BREAKING NEWS: Scooter Libby verdict about to be announced

[Pete]

Armitedge for being a weasel or Scooter for CYA'ing?

If you mean Libby, look at where we are now; still no definitive, stand up and make the front page declaration that there was no law broken. I don't think he or anyone knew, fact certain, what Plame's status was going to viewed as. Certainly, with all the talking about this there had to be a decision on his part to tread carefully and fudge what he knew and when.

If that's reason for jail in politics, we need more jail space.

Being a weasel is not against the law, lying to a Grand Jury when under oath is. :shrug:

You will never see a declaration it was a non crime either. The left wont because they painted the story as "Bad GOP outing poor hot CIA chick as payback" and the public bought it. It died on the vine and this trial took it's place but in the minds of most Libby will be the one who outed Plame, a deep cover covert field spy, protecting America from Evil."

 

[Otter]

You mean, "it was just about sex"?

:dingdingding:

 

[Larry Gude]

I'm not sure...

Being a weasel is not against the law, lying to a Grand Jury when under oath is. :shrug:

You will never see a declaration it was a non crime either. The left wont because they painted the story as "Bad GOP outing poor hot CIA chick as payback" and the public bought it. It died on the vine and this trial took it's place but in the minds of most Libby will be the one who outed Plame, a deep cover covert field spy, protecting America from Evil."

...ol' Scoot lied to the grand jury. I thought he just lied to the FBI. And perjured a tad. And didn't tell the whole truth on an occasion or two?

 

[Larry Gude]

There yah go...

:dingdingding:

...if Scooter had just said "Look, we were just trying to #### Joe Wilson for trying to #### us. That's OK, ain't it?" ...all would have been well.

 

[SamSpade]

Ok, Drudge has some juror saying "we wish we didn't have to judge Scooter ... where was Rove?".

Is there something in this story I'm not getting? What exactly did Rove do that always makes him a lightning rod?

 

[Otter]

Ok, Drudge has some juror saying "we wish we didn't have to judge Scooter ... where was Rove?".

Is there something in this story I'm not getting? What exactly did Rove do that always makes him a lightning rod?

That was the ex-WaPo reporter, Dennis Collins(I think)

 

[PsyOps]

...COVERT AGENT OUTED IN THIS MATTER.

That's what's really puzzling. Once they determined Plame wasn't never exposed (at least in the way being portrayed) I thought they would have dropped the charges against Libby. It seems another case of witch hunt to take Bush down since Libby pointed to the WH. But, I'm a lot like Vrai where the facts on this are so far-reaching AND sketchy that I can't make ends of it. All I know is he lied about conversations he had with certain media people and some of the details of those conversations. But the finger NEVER pointed toward Libby that he was the source of outing Plame.

 

[Otter]

But the finger NEVER pointed toward Libby that he was the source of outing Plame.

Thats secondary and immaterial to the whole indictment. He lied to gov. agents who were investigating the non- outing of Plame.

 

[Larry Gude]

Right...

...the finger NEVER pointed toward Libby that he was the source of outing Plame.

...the trial wasn't about Plame, at all.

Scooter, apparently, beyond a reasonable doubt, lied to investigators about what he knew and when he knew it.

 

[PsyOps]

Thats secondary and immaterial to the whole indictment. He lied to gov. agents who were investigating the non- outing of Plame.

Well, I fail to know how you lie about something that never happened.

 

[Otter]

I cede the floor to the esteemed Mr Gude.

 

[ylexot]

What exactly did Rove do that always makes him a lightning rod?

He's the Republican strategist that helped get Bush elected. The left thinks that if he's gone, they might be able to win. Personally, I think Rove isn't all that...but the Dem strategists are

 

[PsyOps]

...the trial wasn't about Plame, at all.

Scooter, apparently, beyond a reasonable doubt, lied to investigators about what he knew and when he knew it.

What he knew about what didn't happen? I got a headache.

 

[Larry Gude]

You beat me to it...

I cede the floor to the esteemed Mr Gude.

So, after you!

 

[Bustem' Down]

Well, I fail to know how you lie about something that never happened.

I could tell an investigation that GW Bush was seen commiting homosexual acts on Dick Cheney. I would be lying, and I'm pretty sure that never happened, and if it were an investigation on ethics or something like that, I could be brought up on making a false official statement.

 

[PsyOps]

I could tell an investigation that GW Bush was seen commiting homosexual acts on Dick Cheney. I would be lying, and I'm pretty sure that never happened, and if it were an investigation on ethics or something like that, I could be brought up on making a false official statement.

Libby did not make a false statement or accusation against someone, as in your example. So your example doesn't fit these circumstances.

To be accused of purjury one had to have misled investigators or the court in the matter at hand. Lying about something just to be lying is not purjury. The matter at hand was leaking classified information (in this case outing a CIA Operative). It turns out this never happened thus making whatever lies Libby told moot and no one was led astray about something that never happened. Once they determined the the Plame thing never happened, the charges should have been dropped.

 

[Larry Gude]

Nobody knew...

What he knew about what didn't happen? I got a headache.

...if they were talking about a covert agent or not, not for sure.

So, everyone tread lightly.

What should scare the hell out of everyone, especially a Clinton running for the Whitehouse, is that no one is saying "Scooter told me this, which is a lie."

It's stuff like Scooter saying he first heard Plame's name from Russert who says "No, I didn't bring her name up, he did."

Then piecing together that Libby talked to Cheney about Plame a month before he talked to Russert.

And then, when confronted with this, Russert's denial and the date inconsistency, Libby argued that he forgot and had his dates mixed up.

Libby's counsel apparently has pointed out numerous changed stories on the part of others.

Certainly, at some point, Fitzgerald said "You're ####ing with me and I think there is enough evidence to got to trial on."

Imagine the standard this will bring to bare on official conduct. Think back to Hillary and the Rose law firm records 'mysteriously' showing up next to a lamp in the WH residence, after a subpoena had been threatened.

"Mrs. Clinton, how did those records just reappear?"

"Why, Senator, I have no earthly idea."

It's one of those "That's a lie and everyone knows it, but how do you prove it' things.

Fitz had enough pieces to tell a story and the jury agreed.

 

[SamSpade]

It turns out this never happened thus making whatever lies Libby told moot and no one was led astray about something that never happened. Once they determined the the Plame thing never happened, the charges should have been dropped.

Maybe that will be the basis for an appeal. He's still screwed, but maybe he won't see jail.

 

[Pete]

The DU guys are very excited about this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2757059

those people are demented.

 

[PsyOps]

...if they were talking about a covert agent or not, not for sure.

So, everyone tread lightly.

What should scare the hell out of everyone, especially a Clinton running for the Whitehouse, is that no one is saying "Scooter told me this, which is a lie."

It's stuff like Scooter saying he first heard Plame's name from Russert who says "No, I didn't bring her name up, he did."

Then piecing together that Libby talked to Cheney about Plame a month before he talked to Russert.

And then, when confronted with this, Russert's denial and the date inconsistency, Libby argued that he forgot and had his dates mixed up.

Libby's counsel apparently has pointed out numerous changed stories on the part of others.

Certainly, at some point, Fitzgerald said "You're ####ing with me and I think there is enough evidence to got to trial on."

Imagine the standard this will bring to bare on official conduct. Think back to Hillary and the Rose law firm records 'mysteriously' showing up next to a lamp in the WH residence, after a subpoena had been threatened.

"Mrs. Clinton, how did those records just reappear?"

"Why, Senator, I have no earthly idea."

It's one of those "That's a lie and everyone knows it, but how do you prove it' things.

Fitz had enough pieces to tell a story and the jury agreed.

Well, it's apparent the jury didn't buy the "I forgot" excuse. Something still makes me think this whole thing is nothing more than anti-Bush politics. We already know how corrupt and broken our court systems are anyway.