Calvert Sheriff in the hot seat, again. Goon squads?

[Hannibal]

I have to be honest and say my "BS" meter is going off that something doesn't quite add up. On one hand, this guy is posting his story everywhere (even saw it on LinkedIn), on Youtube and various newspaper sites (likely just a cut and paste from the original). Almost a "he doth protest too much" type of approach and that always leaves my suspicious.

Look, I understand that not all cops are good and that there are ####ty ones out there (and I don't condone that). However, it seems that this guy, by his own story, got wronged at every opportunity by every party he dealt with (including the 911 operator). So while I realize crappy cops (and their associates) do exist, the law averages in my head say you shouldn't deal with all of them at one time and in one experience. If they are actively working against you (all parties), I question why that is and what "points" aren't being fully disclosed.

More so, I find it hard to understand why, in this day and age of cell phones, dash cams, chest cameras (where available) that officers would act so egregiously in the public environment with at least SOME level of legal cause. I mean, why risk the backlash otherwise? What is the gain for them? Even if you concede some cops are on a power trip (I can agree with that), it's still quite the leap from power trip to a complete disregard of one's rights and the abuse of a restrained motorist as claimed.

Should his account be accurate (even in large part), this is unacceptable and should result in harsh penalties. However, something seems off to me and I am very curious how this plays out.

 

[vraiblonde]

In a heartbeat, a nanosecond, and vociferously. Just like the BLM and similar groups do.

And I'll tell you something else:

In light of the recent incident where a Calvert County cop let a white guy with an impressive list of priors, who blew a red light while driving on a suspended license in a seriously jacked up vehicle, roll right on off with just a ticket.....

This is a slam dunk for any civil rights org and easy money for Mr. Hill. IF he's telling the truth.

 

[Wishbone]

 

[nobody really]

I'm not buying that he was consistently manhandled so outrageously from start to finish, and that when he called 911 the dispatcher also mistreated him. I am simply not buying that. If it turns out that he's telling the truth, I will gladly offer an apology and admit I'm wrong. But I'll bet you $10 right here and now that I'm not.

I know nothing about Sheriff Evans or his deputies. What I do know is that when a story sounds completely outrageous and unbelievable, it's usually a lie. And when someone takes their outrageous and unbelievable story to social media instead of filing charges, that doubles the likelihood that he's lying. The statement released from the Sheriff's office sounds WAY more plausible than this guy's tale.

when he made the comment about the dispatcher, I knew it was over the top bs.

 

[nobody really]

You file a formal criminal or civil complaint with a lawyer to the Court system. What is so hard to understand about that?

RIGHT. If it happened to me, I'd say eff social media, I'd be going to Attorney General with a lawyer, and MSP and NAACP and any agency that would listen.. I wouldn't post a rant on social media.

I'm just surprised at all the detail in his rant.

 

[LightRoasted]

If I may ...

I don't know either way. But I am in suspenders over here and don't want to have to wait until August 30th to find out. I hope Evans, or the guy, or someone puts out the real events. And soon.

 

[awpitt]

You file a formal criminal or civil complaint with a lawyer to the Court system. What is so hard to understand about that?

Nothing.

 

[awpitt]

Jake Tapper? Jim Acosta?

If this were real, he would have a lawyer by now. Per his own words on his FB page, he has not pursued this avenue. I wonder if he's crapping himself because what was supposed to be a "look at me! pity me!" post has taken on a life of its own?

They're not who I had in mind but if you want them added to the list along with the Twitter-n-Chief, that's fine.

 

[DannyMotorcycle]

I think the truth lies in the middle also... So the cop just said Eff this and attacked him? if that's the case, what was the "this" in eff this? it was him impeding the investigation..

also what was the K9 doing there? do they have the k-9 for all stops? or was the guy acting nervous like he was hiding something?

it seems odd that there was a protective order against his wife, but no records on md case search? (and he was on the phone with her?)

my bs meter also alarmed when he blamed the dispatcher too.. that call is recorded, i hope they release that.. it'll probably show him being problematic..
"hung up with me by placing me on a long hold so i hung up" what? lol

seems pretty clear that he is embellishing his story... the question is though.. were the officers being unprofessional within that story still?

pet peeve when people keep talking about the reason for initial contact and leave out the esecalation details..

"speeding should not be a death sentence" man speeding is shot... failed to mention how it escalated with an argument and fist fight then shooting.. i'm talking in general, not this case.
No you were not shot for speeding, you were shot for trying to take an officers gun.. like come on, stop trying to imply the results happened because of speeding. it did not.

I strongly suppect he was being mouthy.. so they called the dog in hoping.. and didn't find anything, meanwhile mouthy did hinder the investigation..

also found it funny that he was saying he was simultaneously being beaten up and trying to have the phone taken? by one person? either he's trying to take your phone or trying to harm you, but sayign both at the same time doesn't make sense.

This sounds like a classic case of refusing lawful orders and then resisting arrest.

 

[DannyMotorcycle]

First let me say that I'm not a big fan of the cop stop.

Fortunately I don't get stopped often. I can't even remember the last time I was pulled over. I'm more likely to have fish & game ask to see my license. It does amaze me when I read how a local SOMD traffic stop ends up with dope or a gun in plain view. Or the officer smells pot or alcohol. And when that happens I'm OK with what ever excuse they use to pull those people over. But I'm against fishing expeditions against people who have not broken any laws.

Sooo you're okay with the BS stops for other people. but not yourself.. if they are guilty.. but the cops are supposed to magically know which bs stops have guilty people?

 

[Bann]

I think the truth lies in the middle also... So the cop just said Eff this and attacked him? if that's the case, what was the "this" in eff this? it was him impeding the investigation..

also what was the K9 doing there? do they have the k-9 for all stops? or was the guy acting nervous like he was hiding something?

it seems odd that there was a protective order against his wife, but no records on md case search? (and he was on the phone with her?)

my bs meter also alarmed when he blamed the dispatcher too.. that call is recorded, i hope they release that.. it'll probably show him being problematic..
"hung up with me by placing me on a long hold so i hung up" what? lol

seems pretty clear that he is embellishing his story... the question is though.. were the officers being unprofessional within that story still?

pet peeve when people keep talking about the reason for initial contact and leave out the esecalation details..

"speeding should not be a death sentence" man speeding is shot... failed to mention how it escalated with an argument and fist fight then shooting.. i'm talking in general, not this case.
No you were not shot for speeding, you were shot for trying to take an officers gun.. like come on, stop trying to imply the results happened because of speeding. it did not.

I strongly suppect he was being mouthy.. so they called the dog in hoping.. and didn't find anything, meanwhile mouthy did hinder the investigation..

also found it funny that he was saying he was simultaneously being beaten up and trying to have the phone taken? by one person? either he's trying to take your phone or trying to harm you, but sayign both at the same time doesn't make sense.

This sounds like a classic case of refusing lawful orders and then resisting arrest.

His FB page says he lives in Washington, DC. If you went to the Maryland Judiciary website, it only shows the legal issues in Maryland.


He says they called for backup. That's where the Deputy with the K9 comes in.

The officers always call for back up. Good thing, too. Every single one of these officers will be part of an investigation. The stories will either match up or not. :shrug:

he other officers came and grabbed my arms and legs, then pushed me to the ground. They continued to stomp, kick, and punch me saying “take him down!” while other officers were laughing. I felt blunt objects striking me on my left leg and on my head.

They placed handcuffs on me while still attacking me on the ground. I asked why they were doing this and they said I was under arrest. I asked under what charge, and they said “because I was resisting arrest.” What?


The other officers said “we got another one” and made all kinds of inside jokes that were obviously racist as I was escorted back to the police vehicles.

And you don't even need to watch Live PD to know that some of the individuals who are stopped already have a chip on their shoulder when they are instructed to do something. It is very clear this guy felt indignant at being stopped because HE DISPUTES his driving speed. Yeah, he got pulled over for speeding ("laser enforced") and he wasn't doing "a few" miles over the posted speed limit - he was doing 21 per their report.

Therefore, his high speed, his attitude/mouth and his behavior towards all the Law Enforcement Officers he came into contact with are what got his a** in trouble. Now he wants to whine about it like a baby and cry raciss.

 

[Wishbone]

I've watched this happen numerous times.

They get pulled over and instead of being polite, patient and accepting the consequence like a rational adult... They get the "TUDE" going full force and get themselves into 10x the difficulty.

Sorry but there is a price to pay sometimes for being a douche. Especially to a traffic cop.

 

[libertytyranny]

Having a ####ty attitude isnt against the law, and I honestly CRINGE when I hear people use that as an excuse. We are under no obligation to be kind or even polite to police and I dont want to live in a world where the law treats you differently depending on how sweet you are when pulled over, thats not how it is supposed to work.

Now, I dont buy the guy's entire story, especially that a cop got physical with him just because he was on the phone. However, much of what he decribes (minus the physical part) tracks VERY closely (down to even similar words they said to me that turned out to be bull####) to what I experienced as a teen and I was cooperative and polite the entire time out of sheer terror. SO if they can do that to me (a young, very white teenage college student), I am positive they can do that to someone else. Even just a few episodes of LIVEPD can show you their penchant for illegal searches, and thats just what ends up on TV when they know they are being watched!

Truth is always somewhere in the middle with these, but based on my own experience and that of people I know, a good deal of his story is very believable.

 

[Wishbone]

Having a ####ty attitude may not be against the law, but when you use it, things escalate.

If you escalate the unfortunate situation and it becomes an extremely unpleasant situation, who's to blame. .

 

[DannyMotorcycle]

I think if they told him that they had the right to search his car because of the dog and he refused still, then he was
disobeying a lawful order, as well if he refused to submit to custody (they have a right to handcuff/detain you merely to investigate/search
if they have probable cause, which would have been the dog, even if it isn't so accurate but still the current law until we do something to get it changed).

his attitude probably got the 'restraining order' investigation and dog call/backup..

he should have just been polite, and simply said "sir I appreciate police officers, so i want you to understand I'm just disagreeing that i was speeding, but i'm not objecting to you doing your job. That's all I have to say, i know you have important things to do so i'm not trying to take up too much of your time. thank you."

and he would have avoided a whole lot of unpleasantness.

 

[Bann]

Having probable cause gives them the right to search your vehicle. I think if Live PD is recording illegal searches there would be a huge influx of law suits. Just as an aside - there's probably no law about deputies using harsh or sarcastic language with people when they interact, either.

I'm not saying CCSO did nothing wrong, as I wasn't there. I am anxious to see what the investigation turns up.

 

[Restitution]

However, much of what he decribes (minus the physical part) tracks VERY closely (down to even similar words they said to me that turned out to be bull####) to what I experienced as a teen and I was cooperative and polite the entire time out of sheer terror. SO if they can do that to me (a young, very white teenage college student), I am positive they can do that to someone else.

Well... a lot has changed since the 40's so... :shrug:

 

[libertytyranny]

Having probable cause gives them the right to search your vehicle. I think if Live PD is recording illegal searches there would be a huge influx of law suits. Just as an aside - there's probably no law about deputies using harsh or sarcastic language with people when they interact, either.

I'm not saying CCSO did nothing wrong, as I wasn't there. I am anxious to see what the investigation turns up.

The video that comes to mind (easily found on youtube) is the kid who was pulled over for a tag light and the deputy saw a used condom in the door. He had the kid exit the vehicle to "show" him the light and then asked him if there was anything else in the car he needed to know about. The kid said no. He said to him, well if you dont mind stand there for a second and Im going to check it out and get you on your way. No reason at all to search, no permission, he even stated to the camera that the car smelled like BO and made no mention of smelling anything else. No K9, no "odor of burnt marijuana" and no mention of seeing anything out of the ordinary and yet the kid was removed from his car and had it searched. The video is funny becasue its gross, but I was very struck by how that cop handily got his search in on a young kid who probably didn't realize he could have said no.

 

[black dog]

The video that comes to mind (easily found on youtube) is the kid who was pulled over for a tag light and the deputy saw a used condom in the door. He had the kid exit the vehicle to "show" him the light and then asked him if there was anything else in the car he needed to know about. The kid said no. He said to him, well if you dont mind stand there for a second and Im going to check it out and get you on your way. No reason at all to search, no permission, he even stated to the camera that the car smelled like BO and made no mention of smelling anything else. No K9, no "odor of burnt marijuana" and no mention of seeing anything out of the ordinary and yet the kid was removed from his car and had it searched. The video is funny becasue its gross, but I was very struck by how that cop handily got his search in on a young kid who probably didn't realize he could have said no.

It happens everyday in every town in America, if the search happens with permission the citizens were fished into believing that the LEO is there friend.

 

[Hijinx]

Saying no to a search by a police officer at a traffic stop is a joke.

It shouldn't be, but it is.

Just like when you get on the witness stand and tell the Judge you did not do what the officer accused you of,

Traffic Court is one place where you are guilty, unless you can prove yourself innocent.