Calvert Officer Who Was Charged In Fatal 2019 Accident

Bann

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Near the bottom of the article on The Chesapeake Today, is a segment by/on Craig Kontra, who is also a candiate for Sheriff. He acknowledges commenting on these matters before they have been adjudicated, so won't comment on details, but he says this -

Having worked for the Calvert County Sheriff’s Office for more than 30 years, I know from first-hand experience that we have highly qualified investigators who are fully capable of looking into critical and major incidents. But the perception of investigating your own agency does not sit well with the public and is often perceived as a cover up, even when that’s not the case. So, to avoid even the hint of such a suggestion, I will go outside for a look inside.
I'd like to look more into that comment. It sounds as though Kontra is implying there was "no cover up" in this case. What do they call what happened in this case? "Whoopsie! We kind of forgot to read an Off-Duty Police Officer we work with his Rights!"

How do Deputies show up at an accident with a fatality and take a person away ("in custody") and never read them their rights? That's the first thing they are supposed to do. I don't believe for one minute that they "forgot" to do that. I believe it was done purposely to botch this case.

Kontra didn't retire until Dec.2020, so that means he was still on the force when this accident happened. He has run for Sheriff 2 times before this. He HAD to know what was going on in the CCSO. Yet, he continued with the Department for a year after the case. (and did nothing)

Ricky Cox has been with CCSO since 2004/2005. He might have "been in Florida" at the time of this tragedy, but he damn well knew what was going on, as well.

There is just no way I will ever believe that he or Kontra could not have known, and it is unbelievable to me that Deputies in that Department have not reported any wrong-doing or mishandling, etc. There are procedures in place to report these types of situations to Internal Affairs or whatever body they have within the department. They could go outside of the Department and go higher up if need to. It seems that no one did that.

Dave McDowell is 2nd in charge. If he was on the scene that night, as Ricky Cox has stated, then McDowell may as well be complicit in any mishandling of this case, as well.

This whole thing has left me with disgust with all of the candidates running.
 
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LightRoasted

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Near the bottom of the article on The Chesapeake Today, is a segment by/on Craig Kontra, who is also a candiate for Sheriff. He acknowledges commenting on these matters before they have been adjudicated, so won't comment on details, but he says this -


I'd like to look more into that comment. It sounds as though Kontra is implying there was "no cover up" in this case. What do they call what happened in this case? "Whoopsie! We kind of forgot to read an Off-Duty Police Officer we work with his Rights!"

How do Deputies show up at an accident with a fatality and take a person away ("in custody") and never read them their rights? That's the first thing they are supposed to do. I don't believe for one minute that they "forgot" to do that. I believe it was done purposely to botch this case.

Kontra didn't retire until Dec.2020, so that means he was still on the force when this accident happened. He has run for Sheriff 2 times before this. He HAD to know what was going on in the CCSO. Yet, he continued with the Department for a year after the case. (and did nothing)

Ricky Cox has been with CCSO since 2004/2005. He might have "been in Florida" at the time of this tragedy, but he damn well knew what was going on, as well.

There is just no way I will ever believe that he or Kontra could not have known, and it is unbelievable to me that Deputies in that Department have not reported any wrong-doing or mishandling, etc. There are procedures in place to report these types of situations to Internal Affairs or whatever body they have within the department. They could go outside of the Department and go higher up if need to. It seems that no one did that.

Dave McDowell is 2nd in charge. If he was on the scene that night, as Ricky Cox has stated, then McDowell may as well be complicit in any mishandling of this case, as well.

This whole thing has left me with disgust with all of the candidates running.
Well, looking at his assignments while he was employed, his duties would not have exposed him to what happened with the accident. His last assignment before retiring being with the Drug Enforcement Unit. Not defending, just pointing it out. Sure, he may have heard the scuttlebutt through the grapevine, but he had no direct connection or influence with the investigation. Anything he heard about, if he would have been called to testify, would have been considered hearsay and not admissible anyways.
 

Bann

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Getting ahead if the peaceful protest at 6pm tonight, CCSO Sheriff Mike Evans released a statement that it won't let me post a link to from FB. I'll see if I can find it elsewhere
 

Will99

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How do Deputies show up at an accident with a fatality and take a person away ("in custody") and never read them their rights? That's the first thing they are supposed to do. I don't believe for one minute that they "forgot" to do that. I believe it was done purposely to botch this case.
No person has to be read their rights until they are in custody AND being interrogated. It is a smart thing for a patrol officer not to read someone their rights if they are going to be questioned by a detective later.
 

LightRoasted

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No person has to be read their rights until they are in custody AND being interrogated. It is a smart thing for a patrol officer not to read someone their rights if they are going to be questioned by a detective later.
Once the cuffs go on, one is arrested, and must be read their Miranda rights. This must happen way before the "interrogation" stage. May also apply if being detained. In either case, one would be wise to never speak with "law enforcement". They are not your friend. Any thing you say can and will be used against you. So, keep your mouth shut.
 

NorthBeachPerso

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Once the cuffs go on, one is arrested, and must be read their Miranda rights. This must happen way before the "interrogation" stage. May also apply if being detained. In either case, one would be wise to never speak with "law enforcement". They are not your friend. Any thing you say can and will be used against you. So, keep your mouth shut.
A person does not need to be Mirandized until an interrogation is getting ready to start. That's usually not when "the cuffs go on" and/or a person is placed under arrest.


 

LightRoasted

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A person does not need to be Mirandized until an interrogation is getting ready to start. That's usually not when "the cuffs go on" and/or a person is placed under arrest.


You just proved me correct.

"When You Must Be Given a Miranda Warning
The law only requires police officers to read you a Miranda warning if they intend to question you under custody. Therefore, two questions come into play which will determine whether police must issue a Miranda warning to a suspect:"

"Is the suspect in custody?"
"This is defined as being deprived of your freedom or being placed under arrest."

Sure, there are variables. But in general the first applies.
 

NorthBeachPerso

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You just proved me correct.

"When You Must Be Given a Miranda Warning
The law only requires police officers to read you a Miranda warning if they intend to question you under custody. Therefore, two questions come into play which will determine whether police must issue a Miranda warning to a suspect:"

"Is the suspect in custody?"
"This is defined as being deprived of your freedom or being placed under arrest."

Sure, there are variables. But in general the first applies.

Ok. but "when the cuffs go on" may mean you're under arrest but until you're being officially interrogated you don't have to be Mirandized.

It's done that way just in case the arrestee becomes talkative without prompting.
 

glhs837

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No person has to be read their rights until they are in custody AND being interrogated. It is a smart thing for a patrol officer not to read someone their rights if they are going to be questioned by a detective later.


Ah, will, your quoter must be broken, as someone else posted that.
 

LightRoasted

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Ok. but "when the cuffs go on" may mean you're under arrest but until you're being officially interrogated you don't have to be Mirandized.

It's done that way just in case the arrestee becomes talkative without prompting.
Those arresting folks can be sneaky about how they proceed fur shure. That's why it always best to always remain silent while verbally invoking that right from the very first encounter.
 

Will99

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Once the cuffs go on, one is arrested, and must be read their Miranda rights. This must happen way before the "interrogation" stage. May also apply if being detained. In either case, one would be wise to never speak with "law enforcement". They are not your friend. Any thing you say can and will be used against you. So, keep your mouth shut.
Well, you are wrong. If an officer doesn’t intend on asking any questions, Miranda does not apply. What are the consequences of not reading Miranda and not asking questions? NONE. There is no requirement to reading Miranda unless you intend to interview someone. Seems you can run your mouth but not know what you are talking about.
 

Will99

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Those arresting folks can be sneaky about how they proceed fur shure. That's why it always best to always remain silent while verbally invoking that right from the very first encounter.
I’ll pray for you. I’ll pray that you are never the victim of a crime where witness information is crucial to the apprehension and conviction of your assailant.
 

LightRoasted

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I’ll pray for you. I’ll pray that you are never the victim of a crime where witness information is crucial to the apprehension and conviction of your assailant.
See? Now you are being an ass. You are conflating my post. Sure, if you are an uninvolved witness to a crime, and can help put the bad guy/gal away, it's fine to give a "witness" statement.

But if you are stopped, detained, arrested, for whatever reason, it is always in your best interest to invoke your 5th amendment right to remain silent.
 

Will99

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See? Now you are being an ass. You are conflating my post. Sure, if you are an uninvolved witness to a crime, and can help put the bad guy/gal away, it's fine to give a "witness" statement.

But if you are stopped, detained, arrested, for whatever reason, it is always in your best interest to invoke your 5th amendment right to remain silent.
 

Will99

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Ahh… Deflection. Let’s forget about the part where you’re wrong about having to read Miranda rights when someone is simply arrested. I will still pray for you. That after all is the Christian thing to do.
 

LightRoasted

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Ahh… Deflection. Let’s forget about the part where you’re wrong about having to read Miranda rights when someone is simply arrested. I will still pray for you. That after all is the Christian thing to do.
So, what? Am I supposed to apologize to you that I was incorrect? Save your prayers for someone else. GFYS.
 

GregV814

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I really enjoy watching posts speaking of Miranda based on Dragnet or Adam 12.... Keep up the good work guys.

Are you Mirandized on a traffic stop? Why or why not??? What is "res gestae" ? What intersection is interview interrogation?? Ah, so perplexing, yet so clear in posts....
 
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