Breeding my doxie! Help!!!

tes218

tes218

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cattitude said:
But they're a large part of the problem, especially when they pump out puppies every heat cycle and continue to breed their animals that they know have genetic defects. There's certainly enough media coverage of late to make people wary of buying from a puppy mill but a smaller BYB is often thought to be reputable by unsuspecting purchasers. Often these BYB breeders do not have knowledge about the health issues, etc. Unless you are breeding to BETTER the breed, it really doesn't matter the scale of your operation.

Regarding the Amish/Mennonites, as long as people buy their cute little puppies, they'll continue to "make" them.
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:burning:Saw a lady with a horse trailer sitting along Rt. 5 across from the farmer's market last night. She had a pen of what looked like St. Bernard pups. They're getting rather large now so I wonder how long she'll keep them before they all end up in the shelter.
 
itsbob

itsbob

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tes218 said:
:burning:Saw a lady with a horse trailer sitting along Rt. 5 across from the farmer's market last night. She had a pen of what looked like St. Bernard pups. They're getting rather large now so I wonder how long she'll keep them before they all end up in the shelter.
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If they are Amish or Mennonite would they end up in a shelter?

I figured they'd handle their own 'problems' and not ask someone else to find a 'solution' for them.
 
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stylin

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happyappygirl said:
It is NOT my responsibility or obligation to rescue those that are not on this earth because of me. All i can do is make d@mn sure nothing i bred EVER ends up in that situation by being responsible for them cradle to grave, in writing, and through follow up, which i have done for 30 years. That's my contribution as responsible breeder. First Do No Harm.

It's not the owners with one or two females who are the problem (ie the back yard breeders). It's the peeps who have a barn full, of which there are many around here. The Amish and Menonite look at dogs as a cash crop like cattle, goats or sheep only smaller and more prolific. Quick easy untrackable cash money.

AND with Doxies' especially this one, the Dapple gene must be considered since she has blue eyes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Doubling up on it causes MAJOR health issues.
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I would love to speak with you more about that. I did got all of his papers, parents not dapple so wondering about this gene. If it is dangerous then no I would rather not breed, but if not, I will do that and WILL follow up as you do..
 
cattitude

cattitude

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stylin said:
I would love to speak with you more about that. I did got all of his papers, parents not dapple so wondering about this gene. If it is dangerous then no I would rather not breed, but if not, I will do that and WILL follow up as you do..
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That's what the weird thing is...where the blue eyes came from.
 
Cowgirl

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stylin said:
I would love to speak with you more about that. I did got all of his papers, parents not dapple so wondering about this gene. If it is dangerous then no I would rather not breed, but if not, I will do that and WILL follow up as you do..
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If you insist on breeding, it would be a good idea to talk to the breeder you got him from and find out everything about the parents' genes. If they don't know about his parents, then it's not smart to breed him (not that it's smart either way). Are you going to keep all of the puppies if they have some genetic defect?

Regardless, it sounds like you need to get much more SPECIFIC information about the genetics of this breed before you even consider breeding.
 
cattitude

cattitude

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Cowgirl said:
I took 30 seconds and did a google search and came up with this:



Link

I'm sure I can find a more reliable source.
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Right, I'd posted something similar earlier in this thread. If there's no dapple, then where'd the blue eyes come from...a Husky around the corner? :lol:
 
Cowgirl

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Another quote from the above link:

My cream Charlie is a dapple, he was born with spots, as he became older it has become harder to see his dappling. He produces dapples puppies. His sire was a beautiful red. He was sold to me as a solid, since he produced dapples we soon learned he was a dapple not a solid. . Most breeders can tell at birth that they have dapples. So please keep this is mind it one parent is a dapple and the puppies have spots when they are born, that puppy or puppies are dapple, even if they fade with time.
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Cowgirl

Cowgirl

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cattitude said:
Right, I'd posted something similar earlier in this thread. If there's no dapple, then where'd the blue eyes come from...a Husky around the corner? :lol:
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Maybe he's speshial. :killingme He's the one dachshund on earth that is solid with blue eyes. :killingme
 
happyappygirl

happyappygirl

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stylin said:
I would love to speak with you more about that. I did got all of his papers, parents not dapple so wondering about this gene. If it is dangerous then no I would rather not breed, but if not, I will do that and WILL follow up as you do..
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i wouldn't do you any good, i don't know doxie specifics. Busterduck on these forums does, and has done a lot of research into them. If you really want good sound advice email her.

i do know one has to be a dapple to produce a dapple, and the doxie peeps would rather see the dappled ones eliminated from the gene pool entirely, because it is hidden and because many breeders sell pups even born as dappled who turn solid, as solids (like yours did). The doubled gene (homozygous) causes such devastating health effects when it's inadvertently doubled up on. My response would be to begin color genetic testing for it, then make good sound breeding decisions (like some of us do in Rockies). There are markers.

Cattitude you are right, some peeps do what you're talking about, and unfortunately you can't make a difference no matter how hard you try to educate. :frown: But some do change their philosophy once someone takes the time to educate them. You just can't tell the difference between the two at first. Our saying is Don't Alienate Educate.

Moving here was a complete culture shock for me when realized the vast number of peeps using dogs as the cash crop. :faint:
 
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tes218

tes218

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itsbob said:
If they are Amish or Mennonite would they end up in a shelter?

I figured they'd handle their own 'problems' and not ask someone else to find a 'solution' for them.
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This lady was not Amish or Mennonite and even if they were, yes, their dogs do end up in the shelters sometimes. Spoke with an Amish family a few years ago and asked what would happen with the pups that were left at the end of their time there on Saturday and was told they would then be taken to the shelter. I've seen some being dropped off after seeing them at the market. Usually they have someone else drive them in a truck and that person takes them in while they stay in the truck.
 
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stylin

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happyappygirl said:
i wouldn't do you any good, i don't know doxie specifics. Busterduck on these forums does, and has done a lot of research into them. If you really want good sound advice email her.

i do know one has to be a dapple to produce a dapple, and the doxie peeps would rather see the dappled ones eliminated from the gene pool entirely, because it is hidden and because many breeders sell pups even born as dappled who turn solid, as solids (like yours did). The doubled gene (homozygous) causes such devastating health effects when it's inadvertently doubled up on. My response would be to begin color genetic testing for it, then make good sound breeding decisions (like some of us do in Rockies). There are markers.

Cattitude you are right, some peeps do what you're talking about, and unfortunately you can't make a difference no matter how hard you try to educate. :frown: But some do change their philosophy once someone takes the time to educate them. You just can't tell the difference between the two at first. Our saying is Don't Alienate Educate.

Moving here was a complete culture shock for me when realized the vast number of peeps using dogs as the cash crop. :faint:
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Thank you for all of the advice. It looks like (after doing a lot of research) I will not be breeding my dog. I will also be getting pet insurance, just in case. I love the dog and the genetics he may have will put a strain on him. Very sad that someone would breed his parents. He is a family member now and has an appt to get the gonads off. Thank you for your POSITIVE advice. Too bad others just shot me down instead of really educating, at least a bit.

As far as Cowgirl...see you soon.
 
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Inkpen

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Geek said:
No. Don't do it. The world needs less dogs, not more. Get him neutered and be a responsible, thoughtful human being. Rescue a dog from a shelter instead of making more dogs.

Pimp out your own genitals not your dogs.
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Yea...what Geek said!!!!:buddies:

Unless your Doxi is equal to or excedes AKC standards, and has won at many shows...dont toss his DNA into the gene pool to muck it up.
And your vet is just a vet, not an AKC Doxi expert!!!!!

Get his balls removed and you will have a happy boy!!!
 
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