Can I vent? (my vacation)

jaclyn

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Hi all..just wanted to get some input, and see if anyone feels that my anger is warrented.

Last week, my family and I went on a camping trip. My children are both girls, 12yrs and 8yrs. Along with us, came my friend and her 2 children. Her oldest girl is 13, and her youngest boy is 17 months. He happens to be my godson. The baby is usually such a good baby. I swear I dont think I've ever heard him cry...BEFORE the trip that is!

We rented a cabin. We did not "rough it" by any means. Indoor plumbing, kitchen, shower, High Def. Tv, hottub etc..I'll tell ya, it was nicer than my own damn house, lol.

Anyway, on to the venting. My "friend" really showed her colors this week. I guess you never really know someone, until you spend a week with them. The things she would allow her children to do, shocked me. For instance, one morning around 5am..I hear her get up. I assume the baby woke her. She went into the bathroom, him in tow, and proceeded to let him take the cast iron lock, that was detachable from the door, and bang it on the porcelain sink! The banging lasted long enough, that I got out of bed, to see what the hell was going on. Only, when I called through the door " whats going on", did the banging stop. There were other times that she handed him the remote to the TV, and let him throw it all over the cabin...gave him cookies for breakfast, and didnt even attempt to clean up the crumbs. I saw her at one point brush the crumbs, with her feet, under the couch.

I cooked EVERY meal. Breakfast, lunch and dinner. Not that I minded, because I knew she doesnt cook. Thats fine. But, how about a little help with the dishes?

Once the crying and whining got to be enough, my hubby and I went outside...for a little peace and quiet. Well, here she comes, bringing the baby outside. Once the whining and crying started there, hubby and I went inside. Guess who followed?

I tried helping her with him, because usually he is attached to me at the hip anyway (and I love it)..but she would get pissed off when he was with me, and not crying, and snatch him away..only to get him upset again. I never understood that. I heard her at one point late at night, throw him in the pack-n-play, and tell him " Your really starting to F-in piss me off now". So, I went out there, and tried to calm him.

All I heard from her all week, is how this was such a waste of her money, and how she shouldnt have come. Her mother (who she lives with) offered to keep the baby for her, many times before she left. But she refused. All the times my hubby and I tried to help with him, and keep him occupied, she seemed to get an aditude about it. I've never seen her act this way before.

Well, the day before we left..my girls, and her daughter made friends with the boys in the next cabin. It was a relief actually, as they were all started to get a little tired of eachother. Her daughter comes in the cabin, and tells her mom, that she is going to go play football with the boys. Instead of my friend saying "ok"..she says.." you better get in there and get all sexed up first". WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?! Ugh!

The morning we were due to leave, the cabin needed to be cleaned. They charge a cleaning fee, if its not. So, my hubby carrys EVERYTHING out to the cars, himself, while I am scrubbing the bathroom and kitchen. Where is my friend? Outside sitting on the picnic table, offering no help! She pawns that baby off on her 13 yr old any other time, but this time made it a point to stay as far away from "work" as possible. We had coolers of food, that my hubby could have used a little help with, carrying down the stairs..and she sat there, and just watched. Pitiful.

I never really said anything, about any of this, while we were on our trip...things were bad enough, and I didnt want to add any more tension to the house.

The only time I said something, is when she would go outside cussing, and acting like pure trash..when other people were outside.

My question is...should I just get over it...be mad at myself for setting up this trip...or bring all of this to her attention?
 

Nanny Pam

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Hi all..just wanted to get some input, and see if anyone feels that my anger is warrented.

Last week, my family and I went on a camping trip. My children are both girls, 12yrs and 8yrs. Along with us, came my friend and her 2 children. Her oldest girl is 13, and her youngest boy is 17 months. He happens to be my godson. The baby is usually such a good baby. I swear I dont think I've ever heard him cry...BEFORE the trip that is!

We rented a cabin. We did not "rough it" by any means. Indoor plumbing, kitchen, shower, High Def. Tv, hottub etc..I'll tell ya, it was nicer than my own damn house, lol.

Anyway, on to the venting. My "friend" really showed her colors this week. I guess you never really know someone, until you spend a week with them. The things she would allow her children to do, shocked me. For instance, one morning around 5am..I hear her get up. I assume the baby woke her. She went into the bathroom, him in tow, and proceeded to let him take the cast iron lock, that was detachable from the door, and bang it on the porcelain sink! The banging lasted long enough, that I got out of bed, to see what the hell was going on. Only, when I called through the door " whats going on", did the banging stop. There were other times that she handed him the remote to the TV, and let him throw it all over the cabin...gave him cookies for breakfast, and didnt even attempt to clean up the crumbs. I saw her at one point brush the crumbs, with her feet, under the couch.

I cooked EVERY meal. Breakfast, lunch and dinner. Not that I minded, because I knew she doesnt cook. Thats fine. But, how about a little help with the dishes?

Once the crying and whining got to be enough, my hubby and I went outside...for a little peace and quiet. Well, here she comes, bringing the baby outside. Once the whining and crying started there, hubby and I went inside. Guess who followed?

I tried helping her with him, because usually he is attached to me at the hip anyway (and I love it)..but she would get pissed off when he was with me, and not crying, and snatch him away..only to get him upset again. I never understood that. I heard her at one point late at night, throw him in the pack-n-play, and tell him " Your really starting to F-in piss me off now". So, I went out there, and tried to calm him.

All I heard from her all week, is how this was such a waste of her money, and how she shouldnt have come. Her mother (who she lives with) offered to keep the baby for her, many times before she left. But she refused. All the times my hubby and I tried to help with him, and keep him occupied, she seemed to get an aditude about it. I've never seen her act this way before.

Well, the day before we left..my girls, and her daughter made friends with the boys in the next cabin. It was a relief actually, as they were all started to get a little tired of eachother. Her daughter comes in the cabin, and tells her mom, that she is going to go play football with the boys. Instead of my friend saying "ok"..she says.." you better get in there and get all sexed up first". WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?! Ugh!

The morning we were due to leave, the cabin needed to be cleaned. They charge a cleaning fee, if its not. So, my hubby carrys EVERYTHING out to the cars, himself, while I am scrubbing the bathroom and kitchen. Where is my friend? Outside sitting on the picnic table, offering no help! She pawns that baby off on her 13 yr old any other time, but this time made it a point to stay as far away from "work" as possible. We had coolers of food, that my hubby could have used a little help with, carrying down the stairs..and she sat there, and just watched. Pitiful.

I never really said anything, about any of this, while we were on our trip...things were bad enough, and I didnt want to add any more tension to the house.

The only time I said something, is when she would go outside cussing, and acting like pure trash..when other people were outside.

My question is...should I just get over it...be mad at myself for setting up this trip...or bring all of this to her attention?

There is no doubt in my mind what I'd do....now that the vacation is over.

I'd go over to her house, not on the phone, and I would tell her not to expect any future offers of spending any vacation time together EVER again. Then spell out each and every thing you just told us. Ask her how she'd like it if you did that to her!
Jesus! I hope you learned your lesson. Vacation time is supposed to be "down" time for you and the family. It sounds to me like you came home for your vacation. :shrug:
 

SoMDGirl42

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How dispensable is your friend? If you really don't care if you're friends anymore, tell her what an ass she was. If you want to continue the friendship, don't say anything and realize this vacation was a first and a last that you'll take with her, lesson learned.
 

Nanny Pam

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How dispensable is your friend? If you really don't care if you're friends anymore, tell her what an ass she was. If you want to continue the friendship, don't say anything and realize this vacation was a first and a last that you'll take with her, lesson learned.

Just make a vow to yourself that next summer you will enjoy a vacation with just your own family without the friend.

yeah, but why let her off the hook so easily? What kind of "friend" was she?

If she had a lick of sense, she wouldn't have acted that way.
 

morningbell

hmmmmmm
I'm sorry about your vacation. Just what Nanny said, she needs to know what the problem was. Don't bottle that stuff up. :huggy:
 

jaclyn

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Her and I have been friends for over 12 yrs. I broke things off with her about 5 yrs ago, and we didnt talk for that long. It's just when she had her baby, that we ran into eachother at a mutual friends bday party, that we started talking again. Up until the trip, things were fine. We took the kids to the zoo, circus, beach etc...even had them over for the night. NEVER did I expect anything like this to happen on the trip.
The baby usually goes to bed at 7pm. So, when planning the trip, we thought that we would do things with the kids during the day, and then when she put him down to bed, the adults would enjoy some drinks, and hottub. Well, I guess because he was in a different enviornment, he didnt get to bed until almost midnight. By that time, hubby and I were in bed...river activities seem to tire you out by the end of the day. We would hear her out there yelling and making comments on how she finally got him to bed, and now everyone else is sleeping. I would take the older kids outside around 7...so she could try to get him to sleep, without all that noise..but as soon as she saw us all go outside, here she comes with baby and bottle. lol.
Obviously, she doesn't think she has done anything wrong. She has continued to call me after the trip..I havent answered yet, because I'm still pissed..and want to make sure I handle things correctly.
Trust me...I LEARNED A LESSON! I was a fool to think that this would be a relaxing trip. I've already booked the cabin again for next summer...just the 4 of us.
 

lovinmaryland

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Hi all..just wanted to get some input, and see if anyone feels that my anger is warrented.

Last week, my family and I went on a camping trip. My children are both girls, 12yrs and 8yrs. Along with us, came my friend and her 2 children. Her oldest girl is 13, and her youngest boy is 17 months. He happens to be my godson. The baby is usually such a good baby. I swear I dont think I've ever heard him cry...BEFORE the trip that is!

We rented a cabin. We did not "rough it" by any means. Indoor plumbing, kitchen, shower, High Def. Tv, hottub etc..I'll tell ya, it was nicer than my own damn house, lol.

Anyway, on to the venting. My "friend" really showed her colors this week. I guess you never really know someone, until you spend a week with them. The things she would allow her children to do, shocked me. For instance, one morning around 5am..I hear her get up. I assume the baby woke her. She went into the bathroom, him in tow, and proceeded to let him take the cast iron lock, that was detachable from the door, and bang it on the porcelain sink! The banging lasted long enough, that I got out of bed, to see what the hell was going on. Only, when I called through the door " whats going on", did the banging stop. There were other times that she handed him the remote to the TV, and let him throw it all over the cabin...gave him cookies for breakfast, and didnt even attempt to clean up the crumbs. I saw her at one point brush the crumbs, with her feet, under the couch.

I cooked EVERY meal. Breakfast, lunch and dinner. Not that I minded, because I knew she doesnt cook. Thats fine. But, how about a little help with the dishes?

Once the crying and whining got to be enough, my hubby and I went outside...for a little peace and quiet. Well, here she comes, bringing the baby outside. Once the whining and crying started there, hubby and I went inside. Guess who followed?

I tried helping her with him, because usually he is attached to me at the hip anyway (and I love it)..but she would get pissed off when he was with me, and not crying, and snatch him away..only to get him upset again. I never understood that. I heard her at one point late at night, throw him in the pack-n-play, and tell him " Your really starting to F-in piss me off now". So, I went out there, and tried to calm him.

All I heard from her all week, is how this was such a waste of her money, and how she shouldnt have come. Her mother (who she lives with) offered to keep the baby for her, many times before she left. But she refused. All the times my hubby and I tried to help with him, and keep him occupied, she seemed to get an aditude about it. I've never seen her act this way before.

Well, the day before we left..my girls, and her daughter made friends with the boys in the next cabin. It was a relief actually, as they were all started to get a little tired of eachother. Her daughter comes in the cabin, and tells her mom, that she is going to go play football with the boys. Instead of my friend saying "ok"..she says.." you better get in there and get all sexed up first". WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?! Ugh!

The morning we were due to leave, the cabin needed to be cleaned. They charge a cleaning fee, if its not. So, my hubby carrys EVERYTHING out to the cars, himself, while I am scrubbing the bathroom and kitchen. Where is my friend? Outside sitting on the picnic table, offering no help! She pawns that baby off on her 13 yr old any other time, but this time made it a point to stay as far away from "work" as possible. We had coolers of food, that my hubby could have used a little help with, carrying down the stairs..and she sat there, and just watched. Pitiful.

I never really said anything, about any of this, while we were on our trip...things were bad enough, and I didnt want to add any more tension to the house.

The only time I said something, is when she would go outside cussing, and acting like pure trash..when other people were outside.

My question is...should I just get over it...be mad at myself for setting up this trip...or bring all of this to her attention?


That sucks you didnt have a good vacation. My suggestion would be that next time you and her are alone together I would bring up the vacation. Ask her if how she thinks it went. Then I would tell her how it didnt go as well as you had hoped bringing up the main key points that you were frustrated about.

You live and learn. I have taken a lot of vacations w/ friends or family and I always have a much more relaxing enjoyable time alone. Everyone raises their children differently, and have their little annoying habits (even me) so keep that in mind when you speak w/ her :huggy:
 

jaclyn

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Should I comment on how my hubby had to fish a diaper out of the river, where the kids were swimming...because she was too lazy to walk it to the cabin? Nah...
 

jaclyn

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Yeah, I know people raise their kids differently. Even I do things, that people would consider annoying. But, I can tell you..that when I am with another couple, or family, I try to keep my girls well behaved..and certainly, I woud help clean up the mess, that my kids made. I wouldnt take a plate that I ate off of..and hand it to someone else, to wash.
 

Gigi22

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Boy, don't we all have "friends" like that. It is a shame that your family vacation was ruined. But, you know what, it is done and over and you cannot go back and change a darn thing. Just remember this. I think you should find the right time and then let her know that she ruined the trip and that you learned a lesson and that you will never ask anyone to go on your family vacations again. Hope she had fun (which it sounded like she didn't enjoy it anyway) because she taught you a lesson you won't soon forget. If she really is your friend she will say she is sorry and understand and if she gets mad then so long and good riddens...

We are taking a camping trip with some of our friends for our vacation this year. We all have our own campers though. No kids. I hope it goes well for us. We all travel together and it has always been good.. Guess we are lucky...

Best of luck to you and do what feels right to you.. You will know when the time is right to bring the subject up or to decide it is really worth the grief to get yourself all worked up again...
 

Sharon

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Her and I have been friends for over 12 yrs.


...never really said anything, about any of this, while we were on our trip...


My question is...should I just get over it...be mad at myself for setting up this trip...or bring all of this to her attention?


Get over it - but don't be mad at yourself. It's too late to bring it to her attention. You should've been adult enough to speak to her when it all went down. If you do it now you'd just be complaining to a deaf ear and sound like a whiner.
 

morningbell

hmmmmmm
Should I comment on how my hubby had to fish a diaper out of the river, where the kids were swimming...because she was too lazy to walk it to the cabin? Nah...

She tossed it in the river?!
:smack: her for me, k? Thats just dumb. She is trashy, stop hanging out with her.
 

poster

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Well, the day before we left..my girls, and her daughter made friends with the boys in the next cabin. It was a relief actually, as they were all started to get a little tired of eachother. Her daughter comes in the cabin, and tells her mom, that she is going to go play football with the boys. Instead of my friend saying "ok"..she says.." you better get in there and get all sexed up first". WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?! Ugh!

That right there would be it for me, I'd have spoke up on that one.
Don't know what I'd have said but it wouldn't have been pretty.
I wouldn't encourage my kids to spend time with her. If she felt that could be said in front of you, what are your kids hearing when you're not there??

Unfortunately you can't control others and everybody is different. I'd let it go and just mark it as lesson learned. At this point I'd limit my time with her and just move on. Sounds like you're a nice person, stay that way, these are her problems not yours. Telling her off is just going to bring you to her level and will get you nothing in return.

We've gone on vacations with friends and had similar experiences, we just don't ask them back. We've also learned NEVER let someone come for the whole week. Offer only the amount of days your willing to share, say Sat - Mon, then you can salvage some of your vacation if all doesn't go well.
 
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jaclyn

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That right there would be it for me, I'd have spoke up on that one.
Don't know what I'd have said but it wouldn't have been pretty.
I wouldn't encourage my kids to spend time with her. If she felt that could be said in front of you, what are your kids hearing when you're not there??

Unfortunately you can't control others and everybody is different. I'd let it go and just mark it as lesson learned. At this point I'd limit my time with her and just move on. Sounds like you're a nice person, stay that way, these are her problems not yours. Telling her off is just going to bring you to her level and will get you nothing in return.

We've gone on vacations with friends and had similar experiences, we just don't ask them back. We've also learned NEVER let someone come for the whole week. Offer only the amount of days your willing to share, say Sat - Mon, then you can salvage some of your vacation if all doesn't go well.

I did say something about that comment, but not to her. I told MY daughter, who was standing right there, that if she wanted to go play football, that was fine, but I would be standing right on the porch watching. My 12 yr old has just started expressing interest in boys..I swear last month she still thought they were "yucky", I told her that boys don't like girls who act trashy. They asked them to play football, because they needed more players, not a girlfriend.
I should be honest here, and say, that having known this friend for 12 yrs, I knew that she did and said things in front of her daughter, that I didnt see as appropriate. I've mentioned to her, that obviously our parenting skills are different.
I dont want to sound like a whiner, which I think I am starting to. I guess I'm just more shocked than anything. I paid for this cabin 6 months in advance..and everyday I woke up, I was looking forward to it being one day closer to our vacation. I guess I set me expectations too high. It was the first time we have traveled/vacationed with other people...and it made me realize how nice it is just going with your own family. Either that, or pick who comes with you, more carefully.
 

jaclyn

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I dont know what it is about me...I can rip you up one side and down the other, on the phone, email or letter..but when it comes to saying something to someone in person..I chicken out. Unless I dont know the person, then its on!
I think my problem was, I didnt want to make things worse, by pointing anything out. Especially when I was SURE she knew what she was doing, and KNEW that my hubby and I were pissed.
Lesson learned..and thanks so much for all the advice.
 
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