Camera speed ticket received
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glhs837
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12 over seems a reasonable trigger point to me as well. Of course, once you start discussing a reasonable speed, that means you are going right past the point of asking if these things bring any real benefit. Sort of arguing the reasonable jail term for pedophiles, when in fact the correct answer is to end them. Or arguing the flow rate of the hole in your hull when the right answer is to patch it or abandon ship.
LOL, ah no. Know a couple of people who got tickets up in the Towson area and tried to challenge them. The judge denied their request.
The system is simple, the fine is relatively low, no points are assessed. You have all the motivation to simply mail it in. Please don't waste the courts time trying to dispute, it's not welcome.
If jurisdiction has to supply evidence or a LEO to testify it reduces the cost effectiveness of the system. This is just a technology upgrade for the local speed trap.
lucky_bee
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mmm...I got two camera speed tickets outside the, I think it's Thomas Stone's school in Waldorf? Right after the 5 split. I was only going 8 mph over both times.
I didn't even realize there was a camera, or a sign stating so until I got the tickets in the mail
Got them both within a day or two apart. I swear that sign is only about 6"x6"... but I was relieved to learn speed camera tickets do not add points. I was speeding so I just paid.
glhs837
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mmm...I got two camera speed tickets outside the, I think it's Thomas Stone's school in Waldorf? Right after the 5 split. I was only going 8 mph over both times.
I didn't even realize there was a camera, or a sign stating so until I got the tickets in the mail
If you really were 8mph over, you should not have been ticketed. Note the limit drops to 45 right before there there. So if you were at 58, then it makes sense. And I do love the irony of the "Fines doubled" sign.
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.615...2qCEvXLF-HBg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1?hl=en
Here's the sign though
https://www.google.com/maps/@38.615...enwxjEezZwtQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1?hl=en
and you should be aware that they have added the Grace Christian Academy a few miles back to the south of there.
http://www.thebaynet.com/articles/1...nforcement-camera-to-be-added-in-charles.html
huntr1
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Grace Christian Academy is not in a 50 MPH zone. It's 55. Charles County publishes the camera locations in advance. You can see the camera well in advance of passing it so you have plenty of time to slow down to <11 MPH over the limit. MD cameras trigger at limit +11 mph. So as long as you are doing <66 in a 55, you are ok. +5 is always safe when in a camera zone.
glhs837
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Yep, because hitting the buss full of kids at 66 is just fine
And, of course, we know nobody is hitting the busses anyway, so the speed the camera triggers at is a sop aimed to give supporters another thing to roll their eyes over "Jebus Christmas, we even gave you a freakin 11mph BUFFER for effs sake and you are STILL not happy!!!!" When the conversation should be about if these things are even needed, not about who gets identified, or what triggers it, or even accuracy. Getting bogged down over the damage the elephant in the rooms nails might be doing to the hardwood when you should be asking why in the hell there is one in the room in the first place.I'm waiting for the day when some genius decides that the speed limit should be lower, say 25 MPH because it's a school zone.
The people that get ticketed aren't the people with the lobbyists selling these systems. So don't say, the law says. The law can be changed and the judge is the law.
If you want to challenge these tickets, you better have deep pockets as the cost is on you. What the state counts on is that people weigh the cost trade of arguing the fine or just paying up.
They make it simple and attractive to just pay the fine.
The people that get ticketed aren't the people with the lobbyists selling these systems. So don't say, the law says. The law can be changed and the judge is the law.
If you want to challenge these tickets, you better have deep pockets as the cost is on you. What the state counts on is that people weigh the cost trade of arguing the fine or just paying up.
They make it simple and attractive to just pay the fine.
glhs837
Power with Control
Regarding official vehicles being immune, ever since the fiasco a few years back when I think it was MoCo deputies were blowing through theses with middle fingers raised to protest being told to pay up when they were tagged for triggering them when not responding to a call, there has been no press about such things at all. I suspect it's been covered in one of the "public" meetings that the public couldn't attend held by the MACO organization where all operators of the systems got together to decide how to present a united front to both legislators and citizens.
If only Maryland had an open meetings laws......
If only Maryland had an open meetings laws......
NorthBeachPerso
Honorary SMIB
Maryland has one of the stronger Open Meetings laws in the US
MACO (Maryland Association of Counties) and the speed camera vendors are two separate things.
One thing about speed cameras and the supposed revenue windfall. After the first year violations, and fines, fall off the table because everyone knows they're there. There were a couple Chesapeake Beach Town Council members who were complaining about that a year or so ago.
huntr1
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Yep, because hitting the buss full of kids at 66 is just fine
The buffer is there due to mechanical speedos not being 100% accurate, thus the 10 MPH buffer.
If you hit a big yellow bus, regardless of your speed, you need to lose your license to drive.
Vince
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Red light cameras just as bad. The computer can misinterpret the plate number, etc. and the wrong person gets the ticket. Red light camera in Baltimore gave me a ticket for running a red light at 2am. I was home in bed.
It had my truck as a white Ford F-150 and at the time I owned a red Ford Ranger. Human beings don't check the registration. The computer just mails the tickets. I had to get a picture of my truck and plates and send it to them. It took 6 months to clear it up. The stupid woman on the phone told me I had to come to court to contest it. I told her BS. I'm not coming to court for a ticket that wasn't mine.
glhs837
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Yep, MACo is not the same as the vendors. Meeting the vendors might hold are one thing........
http://pgcma.com/mmlmaco-speed-camera-symposium/
"MML, along with the Maryland Association of Counties (MACo), the American Automobile Association (AAA), the Prince George’s and Montgomery County Police Departments, and the Maryland Chiefs of Police Association, sponsored a Speed Camera Symposium in Bowie earlier this week.
The symposium was focused on speed camera program best practices, and included overviews of the contracting and RFP process, media relations, speed camera technology, and strategic partners in automated enforcement programs."
Yep, revenues do drop off over time, but as long as they stay in the black, the programs continue. And CPB, with only one camera, was bound to see it drop off more than most places like say Charles, that has a slew of locations to rotate cameras to. Wicomico county is dropping their program since it dropped below the amount of money to even pay for the deputy to review citations.
Agreed. if you hit a bus, you should lose your license. But if you really think that 12mph buffer is there to account for speedo error, I would have to say you are wrong and ask for something to prove that. No speedo since the 70s has had any real change for errors that large. Hell, how many mechanical speedos are left out there? My 88 Samurai has one. It's there for the sole reason of palatability of the programs. So people can say "Well, it's 12mph, the really dangerous speeders, who could support speeding like that?" And of course, you them are past the point of discussion that asks "When has a school bus in a school zone even been hit by a speeder?.
That's a real question. Everybody sort of ignores it, but if you are trying to make students safer, and nobody is hurting them that way, why the hell are you doing it? All this other discussion ignores the basic fact that people speeding in school zones are not hurting students.
Red light cameras just as bad. The computer can misinterpret the plate number, etc. and the wrong person gets the ticket. Red light camera in Baltimore gave me a ticket for running a red light at 2am. I was home in bed.
Please don't tell them that the machines make mistakes and that they aren't checked by humans.
Seems many that post here believe that if you are accused you are guilty, maybe not what you are accused of doing, but you are guilty none the less.
Guilty until proven innocent.
Restitution
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Went ahead and fixed that for you!
glhs837
Power with Control
MD law does require that all automated citations be reviewed by a sworn officer. Of course, as we've seen, MD law requires a lot of things that don't always happen (bounty payment system, retention of slef test logs and sign offs, not making school zones solely for the camera, etc) but in this, at least, they go through the motions. There was the deceased Baltimore police officer who managed to review 2,000 citations from beyond the grave. There was another officer (Morningside, maybe) who went on leve for two weeks, and the vendors reviewers illegally used his password to review citations for him. And a whistleblower in DC who testified that review was BS, and he got hung out to dry.
So, yes, the law requires review. How good is it? I myself have received two incorrect speed camera citations from Baltimore. Both times it was the same wrong tag. Vehicle pictured was a black full size Chevy truck, while my registration clearly shows a yellow Geo Storm. So how much review went into those? Easy fixes, but the point is that review is not worth a lot.
So, yes, the law requires review. How good is it? I myself have received two incorrect speed camera citations from Baltimore. Both times it was the same wrong tag. Vehicle pictured was a black full size Chevy truck, while my registration clearly shows a yellow Geo Storm. So how much review went into those? Easy fixes, but the point is that review is not worth a lot.
Vince
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Yep, machines are not checked by humans. Not only that, but they tried to do it to me again. The next time they tried to give me a red light ticket, I had the same truck, and they confused it with a Pipe Fitters truck. One digit off on the plates, but they are not crossed with a registration. Another 6 months to straighten that one out.
you got two, Vince got two. I got one that was just billed to my CC. I was driving a rental.
The ticket wasn't rescinded, I just got the rental car company to give me back the money. I was a couple of thousand miles from where the alleged violation took place.
The ticket actually came from a company in New York state, which was halfway across the country for the jurisdiction I was flagged in.
Also got a red light ticket. I had picked up the car at a location near by, technically I didn't have possession of the care at the time of the ticket, but since it was the same day it wasn't going to work.