Cain's Wife

[nhboy]

Confirming the possibilities as mentioned by foodcritic and ItalianScallion:

article excerpt regarding Cain's wife:

So until Leviticus came along the bro's could have had sinless relations with their mom.

If Eve was created from Adam's rib, wouldn't they have had identical genes?

 

[nhboy]

Only in your sick mind...

What were the rules for sexual relations during the time Cain & Abel were alive?

 

[This_person]

Who was Cain's (Son of Adam) wife? It would of had to been Adam and Eve's Daughter, Cain's sister, right? They only mention having Abel and Cain right off the back and then a few more kids later on down the road, but after Cain was already married.

There are numerous potential answers. A sister, in the way you are surely meaning it, is the least likely. After all, God says, via later passages, that incest is not acceptable:

Lev 6: "No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations. I am the LORD."

Lev 9: "D not have sexual relations with your sister, either your father’s daughter or your mother’s daughter, whether she was born in the same home or elsewhere."​

Etc., etc. So, given that is so unlikely, we must consider other options:

• There were other people created that are not named specifically in the Bible, since the Bible is not all you want to know, but actually is all you need to know.
• Wait, that's really the only conceivable option, isn't it?

 

[This_person]

The Bible says that Eve is the mother of ALL living and from Adam came all the nations. There was no one else, outside of Adam & Eve, created for Cain to get his wife from, so one can safely say it was a sister or niece.

20 Adam named his wife Eve, because she would become the mother of all the living. (Genesis 3)

45 “The first man Adam became a living being....The first man was of the dust of the earth..." (1 Corinthians 15)

26 "From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth, and he determined the set times for them and the exact places where they should live." (Acts 17)

Given that the bloodline of Eve went to Noah, and all mankind was reduced to Noah and his family, and God knows the entire timeline of all existence (since He made it), there seems no reason to create a situation where His chosen children needed to sin. Who were the other possibilities for "suitable helpers" prior to Eve? Certainly there were other possibilities tried. Who built Nod? Who was Cain worried would kill him that he needed to be marked?

The only plausible answer to all of these questions, within the bounds of the rules set for mankind (at the time or later), would be that when Gen 1 talks of God creating mankind, it speaks of more than just the two that define the bloodline listed for the rest of the Old Testament.

 

[PsyOps]

Thanks Radiant. Wonder what else God decided to 'leave out' of the Bible?

A lot. Does that change who God is in your mind?

 

[thatguy]

Confirming the possibilities as mentioned by foodcritic and ItalianScallion:

article excerpt regarding Cain's wife:

There is an awful lot of extra-biblical speculation being made by your prophet there, but if it confirms foodcritic and IS's assumptions it also confirms nhboy's, as repugnant as that might seem.

The only plausible answer to all of these questions, within the bounds of the rules set for mankind (at the time or later), would be that when Gen 1 talks of God creating mankind, it speaks of more than just the two that define the bloodline listed for the rest of the Old Testament.

you actually quote the passages that refute your 'theory'.......

20 Adam named his wife Eve, because she would become the mother of all the living. (Genesis 3)

45 “The first man Adam became a living being....The first man was of the dust of the earth..." (1 Corinthians 15)

26 "From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth, and he determined the set times for them and the exact places where they should live." (Acts 17)

If eve would become the mother of all the living AND all nations were made from one man, then all people must have come from the two of them. according to the story, and not your 'incest avoidance theory'

 

[2lazy2P]

Sorry, the incestuous imply was not the main question. Obviously it was a "family member." No big deal, that is all they had at that time in the beginning. What I was questioning was how did Cain find a wife if it were only him and his Father and Mother, Adam and Eve, on Earth at that time (since he murdered the only other surviving human, his brother Abel). But Starman gave the best possible answer, as in the time Cain was evicted out to the world by God was probably not defined as necessary as it should have been to make a conclusion that maybe there were possible other siblings or even niece for him to wed at that point. If it is a time confusion, then I can accept that. Thanks Starman.

 

[2lazy2P]

A lot. Does that change who God is in your mind?

No more than not knowing all the details James Patterson left out about his favorite character Alex Cross. Sometimes things get left out of fictional stories, still doesn’t make the story less intriguing.

 

[foodcritic]

No more than not knowing all the details James Patterson left out about his favorite character Alex Cross. Sometimes things get left out of fictional stories, still doesn’t make the story less intriguing.

Sometimes things are left out in real stories, still doesn't make the story less intriguing or true.

 

[atrusomder]

Yes it would have been his sister.

His wife was a desendant of Adam and Eve. Incest back then was prominent. Just look at how Moses daugthers raped him to have children.

 

[ItalianScallion]

His wife was a desendant of Adam and Eve. Incest back then was prominent. Just look at how Moses daugthers raped him to have children.

Did you mean Lot's daughters? Genesis 19...

What were the rules for sexual relations during the time Cain & Abel were alive?

As I said earlier, incest was not yet a sin, so the children of Adam & Eve got their mates from relatives (not parents with their children though). You have to remember that Adam (and possibly Eve too) lived to be over 930 years so they had lots of children that the Bible doesn't speak of.

 

[ItalianScallion]

There are numerous potential answers. A sister, in the way you are surely meaning it, is the least likely. After all, God says, via later passages, that incest is not acceptable:

Lev 6: "No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations. I am the LORD."
Lev 9: "D not have sexual relations with your sister, either your father’s daughter or your mother’s daughter, whether she was born in the same home or elsewhere."​

Etc., etc. So, given that is so unlikely, we must consider other options:

• There were other people created that are not named specifically in the Bible, since the Bible is not all you want to know, but actually is all you need to know.

There were NO other people "created" except Adam & Eve or else Eve could not be "the mother of all the living" as the Bible states.

The Mosaic Laws on familial sexual conduct were not yet given, so inter family marriages were not forbidden, yet. A sister is a definite possibility and so was a neice for Cain's wife. (Dad & Mom was not a possibility though). Cain had no cousins because Adam & Eve had no brothers or sisters, and sexual relations were only between a man & woman.

Given that the bloodline of Eve went to Noah, and all mankind was reduced to Noah and his family, and God knows the entire timeline of all existence (since He made it), there seems no reason to create a situation where His chosen children needed to sin. Who were the other possibilities for "suitable helpers" prior to Eve? Certainly there were other possibilities tried. Who built Nod? Who was Cain worried would kill him that he needed to be marked? The only plausible answer to all of these questions, within the bounds of the rules set for mankind (at the time or later), would be that when Gen 1 talks of God creating mankind, it speaks of more than just the two that define the bloodline listed for the rest of the Old Testament.

That's not possible. Adam & Eve had lots of kids because they (at least Adam) lived for 930 years. Cain could have been hundreds of years old when he murdered Abel, so anyone from his family could have built Nod. Cain could have been worried about any family member wanting to murder him because he murdered a family member...You cannot infer that other people were "created" because that would change the fact that Adam & Eve were the parents of all the living...

 

[thatguy]

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His wife was a desendant of Adam and Eve. Incest back then was prominent. Just look at how Moses daugthers raped him to have children.

Did you mean Lot's daughters? Genesis 19...

What were the rules for sexual relations during the time Cain & Abel were alive?

As I said earlier, incest was not yet a sin, so the children of Adam & Eve got their mates from relatives (not parents with their children though). You have to remember that Adam (and possibly Eve too) lived to be over 930 years so they had lots of children that the Bible doesn't speak of.

On what do you base this "not parents with their children" theory?

 

[hvp05]

As I said earlier, incest was not yet a sin, so the children of Adam & Eve got their mates from relatives (not parents with their children though). You have to remember that Adam (and possibly Eve too) lived to be over 930 years so they had lots of children that the Bible doesn't speak of.

This whole discussion is making me .

 

[ItalianScallion]

On what do you base this "not parents with their children" theory?

It's wrong at any time in history. It's not consistent with how God operates...

 

[UNA]

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On what do you base this "not parents with their children" theory?

It's wrong at any time in history. It's not consistent with how God operates...

Does it say that in the bible?

 

[thatguy]

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On what do you base this "not parents with their children" theory?

It's wrong at any time in history. It's not consistent with how God operates...

So lott having sex with his daughters was ok ( not at all punished by god) but somehow you read that it was always wrong and inconsistent with god?
You are going to have to do better than that. Try actually backing it up

 

[Starman3000m]

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So lott having sex with his daughters was ok ( not at all punished by god) but somehow you read that it was always wrong and inconsistent with god?
You are going to have to do better than that. Try actually backing it up

You make it sound as if Lot did this "willingly" - which is not the case.

Here is the Biblical account of what happened, how it happened and why it happened:

Genesis 19:29-38
29 And it came to pass, when God destroyed the cities of the plain, that God remembered Abraham, and sent Lot out of the midst of the overthrow, when he overthrew the cities in the which Lot dwelt.

30 And Lot went up out of Zoar, and dwelt in the mountain, and his two daughters with him; for he feared to dwell in Zoar: and he dwelt in a cave, he and his two daughters.

31 And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth:

32 Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.

33 And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.

34 And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.

35 And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.

36 Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.

37 And the first born bare a son, and called his name Moab: the same is the father of the Moabites unto this day.

38 And the younger, she also bare a son, and called his name Benammi: the same is the father of the children of Ammon unto this day.

There are many things that people took upon themselves to do without God's consent. For example, the story of Abraham and Hagar - when Sarah said it was OK for him to lie with Hagar to have a child. He did and there have been problems because of it ever since. Still, God was and is faithful to see us through our mistakes and make the best of things so that in the end God is glorified for His Mercy upon those which seek His Mercy.

 

[thatguy]

You make it sound as if Lot did this "willingly" - which is not the case.

Here is the Biblical account of what happened, how it happened and why it happened:



There are many things that people took upon themselves to do without God's consent. For example, the story of Abraham and Hagar - when Sarah said it was OK for him to lie with Hagar to have a child. He did and there have been problems because of it ever since. Still, God was and is faithful to see us through our mistakes and make the best of things so that in the end God is glorified for His Mercy upon those which seek His Mercy.

I didn't assign any responsibility or guilt, or talk to motives, but either way this is a clear case of parent child incest that wasn't punished by god. so again, the possible wives of cain would include sister, neice, mother etc.

unless you can come up with something that isn't EXTRABIBLICAL to illustrate your point. :i'llwait:

 

[Starman3000m]

I didn't assign any responsibility or guilt, or talk to motives, but either way this is a clear case of parent child incest that wasn't punished by god. so again, the possible wives of cain would include sister, neice, mother etc.

unless you can come up with something that isn't EXTRABIBLICAL to illustrate your point. :i'llwait:

The mother is already a "wife" to the father. According to Biblical accounts, Cain took a "wife" for himself. As mentioned in the Bible, Cain goes elsewhere to find a wife:

Genesis 4:16-18

16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

18 And unto Enoch was born Irad: and Irad begat Mehujael: and Mehujael begat Methusael: and Methusael begat Lamech.