Bwuhahahahha, I got a photo speeding ticket!!!!!

[royhobie]

See how easy that was? I will add you to the good side of speed cameras now ole buddy ole pal.

Don't forget the speed and red light cameras are all in the interest of "safety". Therefore, it is well worth whatever time it takes you from your day to get their error corrected!

 

[vince77]

Crashes down 22 percent in Sherwood; red-light cameras credited | OregonLive.com

 

[glhs837]

Crashes down 22 percent in Sherwood; red-light cameras credited | OregonLive.com

Now vince, this thread doesnt have anything to do with RLCs. But, since you mention it, do you have the raw data? And only two years, one before and one after? Not a wide range, really. Were only collisions in the intersection counted? What were the stats for other intersections in the town?

 

[EmptyTimCup]

Kind of belongs here and kind of doesn't.

I did receive a parking ticket several years ago. It wasn't my car and it took hours of me on the phone to clear up the fact I did not have a red Dodge Caravan parked in front of the Baltimore Stadium.

Currently, I have a vehicle with a title the MVA typed out incorrectly.

They typed a 5 as an S.

Yay me!

No charge, apparently, but I do have to go in person to have this corrected before I can sell before mentioned vehicle.

I would like to charge them for my pain and anguish.

I had this happen too. It was the difference between a zero 0 and an oh O, but on the reg they were identical. It took months to finally figure it out, and only because I looked over the shoulder of the MVA operator console and saw their zero had a slash thru it on the screen which didn't show anywhere else. Damn IBM fonts..... They were threatening revocation of our registrations, our licenses and fining us huge amounts for their error.

I had something similar on my old 83 Jeep Cherokee [last yr of the Cherokee full size - think grand wagoneer]


State Farm caught it when I insurance the vehicle

my Insurance Company has logic check built in when someone insurance a vehicle, but DMV cannot


WTF

 

[vince77]

Now vince, this thread doesnt have anything to do with RLCs. But, since you mention it, do you have the raw data? And only two years, one before and one after? Not a wide range, really. Were only collisions in the intersection counted? What were the stats for other intersections in the town?

write the mayor of Sherwood, maybe he has them....or ask "stopbigbrother".com they'll make some up for you

 

[glhs837]

So, in other words, you blindly accept the word of the folks making money, and dont care how rigorous the study is, as long as it supports your POV? Thats some great intellectual honesty you got going there..........

You write the Sheriff, since you are the one presenting this as proof that what you say is true. The studies I posted, those had actual data.

 

[vince77]

So, in other words, you blindly accept the word of the folks making money, and dont care how rigorous the study is, as long as it supports your POV? Thats some great intellectual honesty you got going there..........

You write the Sheriff, since you are the one presenting this as proof that what you say is true. The studies I posted, those had actual data.

the fact that you'll accept anything stated or written from a group called "stopbigbrother" kinda shoots holes in any discussion you have here about this topic....sorry

 

[glhs837]

Not blindly accept, I analyze what they present, and it all hangs together logically. If you can find holes in the information. please show exactly what those are. What part of what they present can be show to be false?

 

[vince77]

Not blindly accept, I analyze what they present, and it all hangs together logically. If you can find holes in the information. please show exactly what those are. What part of what they present can be show to be false?

they have an agenda, everybody knows that, therefore their material is biased...I'd rely more on reliable, unbiased information.

Department of Transportation
Federal Highway Safety Administration


Automated red-light enforcement using cameras has shown to be effective in reducing the incidence of red-light running and the number of red-light running ...

Red-Light Cameras/Automated Enforcement - FHWA Safety Program

 

[ArkRescue]

There's a new speed camera on Berry Road (runs between 301 in Waldorf and 210 Accokeek) - portable one - didn't see it personally, was told about it - looks like a generator on side of road I was told. Almost everyone in the same office not far from there has gotten a ticket in the mail - WTH? Talk about a revenue generator!

 

[glhs837]

they have an agenda, everybody knows that, therefore their material is biased...I'd rely more on reliable, unbiased information.

Department of Transportation
Federal Highway Safety Administration


Automated red-light enforcement using cameras has shown to be effective in reducing the incidence of red-light running and the number of red-light running ...

Red-Light Cameras/Automated Enforcement - FHWA Safety Program

Tons of data there, and I do note the first ones presented are IIHS studies, and we know those guys are biased, but that thats okay. Look at the FAQ...

Question: Do studies show that there are safety benefits from installation of these cameras systems? Do rear-end collisions increase when red-light cameras are installed—in which case, aren't we just trading one type of crash for another?

ANSWER: Analysis of data in the most comprehensive study to date (Safety Evaluation of Red-Light Cameras, FHWA HRT-05-048, April 2005) from seven jurisdictions (Baltimore; Charlotte; El Cajon, CA; Howard County, MD; Montgomery County, MD; San Diego; San Francisco) at 132 intersections using red-light cameras found:

A 25 percent decrease in total right-angle crashes;
A 16 percent decrease in injury right-angle crashes;
A 15 percent increase in total rear-end crashes; and
A 24 percent increase in injury rear-end crashes.
An economic analysis was conducted to assess the extent to which the increase in rear-end crashes negates the benefits for the decrease in right-angle crashes. This analysis, which was based on an aggregation of rear-end and right-angle crash costs for various severity levels, showed that red-light camera systems do indeed provide a modest aggregate crash-cost benefit. Economic analysis showed that red-light cameras saved society $39,000 to $50,000 annually at each intersection where they are installed. (The costs considered include: hospital bills, property damage to vehicles, insurance expenses, value of lost quality of life, and other costs.)

Primary factors for the greatest economic benefits for red-light camera installation include: locations where there are relatively few rear-end crashes and many right-angle ones, higher proportion of entering average annual daily traffic (AADT) on the major road, shorter cycle lengths and intergreen periods (yellow clearance and all-red), and one or more left-turn protected phases.

A survey conducted by NCHRP found that a majority of jurisdictions (including Boulder, CO; Polk County, FL; Mesa, AZ; Sacramento, CA; Laurel, MD, and others) reported downward trends in red-light running crashes and violations because of red-light cameras. See Impact of Red-Light Camera Enforcement on Crash Experience: A Synthesis of Highway Practice, NCHRP Synthesis 310 (Transportation Research Board, 2003) for more information. This report examines the impact of red-light running camera enforcement on crashes and related crash severity at intersections. The published research reviewed in this report indicates that red-light running automated enforcement can be an effective safety countermeasure.

They can be an effective countermeasure, not that they always will be. And they most effective at saving society money when are used in places where there are a lot of t-bone collisions and few rear end collisions. That sound like us? think about how many collsions we have where someone blew through a red.

 

[Tilted]

Before you go crazy with the photos and using that crazy software on that webpage make sure that they are using fixed points to use time and distance. The legislation (which I have read very thorougly) says the pictures are secondary evidence of the violation. Not primary.

By legislation, are you referring to MD Transprotation Code § 21-809? If so, then would you mind pointing out where it says that pictures are secondary evidence and can't be used as primary evidence?

What other evidence would there be? (And I'm not referring to the actual certificate sworn to by an agent of the relevant law enforcement agency, as that itself would be, in accordance with the law, based on the agent's inspection of the recorded images.)

The pictures without timestamps would be one thing - not really hearsay evidence as they speak for themselves and can be cross examined with regard to what they show. But, the timestamp is hearsay evidence. It is testimony (by the device) that the picture occurred at precisely that instant. If that's not accurate (a fact which a defendant should be entitled to cross examine with regard to), then the meaning of the submitted pictures is different.

But none of that goes to the most fundamental problem with these systems - they don't even try to establish that the accused committed the violation, even if we accept that a violation was committed. It's not enough to demonstrate that something was stolen; in order to punish someone for stealing it we should have to establish who stole it. Owning a vehicle does not, by any means, mean that you are always the one operating it. And it's not okay to say 'prove you didn't do it.' One, that's not always feasible after the fact and two, it's antithetical to our society's sense of justice. The 'well, if you don't want a ticket then don't speed' red herring that so many people like to repeat with regard to this issue is disingenuous and doesn't pass the laugh test.

 

[EmptyTimCup]

There's a new speed camera on Berry Road (runs between 301 in Waldorf and 210 Accokeek) - portable one - didn't see it personally, was told about it - looks like a generator on side of road I was told. Almost everyone in the same office not far from there has gotten a ticket in the mail - WTH? Talk about a revenue generator!

damn I went through there Friday night doing xx once I crossed the CC / PGC like near Accokeek


you mean 229 / 228 ? or 373 running from Accokeek to Brandywine

[I thought Berry Rd came down from the back side of Accokeek and continued to Bendsville and beyond]

[nevermind ......]

Maryland Route 228

MD 228 originally included Bensville Road and Berry Road east of the highway's modern intersection with MD 229.[5] The two named roads met at a defunct intersection with Bealle Hill Road south of Mattawoman Creek.[6] A 15-foot (4.6 m) wide gravel road was constructed from MD 227 in Pomfret to Bennsville in 1925 and 1926.[7] The highway was extended to the crossing of Piney Branch in 1927 and to Berry in 1928.[7][8][9] MD 228 was constructed west from MD 3 (later US 301 and now MD 925) to Hamilton Road (now Western Parkway) in 1933.[10][11] The state highway was completed in 1936 when the gap between Berry and Hamilton Road was filled.[12] The Berry Road portion of MD 228 was reconstructed in 1958 and 1959, leaving behind Bunker Hill Road as an old alignment.[13][14]

The reconstruction of MD 228 in its modern form and course began in the early 1990s. The state highway was expanded to a divided highway from US 301 west to Sharpersville Road in Berry in 1993.[15] MD 228 was extended into Prince George's County on a pair of new bridges over Mattawoman Creek in 1995.[16] The divided highway extended to just west of a new intersection with Bealle Hill Road; the state highway continued west as a two-lane road to a standard intersection with MD 210.[17][18] Bennsville Road was renumbered as MD 229 by 1997.[19] The MD 228 divided highway was extended west to MD 210 and the MD 228–MD 210 junction was reconstructed as a continuous-flow intersection in 2000.[20] That intersection became the second continuous-flow intersection in the U.S.[21][22]