wasn't listed on the program, then was specifically introduced on it's own.

Her: I must have accidentally left it off the program. I'm a terrible typer. (I swear to God this is exactly what she said!)

And on and on it went for about 20 minutes. She kept making "surprising" statements, the AP is frowning her head off and I'd reply with "I find that surprising since..."

It was really disappointing because now it's obvious to me that she was pushing her anti-war liberal agenda. No more benefit of the doubt - she made it clear what was what. And it's also disappointing because all she had to say was "I appreciate your concerns and your taking the time to talk to me about them. There was no offense intended and I apologize that you were given that impression." and that would have put the ball back in my court to say "I'm sure it was just a misunderstanding." You'd think a teacher would be better at conflict management.

Anyway, I started feeling my blood pressure rise so I ended the meeting with "Thank you for giving me this opportunity to share my concerns with you." And she replied, "You're welcome."

So that's it and I'm not going to pursue it any further. There's a part of me that wants to but then, in the bigger scheme of things, what would I gain out of going ballistic? If I were a Liberal, I'd organize a protest and set fire to the school. But I'm not.

 

[SmallTown]

Originally posted by vraiblonde
If I were a Liberal, I'd organize a protest and set fire to the school. But I'm not.

Fitting. Ending a discussion about political issues by making a political statement!

Sorry, but I think her response to you was right in line. with my wife being from a line of teachers, I can say that if a teacher changed something everytime a parent came in to discuss issues, you would no longer have teachers in the classroom. You would just have little electrodes hooked up to the kids head, and drill in only what the parent feels should be said.

Interesting that months ago we had a discussion about teachers buckling under the pressure of parents, and it was bad. Now we have just the opposite, and that seems bad as well.

Regardless of your feelings about the subject, must admire the teacher (and yourself) for sticking to your guns and not backing down from your stance.

 

[ConcrndCitizen2]

If the schools aren't allowed to pick a religion to push over the rest, then why are they allowed to push one political view over another? I though personal opinion was just that, or is that all the school system teaches anymore : subjectivism ? Cool, then, relatively speaking, they can shove it up their universe... on their own time though. Let's just have the facts in school, please, so people can learn to make EDUCATED decisions... on what they too want to believe.

I'd have been standing behind you, vraiblonde, going : Yeah, what she said!

 

[vraiblonde]

Originally posted by SmallTown
I think her response to you was right in line.

I disagree. There's a way we resolve a conflict and being combative isn't it. I wasn't asking her to change the curriculum - I didn't even suggest it. All I was there for was to make her aware that I had a concern.

I don't admire her - I'm horrified by her. It's obvious she was using the kids to push her political views. That's wrong, regardless of whether she's a liberal or conservative. And she's a liar. In hindsight, I should have gone for her jugular instead of being diplomatic. Lesson learned.

Alex just reminded me to tell you another part of the conversation:

After Mrs. M told me that I was the only parent who complained (which I know is not true), she told me that she cut the song "Proud To Be An American" from the 8th grade graduation ceremony because "dozens" of parents called to complain. I said, "That surprises me that anyone was offended by that - certainly all the children ARE Americans." And she said, "Well, that would be a matter of opinion, wouldn't it?"

Now the fact is that ALL of the children that go to this middle-school ARE American citizens. We don't have a single exchange student, illegal immigrant, whatever. So I can only determine that it's the "proud" part that these "dozens" of parents supposedly have an issue with. We also live in a very conservative district - there are token Democrats but it's predominantly Republicans. So "I find it interesting" that "dozens" of parents would object to a patriotic song.

Anyway, she's a liar and doing political activism on MY dime with MY kid. So you, ST, can admire her all you want. I think she sucks.

 

[SmallTown]

Originally posted by ConcrndCitizen2
Let's just have the facts in school, please, so people can learn to make EDUCATED decisions... on what they too want to believe.

That is another interesting topic, facts. Some people on the right think religion should be part of school, while shunning the factual studies on topics such as evolution. But we can go into that one a little later, this is Vrai's thread

 

[SmallTown]

Vrai, I have to hand it to you. As much as we disagree on this topic, you haven't once made any personal attacks. Hopefully others can follow

But regardless of opinion, I hope you and your daughter find closure with this issue, one way or another.

 

[Sharon]

Originally posted by SmallTown
... the factual studies on topics such as evolution.

Get your facts straight, evolution is still a theory.

 

[Sharon]

Originally posted by cariblue
Is creationism a fact or theory?

Ask the big guy.

 

[vraiblonde]

Originally posted by SmallTown
Vrai, I have to hand it to you.

Thank you.

But regardless of opinion, I hope you and your daughter find closure with this issue, one way or another.

No closure to be had - I said my piece, my daughter wasn't harmed in any way and there you have it.

It's not like Alex is going to die of listening to Liberal hate-speech cheesy - she and her left-winger best girlfriend go round and round. On one hand, I like it that they're aware of current events. On the other, what kind of wonky 13 year olds sit and talk about that crap?

 

[vraiblonde]

Originally posted by bluto
My first instinct when I read about vrai's meeting was to post one word

There's a rule about these types of conversations - whoever raises their voice first or takes the first swing loses. Especially if the other person doesn't raise their voice or swing back. I could have raised hell and made myself look like an azz. Instead, I let her be the azz. Right in front of her frowning boss, too! So I got my complaint on the record in a civil manner and she made her boss frown.

 

[Sharon]

Originally posted by cariblue
I asked Speedo. He looked at me like I'm a dork or something.

 

[Shiggy]

Originally posted by cariblue
Is creationism a fact or theory?

Creationism is not a theory. One of the hallmarks of a "theory" is falsifiability. That is to say, it must be possible to design an experiment for which there exists a particular outcome that, if achieved, would show the theory false.

Creationism can't be proved false. Example: "See the fossil record? It conclusively shows the literal reading of Genesis to be bunk."

"Oh no it doesn't. God just created things to look like they're millions of years old. They're really only 6,000 years old. Just have faith, and ignore the evidence."

Basically, with creationism, any attempt I make to disprove it, all you have to say is "God made it appear that way as a test of faith." There's no way to disprove in. Of course, there's no way to disprove the notion that the universe was created five minutes ago by the Invisible Pink Unicorn, either, since the IPU has exactly the same qualities as god, apart from being pink. And a unicorn. Creationism is not a theory.

Also realize that in science, "theory" is really as high as you can go. Gravitation is really just a theory too. So is the physics that make airplanes fly and televisions work. They're all just theories. It's popular usage that has perverted "theory" from it's scientific meaning to being sort of a synonym for "guess" or "hypothesis."

But this is all way off topic.

 

[vraiblonde]

It has always been my understanding that a "theory" is something that hasn't been proven true, yet there is evidence that it may be. Using your definition, Santa Claus and the tooth fairy are fact, since you can't prove them to be false. That goes for just about everything else in the world, too.

Sorry - I'm not into that kind of thinking.

 

[SmallTown]

Originally posted by Sharon
Get your facts straight, evolution is still a theory.

Backed by much more evidence than a single book.
Of course, when people hear the word "evolution" their immediate rection is "I didn't come from a monkey!"
Looking at some people, I would have to say the jury is still out on that one. But aside from that, evolution is simple a change over a period of time which is very well documented in history. One common example of evolution is adaptation. People will often put this into a different category because they don't believe in evolution.

 

[Frank]

Originally posted by vraiblonde
It has always been my understanding that a "theory" is something that hasn't been proven true, yet there is evidence that it may be. Using your definition, Santa Claus and the tooth fairy are fact, since you can't prove them to be false. That goes for just about everything else in the world, too.

Sorry - I'm not into that kind of thinking.

That definition of theory is, unfortunately, the common misuse of the term. What you and most confuse it with, is hypothesis.

FACT: There are presents under the tree.
THEORY: Someone or something put it there.
HYPOTHESIS: It was a fat, jolly man named Santa Claus who brought them by flying reindeer.

FACT: Laci Peterson is dead.
THEORY: She was *killed* by someone or something. She's been dead for x number of days. She was cut up deliberately.
HYPOTHESIS: It was her husband.

Facts are just observations. It's 7am. It's 75 degrees. It's Friday. Those are facts.

Theories are almost as good as facts - they're observations based on facts. A good detective will observe "no evidence of forced entry" and so will conclude an intruder was permitted in. A coroner will look at a dead body - (fact-finding) - and conclude that death occurred by strangulation 6-10 hours earlier - (theory). As was mentioned - you can prove a theory wrong, but as observations corroborate, it holds the weight of fact.

A hypothesis IS exactly what most people use in place of "theory" but with a couple of provisos. It's just conjecture, usually used to predict the outcome of theory. A better description would be that it is a "testable question". IS the moon made of green cheese? IS the earth flat?

I read an article not long ago that said, science starts with theory, and gathers evidence and facts to support that theory. And that is not only bad science, it is NOT science. Science starts with facts. Then theory. Then hypothesis and experimentation. And so the theory strenghtens.

For example - Einstein did NOT prove Newton wrong - Newton's laws absolutely fit the observable facts at the time, and in most instances of everyday life on earth, they're true. Einstein was able to expand on the theory, because Newtonian physics is just a part of the picture.

Creationism unfortunately fails all of this. It's not science. It's religion. Moreover, it's basically Christian religion. It fails falsifiability. It fails the ability to be validated by experimentation. It fails to predict future observations. It fails to be based on any kind of observable fact. That is what science is. You may as well call it music or mathematics if you want to call it science.

I think if someone's religion departs from what is observed as science - it should be taught at home. If you're a Christian Scientist, I don't suppose you want to learn much about medicine at school. If you're a Jehovah's Witness, you probably don't like birthday celebrations at school. If you're a Mormon, you're probably not cool with the idea of Coca-Cola in machines in school. And to all - deal with it. Your beliefs are your own. If there's a class in school that teaches something against your religion - deal with it. School is not for proselytizing.