Can a religion be "evil?"

[Pete]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Can a religion be "evil?"

Originally posted by Ehesef
Thats sad. You should really have more of an open mind about things.

Originally posted by MZuchick
Why should I be open minded about Islam? I'm Christian not muslim.. I believe in God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit One God not the god of Islam..

For me to not refute or deny Islam with all my ability because for me it would be grave error to do anything less.

Mike

AWWW back together again.....reminds me of a little song from 1980



I was a fool to ever leave your side
Me minus you is such a lonely ride
That break-up we had has made me lonesome and sad
I realize I love you 'cuz I want you back, hey-hey

I spent the evening with the radio
Regret the moment that I let you go
Our quarrel was such a way of learning so much
I know now that I love you 'cuz I need your touch, hey-hey

CHORUS
Reunited and it feels so good
Reunited 'cuz we understood
There's one perfect fit and sugar this one is it
We both are so excited 'cuz we're reunited, hey-hey

I sat here starin' at the same old wall
Came back to life just when I got your call
I wished I could climb right through the telephone line
And give you what you want so you would still be mine, hey-hey

I can't go cheatin' hone, I can't play
I found it very hard to stay away
As we reminice on precious moments like this
I'm glad we're back together 'cuz I missed your kiss, hey-hey

Repeat CHORUS

Oh
Lovin' lover this is solid love
And you're exactly what I'm dreamin' of
All through the day, and all through the night
I'll give you all the love I have with all my might, hey-hey

Repeat CHORUS

 

[Chain729]

Wow, so much I could say, I'll forget half of it before I finish typing this. I'll start off with a little background. I came from a two religion home: Christianity and Judaism. In the end, I've chosen Judaism over Christianity. IMHO, it is more complete. I've found too many holes in the theology of Christianity.

I personally don't have a problem with Islam. When you look at the Koran, it is actually a very peaceful religion. What I do have a problem with, are the armies of schmucks that break their own religious laws by killing civilians, women, childen and destroying buildings, then have the nerve to say that it is their God's will. How pathetic.

Regaring the "what violence has been done recently in the name of Christ?" comment, history has a way of repeating itself, so don't say it won't/can't happen again. Quoting Einstein "Two things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." I'm not cracking you, I'm cracking on mankind. We're capable of so much, yet we choose such foolish paths, make excuses and live our lives in blind hypocracy.

Regarding Judeao-Christian religions, don't believe everything you read in the bible. A lot of the "New Testament" was written in Aramaic, which is a very limiting language. This is why Jesus spoke in parables, the context helped to convey the complex principals the language didn't have the words for. Now, lets take a look at Hebrew. Compared to English, Hebrew is an odd language. So much of its meaning comes from "word play" and other subtle differences. One word can mean a number of things, depending on not only how its used, but how its written. Remember, Hebrew characters are much more complex than what we use for English.

For Aramaic, try this: http://cal1.cn.huc.edu/searching/engoutlex.html Aramiac has evolved in the last two thousand years, so this may not be as accurate as desired; but it should get my point accross. Hopefully, you'll understand what I'm talking about.

For such reasons, you won't see an orthodox Jew using an English Torah (unless, like me he can't read Hebrew). Hell, if you find one reading the Torah praise him- it doesn't happen often, much the same with a Christian reading the Bible. I may not agree with your religion, but I will respect it if you have and do question your beliefs and seek the answers to those questions. If such questioning is not done, then IMHO, the belief means nothing.

I'll stop here, before I write a novel. I don't mean to go on and on about christianity, but from my own religious background, it's heavily on my mind and soul.

Feel free to disect with a scapel. I appreciate it when people disagree with me and then tell me why. Another point of view can open your eyes to what you may not have seen otherwise.

 

[Tonio]

You make some good points, Chain. I believe the true evil is in the self-righteous attitudes of some believers, no matter what belief system they follow. The self-righteous condemn anyone who disagrees with them as not worthy to live and deserving of eternal punishment.

 

[Hessian]

Robert Reich on Religion..

Clintons closet commie has some words of wisdom:

"Reich concludes his column by taking aim at those who believe in God:


The great conflict of the 21st century will not be between the West and terrorism. Terrorism is a tactic, not a belief. The true battle will be between modern civilization and anti-modernists; between those who believe in the primacy of the individual and those who believe that human beings owe their allegiance and identity to a higher authority; between those who give priority to life in this world and those who believe that human life is mere preparation for an existence beyond life; between those who believe in science, reason, and logic and those who believe that truth is revealed through Scripture and religious dogma. Terrorism will disrupt and destroy lives. But terrorism itself is not the greatest danger we face."

So, devout Christianity is a bigger threat than Terrorism. I'm so glad he held high office for several years...we were so blessed to be under the guidance of a Marxist.

 

[willie]

Re: Robert Reich on Religion..

Originally posted by Hessian
Clintons closet commie has some words of wisdom:

"Reich concludes his column by taking aim at those who believe in God:


The great conflict of the 21st century will not be between the West and terrorism. Terrorism is a tactic, not a belief. The true battle will be between modern civilization and anti-modernists; between those who believe in the primacy of the individual and those who believe that human beings owe their allegiance and identity to a higher authority; between those who give priority to life in this world and those who believe that human life is mere preparation for an existence beyond life; between those who believe in science, reason, and logic and those who believe that truth is revealed through Scripture and religious dogma. Terrorism will disrupt and destroy lives. But terrorism itself is not the greatest danger we face."
So, devout Christianity is a bigger threat than Terrorism. I'm so glad he held high office for several years...we were so blessed to be under the guidance of a Marxist.

Where did he say Christian?

 

[Hessian]

Here's a look at the broader article...

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39321

I suppose you may be allowed to believe in a supernatural life force if it does not affect your job, character, or collective humanistic dogmas.

 

[willie]

I agree with the little liberal twit on this one. Islam is the root of almost all our currant violence. Pat Robertson and his type whacko don't hold a candle to Islam. I wouldn't doubt that he would like to use a little sublime suggestion that the ultra right are mean people but it is Islam that leads to the big violence.

 

[Hessian]

Quick manual on Wife beating...

I'm glad this Imam cleared things up for me...
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40276

3 types of wives who need the frequent beating...

 

[happyappygirl]

I agree with the little liberal twit on this one. Islam is the root of almost all our currant violence. Pat Robertson and his type whacko don't hold a candle to Islam. I wouldn't doubt that he would like to use a little sublime suggestion that the ultra right are mean people but it is Islam that leads to the big violence.

I think this is far too general a statement...it's the Islamic FANATICS who truly believe they will be elevated to a higher plain in the afterlife, and their families will become rich beyond their wildest dreams because they die for their cause; saving their country from Westerners who try to convince their women they have real value as human beings, and who worship money (hence bombing our world trade center). so it all boils down to a man-thing.... A-GAIN.
It's just like the terristic tactics of Christian FANATICS who bomb stem cell research labs and abortion clinics - thus voilating the "Thou shalt not kill" commandmant in the name of God....

 

[Hessian]

Imam planned celebration of "Magnificent 19"

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40299

Looks like 9/11 is a day of celebration in some communities.

 

[willie]

I think this is far too general a statement...it's the Islamic FANATICS who truly believe they will be elevated to a higher plain in the afterlife, and their families will become rich beyond their wildest dreams because they die for their cause; saving their country from Westerners who try to convince their women they have real value as human beings, and who worship money (hence bombing our world trade center). so it all boils down to a man-thing.... A-GAIN.
It's just like the terristic tactics of Christian FANATICS who bomb stem cell research labs and abortion clinics - thus voilating the "Thou shalt not kill" commandmant in the name of God....

Those radical clerics can get a whole country riled up against us infidels. About 1/5th of the world population is muslim and the daily news indicates that most of them would like to behead US.

 

[Palanthias]

What?!?

I agree with the little liberal twit on this one. Islam is the root of almost all our currant violence. Pat Robertson and his type whacko don't hold a candle to Islam. I wouldn't doubt that he would like to use a little sublime suggestion that the ultra right are mean people but it is Islam that leads to the big violence.

Are you kidding me.. violence and evil have less to do with religion and more to do with self-gratification and ignorance. The islamic fanatics believe that they will receive some eternal reward for service.. Religious mercenaries... Christian fanatics have done the same in the past. Both are ignorant of the path to righteousness is inward not outward... BTW it is the power hungry from all sides that lead to violence.

 

[DJ_Blackrain]

"I think this is far too general a statement...it's the Islamic FANATICS who truly believe they will be elevated to a higher plain in the afterlife, and their families will become rich beyond their wildest dreams because they die for their cause; saving their country from Westerners who try to convince their women they have real value as human beings, and who worship money (hence bombing our world trade center). so it all boils down to a man-thing.... A-GAIN.
It's just like the terristic tactics of Christian FANATICS who bomb stem cell research labs and abortion clinics - thus voilating the "Thou shalt not kill" commandmant in the name of God...."

I think there is no boundry on religion as there are many people that are in the Alternate religion area and we are looked upon as evil & condemed for what we believe.

So is there a boundry???

Blackrain

 

[vraiblonde]

So is there a boundry???

As far as I'm concerned, the only boundary is that you can't do harm to others as a result of your religion. Not even if "God" tells you to.

 

[2ndAmendment]

"Thou shalt not kill" commandmant in the name of God...."

Correctly interpreted from the Hebrew it says

Exodus 20:13
13 You shall not murder.

Hence, soldiers that kill in battle do not violate this command nor do those that kill in self defense or defense of their family or others.

 

[Nickel]

Correctly interpreted from the Hebrew it says
Hence, soldiers that kill in battle do not violate this command nor do those that kill in self defense or defense of their family or others.

Right, but his example was of the fanatics who bomb abortion clinics and stem cell research labs. They are murdering civilians, and they aren't in the military, so by all counts they are sinning.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Right, but his example was of the fanatics who bomb abortion clinics and stem cell research labs. They are murdering civilians, and they aren't in the military, so by all counts they are sinning.

Don't have a problem with that assessment, but I cannot judge; not my job. Of course those that perform abortions are also murderers. People that kill unborn babies are murderers; just ask Scott Peterson.

 

[jasonp]

Yes, but ...

There is a difference between the Christian fanatics who bomb abortion clinics and the Islamic fanatics who bomb ... well, everything. Few Christians support the bombings – over 99% are opposed and appalled. Muslims, on the other hand, consider bin Laden a hero. They support the bombings – especially the bombings of civilians in Israel.

The second difference is the example set forth by their prophets. Jesus never ruled, never plundered caravans, terrorized opponents, slaughtered whole tribes, nor ethnically cleansed a town. Muhammad did those things. That example makes it harder for moderate Muslims (which most are) to tell their fanatical brethren that they are not following the example of their founder.

By the way, since I’m new here, let me point out that I’m not religious. However, I do have to understand the differences between the religions – as I think we all must.

 

[Chris_]

I agree...it's important that we all accept the fact that others think differently than we do; we don't have to "like" what someone thinks...but we should respect the fact that others may have opinions and beliefs different from our own.

 

[2ndAmendment]

I agree...it's important that we all accept the fact that others think differently than we do; we don't have to "like" what someone thinks...but we should respect the fact that others may have opinions and beliefs different from our own.

As a Christian it is easy to accept that there are many different opinions. One only has to look on this board. Christians believe that only the word of the God of the Bible matters.