Can Atheists Be Parents?

[Larry Gude]

Lol...

:shrug:

if you are going to explain to me how something was created out of nothing...be my guest.

I used to be able to explain NEARLY every aspect of how a god could not exist...but thats where I'd get stuck. You simply cannot have physical things without some divine intervention. Sure, you can explain how different chemicals combine today to make different things, BUT, how do you explain exactly where carbon, oxygen, hydrogen, ect. atoms came from? You cannot even have the heat that was required to combine some atoms to other atoms to make different chemical combinations w/o the initial creation of something.

Tell me how something came from nothing and maybe I'll second guess my beliefs, but currently I can completely be against organized religion but still believe that some being had to have created the elements of the universe.

...and then, if there is a god, according to your logic, he/she/it must have come from somewhere/something, yes? Thus, god can not be god. And then, where did the thing/place god came from...come from? So, not even gods parents can be god. On and on and on.

So, God 'just is' makes it nice and tidy. Man is not meant to understand God, only obey, makes it even better. And yet, this magnificent omnipotent is not able to just sit down with me for five minutes, all of us, and say "I am going to send you to hell for all eternity if you don't join the correct religion and shape up."

Maybe he's afraid I'll start the whole thing all over again and ask where hell comes from?

But of course, God speaks to us all the time, I merely choose to not hear. So, off to hell I go. God gives us free will to ruin ourselves but he, like a parent who can't be bothered to spend time with their child says "Look, go read about it in a book or something. I'm busy."

 

[mAlice]

The universe, and everything in it, was created when matter and antimatter collided.

 

[theArtistFormerlyKnownAs]

Then it comes doown to who created the being. It's all very confusing.

o no.

you can explain that fine.

sure, it isn't EASY to explain how perfectly a human (or animal, plant even) could be created out of just a combination of elements, but it is possible. It is why we can have a general idea of what creatures will be like in millions of years, combining certain ways to deal with changes on this planet.

but I still just can't explain how anything can be created from NOTHING. not a "little" something with heat/cold/other interactions...it must be explained how anything can be created from nothing at all with no physical interaction with anything because nothing else exists.

 

[theArtistFormerlyKnownAs]

The universe, and everything in it, was created when matter and antimatter collided.

but how did matter exist from nothing?

 

[mAlice]

but how did matter exist from nothing?

I don't know enough about physics to answer that question. I actually stole it from something I read.

 

[Larry Gude]

What about...

The universe, and everything in it, was created when matter and antimatter collided.

...Uncle Matter and Whatsa Matter?

 

[Larry Gude]

Does it...

but how did matter exist from nothing?

...matter?

 

[Larry Gude]

I know!

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but I still just can't explain how anything can be created from NOTHING. not a "little" something with heat/cold/other interactions...it must be explained how anything can be created from nothing at all with no physical interaction with anything because nothing else exists.

...God was playing with matches and, pretty soon, whoosh, he set the universe on fire.

Now, where did he get those dang matches? Some careless addicted smoker no doubt...

 

[theArtistFormerlyKnownAs]

I don't know enough about physics to answer that question. I actually stole it from something I read.

precisely my point.

I understand your beliefs...I think

You live your life off of morality correct?

That is fine and dandy, I'm all for it...BUT...when you attempt to say there is not a god, but yet cannot explain HOW the universe can exist without one, you are in the same exact boat as the people who say we must have been created by a god, and again give no explanation.

 

[nhboy]

...if Southern leaders were not insistent on fighting, they would have announced withdrawal from the Union, as they did. They would have established their own government, as they did.

And then they would have entered into negotiations with the federal government to peacefully and patiently acquire each and every piece of federal property in the succeeded states, from arsenals to forts to offices to pencils and paper.

As it was, they did so violently and asked for war. The North said...

OK.

I'm not up on the war so please bear with me. Could it be said that the secessionists did not trust or even know how to manipulate the existing political system in order to gain their objective? If so, it would seem that they had no real choice other than to fight. What's your take on this?

 

[Xaquin44]

precisely my point.

I understand your beliefs...I think

You live your life off of morality correct?

That is fine and dandy, I'm all for it...BUT...when you attempt to say there is not a god, but yet cannot explain HOW the universe can exist without one, you are in the same exact boat as the people who say we must have been created by a god, and again give no explanation.

but he is at least looking and not just taking what comes along.

 

[Toxick]

Thank you.

What the hell is the relevance of this article almost 40 years later??? Next shall we examine whether women should be allowed to vote or not?

MSM 2008 Campaign Agenda - FOR EYES ONLY

Phase 1: Focus attention on Huckabee and Romney - specifically, their religious differences. Subtly highlight the link between the Republican party and the Religious Right forming solid bonds thereby creating the association that all the Republicans are Jezus-Freaks of one brand or another.

Phase 2: Start churning out antiquated Christian propaganda. Focus special attention on articles and pieces which will rouse hostile indignation in non-christians.

...

Phase 5 or 6 or so: Bask in the workers paradise where there is no military, and FREE healthcare reigns supreme! And where all the capitalist pig-dogs rot in hell where they belong.

 

[mAlice]

precisely my point.

I understand your beliefs...I think

You live your life off of morality correct?

That is fine and dandy, I'm all for it...BUT...when you attempt to say there is not a god, but yet cannot explain HOW the universe can exist without one, you are in the same exact boat as the people who say we must have been created by a god, and again give no explanation.

"All questions were once spiritual. Since the beginning of time, spirituality and religion have been called on to fill in the gaps that science did not understand. The rising and setting of the sun was once attributed to Helios and a flaming chariot. Earthquakes and tidal waves were the wrath of Poseidon. Science has now proven those gods to be false idols. Soon all gods will be proven to be false idols. Science has now provided answers to almost every question man can ask. There are only a few questions left and they are the esoteric ones. Where do we come from? What are we doing here? What is the meaning of life and the universe?"

 

[nhboy]

...Uncle Matter and Whatsa Matter?

What about the Mad Hatter.....

 

[theArtistFormerlyKnownAs]

O, and to answer the initial question...

Yes, athiests can be just as fit parents as someone with an organized religion.

I feel that as long as either party allows their kids to be open to make their own beliefs then they are equal, but if either one forces their kid to follow their own beliefs...then that parent is failing in that aspect of parenting.

 

[mAlice]

If there is ever a reason for me to believe in a god, I'll certainly take it into consideration. So far, I've seen no reason to believe.

 

[Larry Gude]

Nope...

I'm not up on the war so please bear with me. Could it be said that the secessionists did not trust or even know how to manipulate the existing political system in order to gain their objective? If so, it would seem that they had no real choice other than to fight. What's your take on this?

...not a chance. Among the secessionist were some of the greatest thinkers, statesmen and leaders in our nations history. The basic fundamental problem was the 'new money' men of the deep South who were making fortunes off of slavery and cotton. They were aggressive, proud and the kind of people who would rather fight than switch. They knew that slavery, their riches, were at risk if slavery could not expand into the new territories as simply property. They wanted to make a stand.

To compound them was the state of South Carolina, home of the most toweringly proud, aristocratic, arrogant and impatient people in the universe.

The last straw was the common man and his affinity for his state. Where She went, he went.

To be sure, Northerners agitated these fears and caused plenty of friction but, at the end of the day, it's awful tough for me to take exception with people who hated slavery.

 

[Larry Gude]

Doesn't...

What about the Mad Hatter.....

...matter.

 

[theArtistFormerlyKnownAs]

"All questions were once spiritual. Since the beginning of time, spirituality and religion have been called on to fill in the gaps that science did not understand. The rising and setting of the sun was once attributed to Helios and a flaming chariot. Earthquakes and tidal waves were the wrath of Poseidon. Science has now proven those gods to be false idols. Soon all gods will be proven to be false idols. Science has now provided answers to almost every question man can ask. There are only a few questions left and they are the esoteric ones. Where do we come from? What are we doing here? What is the meaning of life and the universe?"

right.

and currently, the only explanation of that I can believe is that SOME greater being had to have created at least the CONDITIONS and initial elements of the universe. After those have been created, everything else can be explained...but until somebody can successfully create some form of matter or antimatter in a vaccum with no outside influence...in my mind, there must be a greater being that exists.

that doesn't mean heaven exists...nor hell...nor any rewards or punishments after death. Those are made up by religion. could they exist, sure...but nobody knows.

the only thing that we know now is that we are born, live our life, and die at some point at which our bodies shut down. If a "soul" exists and anything happens to it before/after death, then that is something that we will only realize after death. Personally, I'll take my way of life, living off of my own morality and at least believing in a god, because what is it hurting? If there is a god and there just so happens to be an "afterlife", then at least you have believed in it and you might just be lucky enough to be rewarded. If there isn't, at least you didn't devote your life to a man-made religion...you lived off of your own beliefs and morals.

:shrug:

 

[Xaquin44]

It's turtles all the way down.