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This_person

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:bs: :liar:

If you make that much money, you could easily adopt a couple of these unwanted babies and care for them since other people, who didn't have an abortion, gave them up because they are incapable of raising a kid.
Babies are in great demand. If these people are willing to give up their child for adoption, there are a hell of a lot of people out there willing to take them whether I exist and take them or not.

Again, your accusation has nothing to do with reality.
 

Merlin99

Visualize whirled peas
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No, that's not the logical extension of what I'm saying at all.

To believe it's not okay to kill a child does not mean you have to have a child. To believe in gun rights does not mean you have to have a gun.

But, if I understand what you're saying, being pro-choice is merely choosing between whether the government should be involved in deciding whether it's okay to kill a baby or not (the choice here is being told you can't do something, or choosing not to do something). Does that extend to killing the baby six months after birth, just like six months before birth?
No, at this point you have two people in two individual bodies that can survive independantly.
 

This_person

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No, at this point you have two people in two individual bodies that can survive independantly.
So, you see no responsibility of the mother and father to the child until it's born? It is a completely separate individual human that's just voluntarily placed in the mother's body until birth, because that's how we're designed to procreate, how we're designed to nurture the life until it's capable of being out on its own.
 
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Beaver-Cleaver

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Do you have a specific comment on something I stated?

You say people should think about this stuff before they have sex (like it's always that simple:sarcasm:).

Not everybody is as perfect and almighty as you and I commend you oh wise, perfect, all-knowing one :notworthy

Some of these teenage girls are too young to think their actions through.

Maybe we should write a law banning children under 16 from having sex... oh, wait a minute... :ohwell:

There are cases of rape... maybe we should ban rap.... oh, wait a minute. :ohwell:

We should also ban "date-rape" ... oh, nevermind. :ohwell:

Oh, I know now... I've got the answer :jet:

Ban sex! :jet: That should do the trick. :sarcasm:
 

This_person

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You say people should think about this stuff before they have sex (like it's always that simple:sarcasm:).

Not everybody is as perfect and almighty as you and I commend you oh wise, perfect, all-knowing one :notworthy

Some of these teenage girls are too young to think their actions through.

Maybe we should write a law banning children under 16 from having sex... oh, wait a minute... :ohwell:

There are cases of rape... maybe we should ban rap.... oh, wait a minute. :ohwell:

We should also ban "date-rape" ... oh, nevermind. :ohwell:

Oh, I know now... I've got the answer :jet:

Ban sex! :jet: That should do the trick. :sarcasm:
No, just that people can't kill other people for their own comfort and ease. Consequences have a way of working out the kinks in people's actions.
 
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Beaver-Cleaver

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As far as the death penalty, how would you feel if someone came up to you and said:

"Oh, we just found out your son, who we executed because he was convicted of murder, was innocent the whole time. We ####ed up, our bad."

I bet your tone would change. :jet:
 

puggymom

Active Member
The problem is that so many people on the prolife side what to deal with laws in terms of ideals, which while I can totally respect that, it just does not fit with reality.
It would be wonderful if all children were taught to respect themselves and in doing such to either abstain from sex or have sex in monogamous relationships using BC. I honestly wish that were the case.
But in reality we have girls that honestly believe their self worth should be determined by whether a guy will sleep with them or not. Then this girl gets pregnant, teaches her child what she knows and the cycle continues.
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
Oh, so they have to be an infant in order to be loved and cared for? :rolleyes:

You "compassionate conservatives" are amazing. :banghead:
No. See, Andy, when a baby is born, it's an infant. Comparing the ability to place an infant in someone's home for adooption vice the ability to place a ten year old who's a problem child and removed from his birth parent's home for that is really comparing apples and bricks (as opposed to apples and oranges). Not even close to the same category.

Do you have ADD? You wander from the subject VERY easily
 

This_person

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As far as the death penalty, how would you feel if someone came up to you and said:

"Oh, we just found out your son, who we executed because he was convicted of murder, was innocent the whole time. We ####ed up, our bad."

I bet your tone would change. :jet:
I'd be pretty upset, but I would have no corrolation of that to abortion.
 
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Beaver-Cleaver

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No. See, Andy, when a baby is born, it's an infant. Comparing the ability to place an infant in someone's home for adooption vice the ability to place a ten year old who's a problem child and removed from his birth parent's home for that is really comparing apples and bricks (as opposed to apples and oranges). Not even close to the same category.

Do you have ADD? You wander from the subject VERY easily

Assumptions.

What happens when you assume?

You make an ass out of yourself.

How do you know the kids were removed because they were problem children. Maybe it's a case where the parents couldn't financially support the kid (they are expensive you know but then again you make $6,000,000/yr. so what do you care).
 
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Beaver-Cleaver

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I'd be pretty upset, but I would have no corrolation of that to abortion.

This is why I say you're a supid ass moron.

You "right to life" conservatives go around clinging to your guns and religion supporting the government murdering (granted, it's not very common) innocent citizens.
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
The problem is that so many people on the prolife side what to deal with laws in terms of ideals, which while I can totally respect that, it just does not fit with reality.
It would be wonderful if all children were taught to respect themselves and in doing such to either abstain from sex or have sex in monogamous relationships using BC. I honestly wish that were the case.
But in reality we have girls that honestly believe their self worth should be determined by whether a guy will sleep with them or not. Then this girl gets pregnant, teaches her child what she knows and the cycle continues.
I don't think telling them life is so invaluable as to be allowed to kill somoene for convenience makes them any better off.
 

This_person

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Assumptions.

What happens when you assume?

You make an ass out of yourself.

How do you know the kids were removed because they were problem children. Maybe it's a case where the parents couldn't financially support the kid (they are expensive you know but then again you make $6,000,000/yr. so what do you care).
I don't know why they are foster kids.

That's the whole point of my question to you - we're not talking about the ability to place foster kids, or any kid other than infants.

So, how many were infants?
 
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