Black History Month 2008.

[JPC sr]

Deadbeat child support resister.

JPC, I'm posting this again because you never mentioned if you read it or not:

JPC,
Here is a link you need to check out: TorontoSun.com - World- 'We have to get wise' It shows clearly that slavery still exists today. Talk about injustice and apologies needing to be made!

Please let me know! Thank you!

I replied to your post already in my post #143 and to see it again then link HERE.

 

[JPC sr]

Deadbeat child support resister.

You never did answer - how is it you profitted from something that ended 150 years ago?

The white population has profited in every way available with no exceptions,

but the point is in the reality that the black population has been held down and shut out for those 300 years and that is a bigger issue for those of us concerned about the problem.

There is no real objection to the whites getting rich and powerful, but there is an objection to the whites getting it all be cheating, stealing and exploiting the minorities and the vulnerable.

 

[chernmax]

The white population has profited in every way available with no exceptions,

but the point is in the reality that the black population has been held down and shut out for those 300 years and that is a bigger issue for those of us concerned about the problem.

There is no real objection to the whites getting rich and powerful, but there is an objection to the whites getting it all be cheating, stealing and exploiting the minorities and the vulnerable.

Is that a stain on your shirt because I didn't hear a word of your rambling rhetoric...

 

[This_person]

The white population has profited in every way available with no exceptions, but the point is in the reality that the black population has been held down and shut out for those 300 years and that is a bigger issue for those of us concerned about the problem.

There is no real objection to the whites getting rich and powerful, but there is an objection to the whites getting it all be cheating, stealing and exploiting the minorities and the vulnerable.

You talk about privileged whites, and how whites profit, yet when asked to give an example, you can't. Do you realize that?

This ended 150 years ago. People of all colors have been discriminated against at one time or another, at one place or another. Yes, what was done in the 19th century and before was bad. It's the 21st century. The french toast I had for breakfast this morning, the job I have, the car I drive, the wonderful children I raised, etc., etc., did not in any way shape or form come from a process that was ended 50 years before my family arrived on the North American continent. I am proud of the Constitutiona nd the Declaration of Independance and landing on the moon (and say "we" accomplished those things) because I'm proud to be an American. When I say "we", I include all Americans - hyphenated or not. So, blacks accomplished these feats just like whites, and Chinese, and African, and Japanese, and every other American ancestry out there. "We" is inclusive, not exclusive - which is clearly the way you see it.

I have not profited from slavery in any way - any more than any other person I know. There are dark parts of American history for which I'm not proud, but I am proud we were smart and good enough to eventually stop it. And, you should be smart enough to realize we did this a long, long time ago. Whites are in no way more priviledged than any other race. Indeed, Affirmative Action laws make whites the only race currently discriminated against by law. Give it up.

 

[Mateo]

So that is saying he wants the entire black population to apologize for a few crimes against a few whites.

And that does NOT compare to the huge injustice done to the millions of black people by the vast majority of whites and is still lingering in our society today in the present.

The quote above is an example of why we need correct "white history" education to explain what racism is.

You ,bub , may feel guilty...guess what,,,this is America feel what you want for yourself....you just made my argument...and a lot of others...
For what a FEW white people did...READ FEW....you expect the majority of whites to "apologize"? Isn't that a little double standard when someone else calls for similar moves on the part of the black population ?
So lets see, by your convoluted logic...NOT.
Dude..you seriously need a session.

 

[Mateo]

You talk about privileged whites, and how whites profit, yet when asked to give an example, you can't. Do you realize that?

This ended 150 years ago. People of all colors have been discriminated against at one time or another, at one place or another. Yes, what was done in the 19th century and before was bad. It's the 21st century. The french toast I had for breakfast this morning, the job I have, the car I drive, the wonderful children I raised, etc., etc., did not in any way shape or form come from a process that was ended 50 years before my family arrived on the North American continent. I am proud of the Constitutiona nd the Declaration of Independance and landing on the moon (and say "we" accomplished those things) because I'm proud to be an American. When I say "we", I include all Americans - hyphenated or not. So, blacks accomplished these feats just like whites, and Chinese, and African, and Japanese, and every other American ancestry out there. "We" is inclusive, not exclusive - which is clearly the way you see it.

I have not profited from slavery in any way - any more than any other person I know. There are dark parts of American history for which I'm not proud, but I am proud we were smart and good enough to eventually stop it. And, you should be smart enough to realize we did this a long, long time ago. Whites are in no way more priviledged than any other race. Indeed, Affirmative Action laws make whites the only race currently discriminated against by law. Give it up.

ditto

 

[JPC sr]

Deadbeat child support resister.

You ,bub , may feel guilty...guess what,,,this is America feel what you want for yourself....you just made my argument...and a lot of others...
For what a FEW white people did...READ FEW....you expect the majority of whites to "apologize"? Isn't that a little double standard when someone else calls for similar moves on the part of the black population ?
So lets see, by your convoluted logic...NOT.
Dude..you seriously need a session.

I really do not feel the guilt since I confess it and I make apology and try to make amends then I see the guilt of others that deny their part while I appear to be very liberated on the issue.

It is when people hide and deny their guilt is when they feel guilty and strike out in defense of the indefensible.

You are trying to equate the crimes of a few black people with the huge racist action of the vast majority of the white population.

And even if a few whites might have some claim that their distant relatives might have some how been separated from the racial bigotry then I still say we all share the guilt of our bretheren.

It is like the present day crimes committed by the Bush administration and many of us do not agree with the Bush crimes but we all Americans still share in his guilt whether we like it or not.

Claiming a few black crimes is the whole justification for all the white racism is absurd.

 

[crabcake]

Actually factually what you say is the reason for having Black History and Black TV and etc., because the African Americans wanted and deserved equal time with the whites.

As things turned out prior to that then the whites only had white TV and white music and white history and all other people were excluded and left out.

So since the whites already had their segregated observances and events then to give any semblance of equality then we have to give the same observances to the African Americans.

What gets to me is when "Crabs" here and other privledged whites act like it is a competition instead of the claim for equality that it is.

That is very true, and it is very easy to understand - white racism is the root of the problem.

That is completely sensible and logical indeed.

There is a double standard and quit denying it.

We have the one side of white racist and the other side recieving the white racism - double standard of bigotry.

I do see that your kind likes to hang people as a way of making your side "right", but it makes you more wrong.

White people are invited and some of us do attend or support the efforts in other ways.

It is an evil to white-wash lingering injustices.

That must be easy to say when you are on the side that inflicts the wounds.

Those that recieved the hateful wounds from your kind - do not agree.

Perhaps it affected mine with the votes of your kind and that is okay by me.

But it might have helped to serve for the Barack Obama(D) campaign, and I certainly do hope so.

"YOUR KIND"? For a person who's never met me, it sure is awful prejudicial to make references to "my kind". Certainly not the kind of person anyone wants in office, and I'm sure even Obama's campaign representatives will laugh your ass back out the door if they see you coming.

This discussion is a waste of time because you are nothing more than a nonsensical, contradictory, unethical, immoral piece of washed up political-wannabe-has-been garbage who will only come as close to holding "political office" when he's given a job scrubbing toilets in a government building ... IF you're that lucky!

 

[Mateo]

I really do not feel the guilt since I confess it and I make apology and try to make amends then I see the guilt of others that deny their part while I appear to be very liberated on the issue.

It is when people hide and deny their guilt is when they feel guilty and strike out in defense of the indefensible.

You are trying to equate the crimes of a few black people with the huge racist action of the vast majority of the white population.

And even if a few whites might have some claim that their distant relatives might have some how been separated from the racial bigotry then I still say we all share the guilt of our bretheren.

It is like the present day crimes committed by the Bush administration and many of us do not agree with the Bush crimes but we all Americans still share in his guilt whether we like it or not.

Claiming a few black crimes is the whole justification for all the white racism is absurd.

I will say one thing about you...you are consistently absurd.
You words back on each other, as you claim that a few "white " crimes are justifiable for the black crimes perpetrated on others. Are you going to ask the blacks to apologize for the ones committed on their own. Come on...do a little fair play here.
Since this is your rant on apologies, do something useful..lobby on the part of the remaining Hawaiians , who did have a sovereign status with their own royalty.....or the real native americans, who have an even more legit greivance. Are you going to demand the railroads fully compensate as well apologize to the CHinese, who were a component in the many that built the railroads ? Better yet, get a job like everyone else.
No you won't because you, despite you being a white man, wants to make everyone else share in your individual guilt. That is fine as long as you make it clear to everyone else that this is YOURS and YOURS Alone...that is fine, that is your right.
If you feel good calling me a racist...go ahead. As it says in that country song" Here' a quarter...give someone a call who gives a damn"
WHOOSH to you.

 

[RadioPatrol]

THE BLACK PANTHER
April 27, 1969. Page 14.

"STATEMENT BY THE CENTRAL COMMITTEE OF THE BLACK PANTHER PARTY"

Twenty one New York Black Panther Party members busted by pig power structure. Statement from the Black Panther Party Central Committee at National Headquarters, Oakland, California, delivered by the Deputy Chairman, David Brothers of the New York State Black Panther Party Central Staff.

Historically, all REACTIONARY forces (the pig power structure and their "cultural" Black capitalist lackeys) on the verge of EXTINCTION invariably conduct a last desperate struggle against the revolutionary forces (all workers, the unemployed, Mexicans, Indians, Puerto Ricans, poor whites, et. al., but especially poor black and oppressed peoples and their vanguard, the Black Panther Party. And some revolutionaries are apt to be deluded for a time by this phenomenon of outward strength but inner weakness, failing to grasp the essential fact that the enemy is nearing extinction while they themselves (the revolutionary peoples) are nearing victory. (Mao's little Red Book, page 83)

TWO MILLION ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS BAIL AND THE CHARGES AGAINST THE 21 BLACK PANTHER PARTY MEMBERS IS ABSURD AND OUTRAGEOUS. Concerning the charges, every Black Panther Party chapter and leadership knows that we would not waste dynamite on the blowing up of some jive railway stations and department stores simply because some of our own poor people would be killed and we know this is completely wrong when it comes to organizing the people against the demagogue politicians, the avaricious businessmen, and the racist pig police forces. They are the enemies of the people of America, be they white, brown, black, yellow or red.

We will not try to fight fire with fire because all of the people that FIRE is best put out with WATER. Therefore, the Black Panther Party will not fight racism with racism. But we will fight racism with solidarity. We will not fight capitalism with capitalism (Black capitalism), but with the implementation of socialism and socialist programs for the people. We will not fight U.S. government imperialism with more imperialism because the peoples of the world and other races, especially in America, must fight imperialism with proletarian internationalism. All peoples and revolutionaries must defend themselves with organized guns and force when attacked by the PIG POWER STRUCTURE.

"The socialist system will eventually replace the capitalist-racist system; this is an objective law independent of man's will. However much the reactionaries try to hold back the wheel of history, sooner or later revolution will take place and will inevitably triumph." (Mao's little Red Book, page 24)

The Black Panther Party is informing and calling on all the peoples of the communities across the country to SCORN and DENOUNCE the actions of this capitalist-racist government's attempts to try and destroy the Black Panther Party which has chapters and branches across the nation. SCORN, DENOUNCE, and DESTROY the lies by capitalists and racists, from the Nixons, the Rockefellers, and all their pig lackeys, to the bootlicking cultural nationalists and black capitalists. They are the real conspirators where we see their obvious attempts to destroy the Black Panther Party's revolutionary leadership. They, of course, try to do this by murders, jailings, unfair court trials, the forcing of Eldridge Cleaver into exile, and the temporary imprisonment of the Minister of Defense, Huey P. Newton in California. FREE HUEY. THE REVOLUTION IS HERE. We the people of the world must FREE HUEY AND ALL POLITICAL PRISONERS because if it wasn't for Huey P. Newton, free BREAKFAST FOR CHILDREN programs before school would not be spreading across the nation. If it wasn't for Huey P. Newton, the idea of having free medicine and FREE HEALTH CLINICS wouldn't be in the process of being implemented. If it wasn't for Huey P. Newton, the teaching that "it's not a race struggle, but a class struggle" would not begin to be understood. IF IT WASN'T FOR HUEY P. NEWTON, THE TEN POINT PLATFORM AND PROGRAM OF TH EBLACK PANTHER PARTY WOULD NOT BE IN THE PROCESS OF BEING IMPLEMENTED, PRACTICAL SOCIALIST PROGRAMS FROM THE BLACK NATION IS WHERE IT'S AT, WHEN EVEN OTHER ETHNIC GROUPS COPY IT, AND THE PEOPLES OF THE WORLD KNOW THIS IS THEIR AND THAT IT'S RIGHT.

THE NEW YORK BLACK PANTHER PARTY 21 MUST BE SET FREE AS HUEY P. NEWTON MUST BE SET FREE. THEY, AND ALL OTHER POLITICAL PRISONERS, MUST RECEIVE THE PEOPLE'S SUPPORT AS A NATIONAL RESISTANCE AGAINST THE PIG POWER STRUCTURE WHICH IS IMPERIALISTIC, CAPITALISTIC AND RACIST.

A NATION-WIDE CAMPAIGN IS NOW IN THE PROCESS OF BEING WAGED TO PUT TOGETHER A "FREE POLITICAL PRISONERS FOR THE PEOPLE'S REVOLUTIONARY STRUGGLE." THE NEW YORK BLACK PANTHER PARTY 21 MUST BE SET FREE. BAIL MONEY IS NEEDED FOR THE 21, HUEY P. NEWTON, ELDRIDGE CLEAVER, AND "THE CONSPIRACY 8" OF CHICAGO, WITH BOBBY SEALE, BLACK PANTHER PARTY CHAIRMAN. DONATIONS MAY BE SENT TO:

LEGAL DEFENSE FUND
BLACK PANTHER PARTY
BOX 1224

POWER TO ALL THE PEOPLE
PANTHER POWER TO THE VANGUARD

Gee an awful lot of Marxist / Socialist / communist drivel there JPC ..... maybe the black panthers were funded by the KGB, like so make leftist antiwar groups in the 60's

 

[RadioPatrol]

Organized Crime - Crips And Bloods: Black American Gangs In Los Angeles

Throughout the twentieth century, two distinct periods of black American gang formation occurred in Los Angeles. The first was in the early 1940s until 1965, the second from 1970 continuing into the early 2000s. Between the early 1970s and 2000 black American street gangs steadily increased in numbers and membership.

During World War II, large numbers of black Americans migrated from the southern United States to Los Angeles for employment in the war industries, chiefly building aircraft. All-black communities in the central part of Los Angeles expanded. The first black gangs developed in the second half of the 1940s and 1950s in defense from white teenage gangs determined to attack and harass black youth.

Members of the Crips and Bloods gangs stand together in Los Angeles, California. (AP/Wide World Photos)

By 1960 the black areas of central Los Angeles—Watts, Central Avenue, and West Adams—had grown together. Whites increasingly moved to the suburbs leaving the area predominately black. The interracial violence among black and white gangs turned into black versus black gangs. The western areas of the black communities were economically better off than the eastern half, so eastside gangs resented westside youths and fought west gangs. Most scuffles were hand-to-hand fights or with knives and tire irons. Murders rarely occurred. In 1960 only six gang-related murders occurred in all of Los Angeles County.

In 1965 poverty, unemployment, harsh Los Angeles police treatment of black Americans, and continuing discrimination boiled over into the Watts race riots the summer of 1965, when the police used batons on two black men being arrested. After the riots, the Watts community directed its youth into local clubs, looking for solutions to social injustices including police brutality. In 1965 the Civil Rights movement was gathering strength in Los Angeles. To lend support to civil rights activism, the Black Panther Party, a powerful black political organization, opened a chapter in central Los Angeles.

Viewed as a threat to the security of the nation, the FBI targeted the Panthers and other black organizations. The Los Angeles Panthers were greatly weakened and their political leadership dismantled. By 1970 Los Angeles youth had lost the adult leadership that had kept them working on community issues. Filling the void was a new gang organization period.

In 1969 fifteen-year-old Raymond Washington, a high school student of central Los Angeles, and a few friends formed a gang patterned after a 1960s gang called the Avenues. They named their gang the Baby Avenues and sometimes called themselves the Avenue Cribs, a reference to their young ages. The Cribs wore black leather jackets, earrings in their left ear, and often walked with canes. Before long, stealing and assaulting became the gang's chief activities.

Because of the canes used by gang members, a Los Angeles newspaper reporting on an assault called them the "Crips" for cripples. The Cribs latched onto the name Crips because a slang word crippin' meant robbing and stealing. Gang members lived the crippin' way of life, often stealing black leather jackets. The desire to obtain black leather jackets led to the first Crips murder in 1972. Crips attacked and murdered a sixteen-year-old Los Angeles high school student, a nongang youth and son of an attorney, for the leather jacket he was wearing. The murder, in addition to continuing Crips attacks, received sensational media coverage. To youth living in poverty, the gangs seemed to be a way to attract attention and through gang activity a way to prove manliness and power over others. More and more poor black youths joined Crips.

South Los Angeles schools were soon filled with gang fights and shootings. By the end of 1972 there were eight Crip gangs and ten others, which were responsible for twenty-nine gang-related murders. The Crips and other gangs were rivals, though the Crips outnumbered the others and constantly terrorized them. As a result, the non-Crips met on Piru Street in Compton and formed an alliance that became known as the Bloods. Los Angeles County reported thirty thousand gang members and 355 deaths in 1980.

By 1996 twenty-one communities in Los Angeles County had 274 gangs. Six communities—Los Angeles, Compton, Athens, Inglewood, Carson, and Long Beach—had 225 of the 274 gangs. The gangs were highly structured and focused on making money much like the American Mafia. The business of choice was drugs. By the 1990s the Los Angeles gang epidemic had expanded into urban areas along the West Coast and across the nation. Many of the gangs were extensions of the Bloods and Crips. Wherever unemployment, poverty, and racism existed, gangs could attract members.

Citing this material

Please include a link to this page if you have found this material useful for research or writing a related article. Content on this website is from high-quality, commercially published books available in print form, so you can be sure you're always reading unbiased, factual, and accurate information.

Highlight the text below, right-click, and select “copy”. Paste the link into your website, email, or any other HTML document.

 

[hvp05]

I really do not feel the guilt since I confess it and I make apology and try to make amends

Really? How do you accomplish that?

Once again you have managed to stupify and disgust by claiming that you are willing to accept responsibility for something you were never involved in, but you have admitted that you are/were not sorry for the pain you caused your own family. Speaking of which...

It is when people hide and deny their guilt is when they feel guilty and strike out in defense of the indefensible.

That sounds like some of your sub-conscious spilling out. This could very well explain why you have repeatedly mounted hopeless, abysmal attacks on certain parties. Even though you know your failure to be imminent, you must find a way to deal with your guilt, so you redirect it outwards at the government, women, et al.


Of course, you are not the subject of this thread, so let me ask if you know all the other important things that are celebrated this month. February is also...
* Canadian History Month
* National Sweet Potato Month
* National Boost-Your-Self-Esteem Month
* National Canned Food Month
* National Hot Breakfast Month
* National Snack Food Month
* Berry Fresh in the Sunshine State Month
* National Dental Month
* Return Shopping Carts to the Supermarket Month
* Chocolate Lover's Month
* Bake for Family Fun Month
* Great American Pies Month
* North Carolina Sweet Potato Month
* National Grapefruit Month
* National Cherry Month
* National Bird Feeding Month
* American History Month
* Creative Romance Month
* Human Relations Month
* AMD/Low Vision Awareness Month
* American Heart Month
* National Children’s Dental Health Month
* National Wise Health Consumer Month
* Prenatal Infection Prevention Month
* Native American Heritage Month
(According to Wikipedia)

Great American Pie Month... finally something I can believe in!

 

[JPC sr]

Deadbeat child support resister.

April 27, 1969 Black Panthers.

Gee an awful lot of Marxist / Socialist / communist drivel there JPC ..... maybe the black panthers were funded by the KGB, like so make leftist antiwar groups in the 60's

Organized Crime - Crips And Bloods: Black American Gangs In Los Angeles

Well at least these are both parts of black history for :

Black History Month, so cheers to "RP".

 

[RadioPatrol]

Yes let us celebrate the Crips and the Bloods ...... and Black Urban Gang Violence ..........

 

[JPC sr]

Deadbeat child support resister.

Let's hear your apology first and your ammendment proposal. Lead by example why don't you?

I say for "Black History Month" we could take movies like "Gone with the Wind" and change its name to "Gone down the Sewer" and put it's subtitle some thing like "Down the sewer where it rightly belongs."

And of course I mean the "Gone" part and not just the movie.

 

[This_person]

I say for "Black History Month" we could take movies like "Gone with the Wind" and change its name to "Gone down the Sewer" and put it's subtitle some thing like "Down the sewer where it rightly belongs."

And of course I mean the "Gone" part and not just the movie.

You would have us deny our history as a means of apology? How about if we acknowledge the wrongs, stop them, then institute laws to both prohibit those actions from occuring again and to give an advantage to those who suffered the disadvantage?

Oh, wait, we did that.

 

[JPC sr]

Deadbeat child support resister.

You would have us deny our history as a means of apology? How about if we acknowledge the wrongs, stop them, then institute laws to both prohibit those actions from occuring again and to give an advantage to those who suffered the disadvantage?

Oh, wait, we did that.

It is not denying history - it is correcting history.

We need to stop glamorizing the racist bigotries and show the truth.

 

[This_person]

It is not denying history - it is correcting history.

We need to stop glamorizing the racist bigotries and show the truth.

What was untrue in "Gone with the Wind"?

What is untrue about the rest of my post? Or, will you ignore the realities once again?

 

[JPC sr]

Deadbeat child support resister.

What was untrue in "Gone with the Wind"?

What is untrue about the rest of my post? Or, will you ignore the realities once again?

I told already - It is gone down the sewer where it belongs and it did not go with the "wind."

It was the U.S. military that destroyed the racist social structure and not the "wind".

It was righteousness against ignorance that sent it down the sewer where it belonged. Duh.

And the rest of your whiteous claims are meaningless.

 

[This_person]

I told already - It is gone down the sewer where it belongs and it did not go with the "wind."

It was the U.S. military that destroyed the racist social structure and not the "wind".

It was righteousness against ignorance that sent it down the sewer where it belonged. Duh.

And the rest of your whiteous claims are meaningless.

Perhaps you just don't understand the phrase and the origins of it .

What about the reality of the rest of what I said do you find meaningless? What do you dispute?