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Hessian

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puggymom said:
What kind of slavery the bible does or does not condone is not my point. My point is that people of the 19th century used the bible to justify slavery.
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...and they were wrong,...and they got punished for being wrong.
Americans KNEW slavery was wrong at our founding! Luther Martin left the Phili convention because they refused to address it.


So, when we KNOW something is wrong: we shouldn't excuse it, celebrate it, marginalize it, or create laws to protect it....we should confront it and make people more aware of its evil qualities.--And warn people away from accepting it.

We seem to be more horrified as a nation about dog fighting, or Burma's refusal to take aid than we are about tolerating that which demeans us and is dangerous and is shameful.
 
bdh802

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puggymom said:
What kind of slavery the bible does or does not condone is not my point. My point is that people of the 19th century used the bible to justify slavery.
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I just read a few of your posts. Let's just say you don't appear to be the sharpest knife in the drawer.
 
vraiblonde

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foodcritic said:
Please don't compare homosexual behavior to race....that is so flawed, many minorities find the comparison ridiculous.
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I'm not comparing the two traits - I'm comparing the legality of government regulation.

It's always amazing to me that people who rail against Islamic theocracy will turn right around and bang the Bible in support of banning gay marriage. What part of this isn't clicking with you, because it's clear as a bell to me?

Marriage is a legal entity, not a religious one. It *can be* a religious entity for those who want it to be, but the state issues your marriage license, not the church. And once the government gets involved in personal choices, they cannot discriminate.

The end.

Pound your Bible all day long - I couldn't care less. But you have no right to inflict your religious views on others and turn them into law.
 
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tom88

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Who cares! If two people want to live in harmony, marital bliss, whatever you want to call it, what does it matter who those two people are. Live and let live.
 
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vraiblonde said:
I'm not comparing the two traits - I'm comparing the legality of government regulation.

It's always amazing to me that people who rail against Islamic theocracy will turn right around and bang the Bible in support of banning gay marriage. What part of this isn't clicking with you, because it's clear as a bell to me?

Marriage is a legal entity, not a religious one. It *can be* a religious entity for those who want it to be, but the state issues your marriage license, not the church. And once the government gets involved in personal choices, they cannot discriminate.

The end.

Pound your Bible all day long - I couldn't care less. But you have no right to inflict your religious views on others and turn them into law.
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:clap: Green for you - Andy
 
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vraiblonde said:
I'm not comparing the two traits - I'm comparing the legality of government regulation.

It's always amazing to me that people who rail against Islamic theocracy will turn right around and bang the Bible in support of banning gay marriage. What part of this isn't clicking with you, because it's clear as a bell to me?

Marriage is a legal entity, not a religious one. It *can be* a religious entity for those who want it to be, but the state issues your marriage license, not the church. And once the government gets involved in personal choices, they cannot discriminate.

The end.

Pound your Bible all day long - I couldn't care less. But you have no right to inflict your religious views on others and turn them into law.[/QUOTE]


Didn't Jefferson do this with the Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution........:confused:
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vraiblonde

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toppick08 said:
Didn't Jefferson do this with the Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution........:confused:
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Show me where.

Here are your 10 Commandments:

ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'

TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'

THREE: 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.'

FOUR: 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.'

FIVE: 'Honor your father and your mother.'

SIX: 'You shall not murder.'

SEVEN: 'You shall not commit adultery.'

EIGHT: 'You shall not steal.'

NINE: 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.'

TEN: 'You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.'
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Show me where it says anything about them in the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence.
 
FromTexas

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vraiblonde said:
Show me where.

Here are your 10 Commandments:


Show me where it says anything about them in the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence.
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Well - the Constitution and Bill of Rights do get into life, liberty, and property. (Not kill, not steal...) However, that is not a religious basis.
 
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toppick08

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Chill out Vrai, I was just asking if Jefferson, used his Faith to write the document.....

Which he did.....
 
FromTexas

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toppick08 said:
Chill out Vrai, I was just asking if Jefferson, used his Faith to write the document.....

Which he did.....
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No, you were insinuating the document was "pounding a bible" to "inflict religious views" on others. That was the bold type you responded to.

In the "Declaration of Independence," the founding document of what would become the United States, Thomas Jefferson mentions "nature's God." Unfortunately, this phrase is unclear. The religious beliefs of Jefferson were much debated in his time and still are over two centuries later. Through the letters and other writings of Jefferson, it is possible to construct an outline of his beliefs. Although he supported the moral teachings of Jesus, Jefferson believed in a creator similar to the God of deism. In the tradition of deism, Jefferson based his God on reason and rejected revealed religion.
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"I never told my own religion nor scrutinized that of another. I never attempted to make a convert, nor wish to change another's creed." (Jefferson Quote) Jefferson saw religion as private and therefore found priests unnecessary.
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FromTexas said:
No, you were insinuating the document was "pounding a bible" to "inflict religious views" on others. That was the bold type you responded to.
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It may have been taken that way, but the Jewish Law is also in the Bible....
 
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