Calling All Cops: Defend This Video

[RadioPatrol]

That figures, that's why you're as dumb as you are.

Thank YOU, Thank YOU Very Much.


and your Biased


HANFD.

 

[smcop]

Thank YOU, Thank YOU Very Much.


and your Biased


HANFD.

You're welcome, and it's bias.

 

[AK-74me]

I just logged in with that account because someone sent me an email. I hope you don't think I was trying to pretend to be someone else. I hope I made it clear to all who I was!

There's a difference though AK. I defend cops, and give them the benefit of doubt. Like the five year old thread. I always said the cops were wrong, just don't think they should go to jail.

But it isn't any different than if those cops were two hunters in the field trying to kill the snake. I wouldn't have wanted the hunters to go to jail either!

I condemn bad cop behavior!

Well IMO I wouldn't care if it was a cop or a hunter that did that, I'd want them in jail. You just don't shoot up in the air like that with that kind of round with out considering the damage it would do once it came down.

Read here about the dumbass that shot at a street light on New Year's that ended up killing 2 people a few streets over, charged with two counts of first degree murder.

cbs4denver.com - New Year's Day Shooting Victim Remembered In Fort Collins, Suspect Charged In Denver

 

[Sonsie]

Fat drunk chic mouths off to cop. The push didn't look hard, just kind of a "move it along" thing. She was drunk and fell on her stupid @ss, the angle of her head looks like she might have spit once, either way when you get stupid with the authorities bad things can and do happen. Screw her, next time she might think twice before acting like a sloppy stupid drunk slut.

 

[sommpd]

Well IMO I wouldn't care if it was a cop or a hunter that did that, I'd want them in jail. You just don't shoot up in the air like that with that kind of round with out considering the damage it would do once it came down.

Read here about the dumbass that shot at a street light on New Year's that ended up killing 2 people a few streets over, charged with two counts of first degree murder.

cbs4denver.com - New Year's Day Shooting Victim Remembered In Fort Collins, Suspect Charged In Denver

A guy shooting at a light and a guy shooting at a hissing snake are two different things. I wasn't there when the cop did this, and based on the story I read, I would think that the snake was hissing, presenting a threat to the officers or the home owners and the cops made a mistake. The story said they attempted other means to get rid of the snake as well and those means failed.
I'm not saying their right in what they did, just saying imo they don't deserve to go to jail. Not because they are cops, but because they are good people who did something wrong, while they were trying to do something good.
Do we jail ambulance or firetruck drivers who kill people while driving to an accident scene? No, nor should we.

 

[AK-74me]

A guy shooting at a light and a guy shooting at a hissing snake are two different things. I wasn't there when the cop did this, and based on the story I read, I would think that the snake was hissing, presenting a threat to the officers or the home owners and the cops made a mistake. The story said they attempted other means to get rid of the snake as well and those means failed.
I'm not saying their right in what they did, just saying imo they don't deserve to go to jail. Not because they are cops, but because they are good people who did something wrong, while they were trying to do something good.
Do we jail ambulance or firetruck drivers who kill people while driving to an accident scene? No, nor should we.

But when you get down to the nitty gritty of both, the one thing that neither of them considered that would of kept people alive is that the back ground was not secure.

Lets be honest about that snake now, that thing was not an imediate threat, you can conjur up any kind of movie-esq scenario you want. It was the cop trying to look like a cool guy and shoot down the big bad snake. Just as dumb IMO as shooting a street light.

 

[sommpd]

But when you get down to the nitty gritty of both, the one thing that neither of them considered that would of kept people alive is that the back ground was not secure.

Yea, and that was their mistake!

Lets be honest about that snake now, that thing was not an imediate threat, you can conjur up any kind of movie-esq scenario you want. It was the cop trying to look like a cool guy and shoot down the big bad snake. Just as dumb IMO as shooting a street light.

Now that is you making an assumption. You can't be an arm chair quarterback. These people had to make a decision based on the information they had at the time. I have read a couple different versions of what happened, one was so inflamatory it said the cop moved the female officer aside to play "cowboy". In the version from the neighbor who called the police, that wasn't the case. She said the police officers tried several different means, and the back drop was an open field.

I am not saying these guys were correct in what they did, I am saying you condemning people who tried to do the right thing.

I don't know what field you are in, but in life, it doesn't work that way. If this were my child as someone asked, I would be angry, sad, hateful, but I would look at the facts and not want these guys to go to jail.

If it were your father that did what these police officers did, would you want to send him away?

 

[AK-74me]

I am not saying these guys were correct in what they did, I am saying you condemning people who tried to do the right thing.

I don't know what field you are in, but in life, it doesn't work that way.

Well thank you old wise one.

I am not condemning them for trying to do the right thing, I think they were trying to be "cool" and probably thought that the chances of anything bad happening were so slim it was worth the risk.

I carry a firearm for a living too, I have had to shoot struck deer. I know that if I was an idiot about it and didn't do it taking all the safety precautions that are required for discharging my gun that I would be fired, whether any damage was done to property or persons or not.

I don't want to hear the snake was a threat, the only thing a snake in a birdhoue is a threat to is a freakin bird.

Cops should be held to a higher standard than just average joe off the street in situations like this. After all, especially using a state like ours as an example, they are the only ones that can be trusted to walk around public areas with a firearm.

 

[sommpd]

Well thank you old wise one.

You are welcome.

I am not condemning them for trying to do the right thing, I think they were trying to be "cool" and probably thought that the chances of anything bad happening were so slim it was worth the risk.

See, you're making assumptions about what these guys were doing. What factual basis other than you're opinion do you have for those assumptions.

I don't want to hear the snake was a threat, the only thing a snake in a birdhoue is a threat to is a freakin bird.

You don't know that.

Cops should be held to a higher standard than just average joe off the street in situations like this.

I think we should be held to a higher standard when it comes to our conduct in the intentional acts we preform. The act these guys preformed was to attempt to eliminate a snake, after exhausting all other meathods they knew to do, within the training they recieved. The neighbor told them the backdrop was a field. Should they have checked that? Yea, I would say so. Should they go to jail because they didn't? NO!

 

[AK-74me]

Ok, we obviously aren't going to agree on this considering this is the second thread this case as come up in and no changes of opinion have been made.

I'll just say this. If I was the one who did this I would expect to go to jail. I think I would deserve it. I think anyone that dosen't account for where thier rounds are going should be flogged, if their rounds killed someone they should go to jail. I think that is just.

As far as I know it is illegal to shoot into the air like this with a center fire round, in any state. Of course in life threatening conditions, it has always been assumed there is an extenuating circumstances. By this conviction, I can't come up with any scenario how that would be the case here.

 

[sommpd]

Ok, we obviously aren't going to agree on this considering this is the second thread this case as come up in and no changes of opinion have been made.

I'll just say this. If I was the one who did this I would expect to go to jail. I think I would deserve it. I think anyone that dosen't account for where thier rounds are going should be flogged, if their rounds killed someone they should go to jail. I think that is just.

As far as I know it is illegal to shoot into the air like this with a center fire round, in any state. Of course in life threatening conditions, it has always been assumed there is an extenuating circumstances. By this conviction, I can't come up with any scenario how that would be the case here.

All i'm saying is form your opinion on facts, don't make assumptions when it comes to peoples lives. Thats what our court system is founded on!

 

[AK-74me]

All i'm saying is form your opinion on facts, don't make assumptions when it comes to peoples lives. Thats what our court system is founded on!

How can a snake in a birdhouse present such a threat it needs to be shot, right now!?

I can't see it.

 

[sommpd]

How can a snake in a birdhouse present such a threat it needs to be shot, right now!?

I can't see it.

You're serious? You don't know how a hissing snake on residential property could be a threat? You can't see the scenario where the police are trying to get the snake out of the bird house and the snake snaps at them?

Is it not possible that could have happened?

 

[jetmonkey]

There is never any reason to shoot a snake. First thing is that it's pretty hard to clean kill a snake by shooting it, it's probably the worst way to kill a snake. Second thing is, leave the damn thing alone and it will go away. Tell the homeowner to stop being such a ####ing tard and stay away from it.

 

[AK-74me]

You're serious? You don't know how a hissing snake on residential property could be a threat? You can't see the scenario where the police are trying to get the snake out of the bird house and the snake snaps at them?

Is it not possible that could have happened?

Look I am no expert snake handler but no, you know why because the best thing to do is to leave it alone, if you feel you must try to remove it, are you doing it with your hand??



I can see them now. Gun in one hand, reaching out with the other for the snake, one false move from that snake and BANG!

I mean WTF that would be an episode of Reno 911.

 

[sommpd]

Look I am no expert snake handler but no, you know why because the best thing to do is to leave it alone, if you feel you must try to remove it, are you doing it with your hand??



I can see them now. Gun in one hand, reaching out with the other for the snake, one false move from that snake and BANG!

I mean WTF that would be an episode of Reno 911.

That is easier said than done. We can't show up on a scene, and leave. It just doesn't happen. I think you are missing the part where they tried several other ways to get the snake out. I don't know, perhaps it was while they were trying these other ways that the snake hissed and they decided to shoot it. I don't know. The prosecutor does though, and he/she's the person who decided they shouldn't go to jail. Why do you think, with your limited information that you know better than someone with ALL the facts?

 

[AK-74me]

That is easier said than done. We can't show up on a scene, and leave. It just doesn't happen. I think you are missing the part where they tried several other ways to get the snake out. I don't know, perhaps it was while they were trying these other ways that the snake hissed and they decided to shoot it. I don't know. The prosecutor does though, and he/she's the person who decided they shouldn't go to jail. Why do you think, with your limited information that you know better than someone with ALL the facts?

HELLO, because they get treated different, that is the point of my complaint about these cases.

Give me ALL the facts you want to, it still dosen't negate the fact that they fired a center fire handgun round into the air without worry of where it would land.

Unless it looked like a scene from the movie "Anaconda" and the snake had the officer wrapped up and about to swallow him head first, then I can't see an immediate threat situation.

So you are telling me that a cop can never leave a call without resolving it for the complaintent no matter how ridiculous it is??

-Maam we are really not equiped or trained to handle this.

or

After trying thier best

-Maam that is about all we can do, we tried but we are not authorized to discharge our firearms like this under the circumstances.


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[sommpd]

HELLO, because they get treated different, that is the point of my complaint about these cases.

Give me ALL the facts you want to, it still dosen't negate the fact that they fired a center fire handgun round into the air without worry of where it would land.

Unless it looked like a scene from the movie "Anaconda" and the snake had the officer wrapped up and about to swallow him head first, then I can't see an immediate threat situation.

So you are telling me that a cop can never leave a call without resolving it for the complaintent no matter how ridiculous it is??

-Maam we are really not equiped or trained to handle this.

After trying thier best

-Maam that is about all we can do, we tried but we are not authorized to discharge our firearms like this under the circumstances.


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Never say never, but you have the benefit of looking at this after a horrible tragedy has occurred.

No, not in the real world you can't. People expect their police to take care of their problems.

You are talking about things you don't know about. I am here to tell you that I have been on enough accidental death scenes, where someone is responsible for that death, but since it was an accident, the person was not sent to jail! Not because they were a police officer, not because they new the prosecutor...but because it was an accident. YOU want the police to be held to a higher standard here, and in this case it just isn't fair.

I agree that cops who are corrupt should be held to a higher standard, but not people who make a mistake when they are trying to do good!
or

 

[AK-74me]

You are talking about things you don't know about.

Well if I am not seeing it from a cops perspective because I couldn't possibly know, I shouldn't be able to find any cops that take my view on this case huh?

 

[sommpd]

Well if I am not seeing it from a cops perspective because I couldn't possibly know, I shouldn't be able to find any cops that take my view on this case huh?

No, you might find a cop who has done nothing but run calls and wrote tickets all their life who might agree. But I would doubt you would find anyone with an extensive resume who would agree.

It isn't just me, it's the prosecutor who has all the facts. Listen, if the prosecutor was trying to help these guys, they would have taken this case to the grand jury and dumped it.